Hertz Pottery on mon 5 aug 96
Hi all My replacement for albany slip is not as close to true albany slip as
id like. I fire a soaked ^8 true albany fired under my base white is mottled
with lots of blue and purple tones as well as tans,yellows, browns ect. the
replacement althought cheap does not mottle so much the colors tend to run
together, also the brown when fired alone is not as rich and dark as true
albany id like to find one that is closer to true albany slip . right now I
mix true albany slip with the replacement to get a simmilar result but I
only have about 75 lbs of the real thing left.
I wonder if any one out there has a recipe they would like to share with me?
thanks
Erik Hertz
erik hertz
Bob Kavanagh on tue 6 aug 96
In his book The Magic of Fire (Medicine Hat, Alberta: IMC Printing, 1995),
Tony Hansen, the author of the computer glaze program Insight, wrote a
small section on Albany and Alberta slips. The one is not a direct
replacement for the other but he has guidelines on how to work toward
an appropriate replacement. he is at thansen@MLC.awinc.com.
Kirk Morrison on thu 3 oct 96
I am out of Albany Slip, and I need a good substitute, does anyone
know of the formula published a while back in Cermanics Monthly or
something similar? Any help, will definitely be appreciated.
Kirk
Pat Harden&Brooks Ratledge on mon 4 nov 96
CM OCTOBER 1988 ALBANY RECIPES FOLLOW - ALL AMOUNTS ARE PERCENTAGES
SYNTHETIC ALBANY SLIP 1 SYNTHETIC ALBANY SLIP 2
DOLOMITE 8.5 DOLOMITE 9
PEARL ASH 4.0 SODA ASH 1
SODA ASH 1.0 CEDAR HEIGHTS RED ART 90
UNWASHED SOFTWOOD ASH 10.5
KEN. BALL CLAY,OM4 50.0
FLINT 20.0
RED IRON OXIDE 6.0
SYNTHETIC ALBANY SLIP 3
DOLOMITE 9
SODA ASH 1
CEDAR HEIGHTS REDART TERRA SIGILLITA 90
ANOTHER ALBANY SUB
DOLOMITE .94
SODA ASH .38
WHITING 4.25
CEDAR HEIGHTS REDART CLAY 94.43
Andrew & Laura Conley on thu 11 sep 97
Does anyone know where I can purchase albany slip for some glaze tests?
One advertiser in Ceramics Monthly has no more left...
Thanks,
Laura
Sue Davis on fri 12 sep 97
Most Ceramics supply companies are using a substitute, man-made Albany slip
as the real stuff has been mined out years ago. Keeps us aware of how we are
stripping our Mother Earth. Minnesota Clay, (think it's now called Midwest
Clay) A.R.T. in Chicago are just a few places to start.
Liz Dodge on fri 12 sep 97
a while ago Elenora Eden listed a source for Albany slip clay. It was
somewhere on the est coast and only sold it in rather large quantities. look
for a reposting from Elenora.
Liz Dodge in Berkeley
Karl P. Platt on sat 13 sep 97
> Albany slip ...the real stuff has been mined out years ago. Keeps us
> aware of how we are stripping our Mother Earth.
Let's see.... The deposit of Albany Slip clay comprised something like
0.000000000033% of the surface area of the US and by transforming the
soil located on that spot untold millions of homes were made more
graceful or functional through the use of the glaze it produced. Here
we're being told this suggests some sort of debauchery by someone who
apparently believes that a substitute made from materials deriving from
various and far-flung holes in the ground is somehow more benign. Hard
to figure, but who's to blame for reciting what they saw on a
television.
There's a marvellous substitute for Albany Slip clay here in Santa
Catarina I'd be happy to pack and ship to anyone who wants to buy a
container load.
Regards,
KPP
Andrew & Laura Conley on sat 13 sep 97
Thank you to everyone who has responded to my inquiry. I should have
mentioned that I am also ordering alberta slip and several companies'
albany slip substitutes, as well as trying to make my own (because I
want to find the best albany slip substitute), and I need the albany
slip for comparisons. Hopefully I will find some. I may have... I'll
let you all know in case someone else needs it too.
