lihde@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu on tue 16 apr 96
In mythology and dream symbolism, blue is the color of the spirit. Blue
is the color of the sky- that's where heaven is. People are drawn to
blue because of it's meaning- even if they are unconscious of it. They
are likewise drawn to white- another powerfully symbolic color. White,
the absence of all color is a image of purity. (I think that in the far
east white was considered all colors!)
Leslie (potter/therapist) at Turning Point
Mary Petkovsek/Tivoli Systems on wed 17 apr 96
Hi,
More than just those in the far east consider white to be all colors -- white
light is a mixture of all colors of light. That's how rainbows happen -- the
prizm effect of water droplets (or cut crystal) breaks out the different colors
already present in light.
But I'm getting off the point...
Mary (in Austin where the weather is beautiful today)
lihde @ bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu
04/16/96 06:25 PM
To: CLAYART @ LSV.UKY.EDU (Multiple recipients of list CLAYART) @ Net
cc: (bcc: Mary Petkovsek/Tivoli Systems)
Subject: blue
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
In mythology and dream symbolism, blue is the color of the spirit. Blue
is the color of the sky- that's where heaven is. People are drawn to
blue because of it's meaning- even if they are unconscious of it. They
are likewise drawn to white- another powerfully symbolic color. White,
the absence of all color is a image of purity. (I think that in the far
east white was considered all colors!)
Leslie (potter/therapist) at Turning Point
CaroleER@aol.com on wed 17 apr 96
When I was in school, white was all colors.
Carole Rishel
In a message dated 96-04-16 19:26:30 EDT, you write:
>White,
>the absence of all color is a image of purity. (I think that in the far
>east white was considered all colors!)
Karl David Knudson on thu 18 apr 96
On Wed, 17 Apr 1996 CaroleER@aol.com wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> When I was in school, white was all colors.
> Carole Rishel
>
> In a message dated 96-04-16 19:26:30 EDT, you write:
> >White,
> >the absence of all color is a image of purity. (I think that in the far
> >east white was considered all colors!)
It depends upon which standpoint you view them from. There are 2
catagories for colors and I'll be darned if I can think of them now.
Light colors were one catagory where white light was made of all colors
of light, the other was with regards to pigments where black was the
sum of all colors and white is the absense of color.
Karl in Eugene, Where his girlfriend is smart enough to find that the
catagories are "additive color mixture" (light) and "subtractive color
mixture" (pigments).
jetharrs@pacific.telebyte.net on thu 18 apr 96
Peggy Herr:
>Did you know that if you eat off a BLUE plate, bowl dish etc...that you
>eat LESS. Its a fact.
I once had a set of deep blue contacts. Couldn't figure out why
I felt slightly depressed and why none of the foods I was shopping for
looked appetizing. Swapped them for a greyed set.
Have you noticed how yellow some food commercials are on television?
Wonder how that translates into pot sales. Do sunset colors sell better in
the Southwest? Greens and blues in the Northwest?
(Aside--I know that a blue and white quilt will sell more raffle tickets
than any other color.)
Amy Kivnick on sun 12 sep 99
looking for a stable cone 10 blue glaze that will remain stable at cone 11.
glossy or waxy is fine. (not matte)
mel jacobson on sat 18 dec 99
been thinking about blue, don't want to talk of orange anymore.
blue is a tough one.
often harsh blue pots sell, but have an abrasive feel for