Laura
Ardis Bourland on sun 14 sep 97
KPP, how do we get that albany slip substitute??
Grimmer on sun 14 sep 97
> > Albany slip ...the real stuff has been mined out years ago. Keeps us
> > aware of how we are stripping our Mother Earth.
>
> There's a marvellous substitute for Albany Slip clay here in Santa
> Catarina I'd be happy to pack and ship to anyone who wants to buy a
> container load.
>
> Regards,
>
> KPP
It's not so much that the Albany slip was 'mined out,' so much as the
mine became commercially unviable due to encroachment by the city of
Albany, NY, and, perhaps, changing tastes and technology with respect
to glaze formulations. Anyone with a shovel and some determination can
go to the Albany area and dig all the slip one would want. Be sure to put
the sod back. :-)
As far as substitutes go, there is Alberta Slip, produced by Plainsman
Clays. Supposed to be real good, but maybe expensive compared to other
red clays. One can formulate great slip glazes using redart et al, you just
gotta use more flux and glass formers. And its cheap.
steve grimmer
marion illinois
Eleanora Eden on sun 14 sep 97
Trudy Litto still has alot of albany and welcomes inquiries.
Trudy Litto
The Great American Wheel Works
New Baltimore, NY 12124
518-756-2368
At 07:04 AM 9/11/97 EDT, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Does anyone know where I can purchase albany slip for some glaze tests?
> One advertiser in Ceramics Monthly has no more left...
>
>Thanks,
>Laura
>
>
Eleanora Eden 802 869-2003
Paradise Hill
Bellows Falls, VT 05101 eden@sover.net
Gary Hill on mon 5 oct 98
Is there anyone out there who would be able to send me a 100 gram or
larger sample of this slip. During my researches of local clays I have
found a large quantity of a clay that may have close similarities. I am
looking at doing an in-depth study of the chemistry, mineralogy and
physical characteristics of the Albany slip. Also any past test results of
a similar nature as a comparison would be appreciated.
I would be quite happy to relay the results of my findings to anyone
willing to assist.
Thanking you in advance
Gary R Hill
6 Green St
California Gully
Victoria 3556
Australia.
Ph 61 (03) 54467409
E:mail ghil2@students.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au
Fax 61 (03) 54447953
carrie or peter jacobson on sun 5 dec 99
Hello, all: The community studio where I work has just received a gift of
several boxes of many smaller boxes of materials. Among them is a good
amount of Albany slip.
I've never used it, nor, frankly, paid much attention to recipes with it,
since I was told early on that you can't get it any more.
So, does anyone have any really lovely glazes that depend on Albany slip?
We fire cone 6 oxidation.
The boxes also contain a number of little boxes of lead. Can I -- and
should I -- simply toss these?
Thanks,
Carrie
Carrie Jacobson
Pawcatuck, CT
mailto:jacobson@brainiac.com
Carol Seidman on tue 7 dec 99
Hi Carrie: I had a similar "gift" of toxic chemicals a while back. I
called my local recycling center and told them what I had. They told me
of their "Hazardous materials collection day" where I was able to
responsibly dispose of unwanted chemicals. Carol Seidman
carrie or peter jacobson wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Hello, all: The community studio where I work has just received a gift of
> several boxes of many smaller boxes of materials. Among them is a good
> amount of Albany slip.
>
> I've never used it, nor, frankly, paid much attention to recipes with it,
> since I was told early on that you can't get it any more.
>
> So, does anyone have any really lovely glazes that depend on Albany slip?
> We fire cone 6 oxidation.
>
> The boxes also contain a number of little boxes of lead. Can I -- and
> should I -- simply toss these?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carrie
>
> Carrie Jacobson
> Pawcatuck, CT
> mailto:jacobson@brainiac.com
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WHew536674@cs.com on wed 8 dec 99
Carrie,
I have 3 slip recipes and 2 glaze (cone 6) recipes that use Albany slip. If
you want to try them out, you can contact me off list, and I will send them
to you. About the lead....that is up to you. I also have some old cone 04
glazes that call for white lead, and 4 old Raku glazes that call for white or
red lead. If you use it, take the usual precautions, mask and gloves and do
not eat or drink from it, decorative pieces.
Joyce A
Whew536674@cs.com
Judith I. Marvin on sun 9 dec 01
Unpacking my "clay stuff" after nine years in storage was like Christmas
morning. I retired from the Foreign Service four years ago and live in
beautiful (albiet quite snowy right now) north Idaho. Almost every thing
was in excellent shape--the only rusty thing is ME. Have been back to
"slinging mud" as my husband calls it and feel like I'm making progress.
Upon unpacking I discovered a gallon jar of Albany slip. None of the glaze
recipes I have calls for it so I'm wondering how it is used and if any one
out there might have a recipe or two that calls for it. Don't find it in
any book I have nor have I seen it mentioned in CM. Have set up some tests
tiles with it in both wet and dry state but don't have a kiln load yet.
Also, a hump mold I recently made is covered with little pink and lavender
spots. I'm guessing that its mold (as in mildew). Will this ruin the mold
(as in hump)? How can I get rid of it? Enough. Thanks jm
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MartinDEpstein on sun 9 dec 01
What temperature are you firing to? I think albany slip makes a glaze by=
itself at cone 9 or 10. bun I'm not 100% sure. I also think I remember a=
very simple glaze called Rhodes Black that is probably in the book "Clay
and Glazes fora the Potter" by Daniel Rhodes. =
DEBBYGrant@AOL.COM on sun 9 dec 01
Hi Judith,
It just so happens that I have been hoarding Albany slip. I generally fire
to ^10 oxidation and 100% Albany with 5% cobalt makes a wonderful
blue slip that can be used on both green ware and bisque. It also works
at ^5-6. I also have a wonderful Tenmoku based on Albany as well as
a shiny black glaze. This particular Tenmoku is actually better in
oxidation than reduction. And yes, all by itself Albany is a glaze at ^9-10.
It's a beanpot brown. You don't really have very much so I would advise
you to save it for making blue and black slips.
Best,
Debby Grant in NH
Snail Scott on sun 9 dec 01
At 12:37 AM 12/9/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Upon unpacking I discovered a gallon jar of Albany slip. None of the glaze
>recipes I have calls for it so I'm wondering how it is used and if any one
>out there might have a recipe or two that calls for it...
Oooh, baby!!!
It's a fabulous brown glaze all by its lonesome at ^10.
At ^6, mixed with other stuff, it forms the base of a
whole bunch of nifty slip-glazes - some of my favorites!
If you are one-shot firing, it's a great glaze base.
I've got some ^6 recipes for it if you're interested.
They closed the mine a few years ago, and built a sub-
division on top of it, so the stuff is very tough to get.
Many people have turned to substitutes, and I find that
Alberta slip is pretty good for me, but I'll bet you get
a few offers for the last of the 'real thing'!
-Snail
Judith I. Marvin on sun 9 dec 01
Debby - Thanks so very much. If you're willing to share your recipes (slip
and tenmoku and black) I'l love to have them. Thanks for your generous
answer.
judithimarvin@hotmail.com
'
>From: DEBBYGrant@AOL.COM
>Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: albany slip
>Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:26:14 EST
>
>Hi Judith,
>
>It just so happens that I have been hoarding Albany slip. I generally fire
>to ^10 oxidation and 100% Albany with 5% cobalt makes a wonderful
>blue slip that can be used on both green ware and bisque. It also works
>at ^5-6. I also have a wonderful Tenmoku based on Albany as well as
>a shiny black glaze. This particular Tenmoku is actually better in
>oxidation than reduction. And yes, all by itself Albany is a glaze at
>^9-10.
>It's a beanpot brown. You don't really have very much so I would advise
>you to save it for making blue and black slips.
>
>Best,
>
>Debby Grant in NH
>
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Charles Moore on sun 9 dec 01
Judith,
Richard Zakin's "Electric Kiln Ceramics" (first edition) has a few Albany
Slip recipes.
Need them?
Charles Moore
Sacramento, CA
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Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 9:37 PM
Subject: albany slip
Millie Carpenter on sun 9 dec 01
is barnard slip similar to albany? I have some of that.
Millie in Md.
Snail Scott wrote:
> At 12:37 AM 12/9/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >Upon unpacking I discovered a gallon jar of Albany slip. None of the glaze
> >recipes I have calls for it so I'm wondering how it is used and if any one
> >out there might have a recipe or two that calls for it...
>
> Oooh, baby!!!
>
> It's a fabulous brown glaze all by its lonesome at ^10.
> At ^6, mixed with other stuff, it forms the base of a
> whole bunch of nifty slip-glazes - some of my favorites!
> If you are one-shot firing, it's a great glaze base.
>
> I've got some ^6 recipes for it if you're interested.
>
> They closed the mine a few years ago, and built a sub-
> division on top of it, so the stuff is very tough to get.
> Many people have turned to substitutes, and I find that
> Alberta slip is pretty good for me, but I'll bet you get
> a few offers for the last of the 'real thing'!
>
> -Snail
>
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DEBBYGrant@AOL.COM on mon 10 dec 01
Hi Judith,
The recipe for blue slip is very simple: 100% Albany + 5% Cobalt for
medium blue or 10% cobalt for dark blue.
Black slip: 90% Albany
3% Potash Spar
1% Cobalt Carb
2% Manganese Oxide
2% Green Chrome Oxide
2% Red Iron Oxide
Both of these shoul work at ^6.
The Tenmoku is a ^9 glaze but maybe you can adjust it for ^6, probably
by increasing the Neph.Sy. and reducing the Barnard. Do some testing
on your own or ask one of the glaze gurus.
2% Whiting
80% Albany
10% Barnard
8% Nepheling Syenite
Good luck,
Debby Grant in NH
Judith I. Marvin on mon 10 dec 01
Thank you very much Debby. Off to the studio to do some testing. Clay folk
are SO generous. Regards. Judith
>From: DEBBYGrant@AOL.COM
>Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: albany slip
>Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:17:56 EST
>
>Hi Judith,
>
>The recipe for blue slip is very simple: 100% Albany + 5% Cobalt for
>medium blue or 10% cobalt for dark blue.
>
>Black slip: 90% Albany
> 3% Potash Spar
> 1% Cobalt Carb
> 2% Manganese Oxide
> 2% Green Chrome Oxide
> 2% Red Iron Oxide
>
>Both of these shoul work at ^6.
>
>The Tenmoku is a ^9 glaze but maybe you can adjust it for ^6, probably
>by increasing the Neph.Sy. and reducing the Barnard. Do some testing
>on your own or ask one of the glaze gurus.
>
> 2% Whiting
>80% Albany
>10% Barnard
> 8% Nepheling Syenite
>
>Good luck,
>
>Debby Grant in NH
>
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Ron Roy on sun 16 dec 01
Not at all - Barnard has some manganese and a lot of iron - over 20%.
Albany has no manganese (toxic to the potter by the way) and only about 4.2%.
Very different - RR
>is barnard slip similar to albany? I have some of that.
>
>Millie in Md.
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Bruce Freund on thu 5 feb 04
Does any one know where I can purchase some Albany slip. I am running out of
quarters for the phone.
Please contact me direct.
Thank you so much,
bruce
Elly Dotseth on fri 6 feb 04
Yes I do. I have some that I have never used, probably about 40lbs. It's
still in the original bag. I asked for prices also from somebody else who
was advertizing in Cerqamics Monthly's Classified on line, and they sent me
what they charge for some that was left in a pile at a construction site in
NY after the original mine was filled in. They charge $4.50 a pound for a
minimum of 50 pounds. I would imagine the postage would be terrible! Where
do you live? --Elly
At 09:37 PM 2/5/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Does any one know where I can purchase some Albany slip. I am running out of
>quarters for the phone.
>
>Please contact me direct.
>
>Thank you so much,
>
>bruce
>
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tombieri@SONIC.NET on sat 15 apr 06
Hi There,
I noticed a thread on the net dated back to June of 02. Jeff Longtin was
trying to sell some albany slip.
Any chance he still has some for sale.
I am interested.
Cheers,
Tom Bieri
BJ Clark | Stinking Desert Ceramics on mon 17 apr 06
There was a classified add in the back of the latest Clay Times for someone
selling some. You might buy it and call them.
BJ Clark
Stinking Desert Ceramics
On 4/15/06, tombieri@sonic.net wrote:
>
> Hi There,
>
> I noticed a thread on the net dated back to June of 02. Jeff Longtin was
> trying to sell some albany slip.
>
> Any chance he still has some for sale.
>
> I am interested.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom Bieri
>
>
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John Britt on tue 18 apr 06
Trudy Litto sells Albany Slip.
1.518.756.2368
Hope it helps,
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
Mike Gordon on sat 7 nov 09
I don't remember seeing how much of the Albany clay the person had in
each batch. If it was a lot, 25 lbs., say, then I would follow Lili's
advice. If it was less I would combine all of it and test from there.
Mike Gordon
Lili Krakowski on sat 7 nov 09
Some days ago someone asked for "help" with Albany slip recipes.
He had gotten together a batch of AS from diverse sources and wished to =3D
use.
Fine. First, I hope they were not co-mingled. (A favorite word) AS, =3D
over the decades changed as mine runs changed, and I would keep them =3D
separate to be tested first. If they all are the same, mix them if you =3D
wish.
AS of course is a wondrous slip, never giving trouble. It works nicely =3D
as a slip proper, under diverse glazes, and as a glaze base.
In Ceramics Monthly May 1984 I published Albany Slip glazes of Hobart =3D
Cowles that were characterized by color change from what they were at =3D
c.6 to what they became refired at c.04.
In Pottery Making Illustrated Summer 2000 I published "Twice Fired =3D
Glazes" made with replacement of AS by modified RedArt. Again these are =
=3D
twice fired.
AS lends itself admirably to modification by the addition of fluxes. =3D
Bone Ash, calcium, magnesium, boron, and woodash all bring AS down to =3D
c.5 or 6, and with or without the addition of more iron, are very =3D
interesting. Other colorants of course can be tested.
I definitely would start with tests with 50%-75% AS and diverse fluxes. =
=3D
And I would test any and all recipes based on some red clay. =3D20
Right now I am messing around with replacing other clays in glazes by =3D
RedArt.
Having said which: I do not have a digital kiln, and so must leave the =3D
joys and surprises of coolings and holds to those who do. Good luck. I =
=3D
expect wonders....
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
Jess McKenzie on sat 7 nov 09
The following articles appeared in Glazes :
materials, recipes and techniques; American Ceramic
Society:
Hobart Cowles white glazes / by Lili Krakowski --
Hobart Cowles tan and brown glazes / by Lili
Krakowski --
Hobart Cowels blue and green glazes / by Lili
Krakowsk
Found the book at
Vancouver Island U Library--Nanaimo BC
Kitsap Regional Library--Bremerton WA
~joan and jess
Date sent: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:46:45 -0500
Send reply to: Lili Krakowski
From: Lili Krakowski
Subject: Albany slip
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Some days ago someone asked for "help" with Albany
slip recipes. .... [cut]
Mike Gordon on fri 22 oct 10
The Albany clay I use to use fired to a honey color almost like a clear
glaze. It took on the color of the clay it was fired on. I tested a
Barnard clay that by itself fired to a glossy chocolate brown. These
were fired to C/5-6 in a gas kiln, neutral atmosphere. Mike Gordon
dianamp@COMCAST.NET on sun 24 oct 10
Hi Clayart:
Our university studio still has quite a bit of Albany slip.
I have thought of selling small quantities, if anyone would be interested,
but I need to charge a reasonable pound price
(reasonable for both the buy and seller)
and I can't imagine what that amount would be,
considering we have stored it for 20 plus years!!
What do you think??
Thanks,
Diana Pancioli
Eastern Michigan University
dianamp@COMCAST.NET on wed 10 nov 10
Hi to all those who requested some slip,
or information about it.
I served on jury duty this week (still not over)
and am behind on my research into shipping costs.,
I will write you all as soon as I am able.
Thanks,
Diana
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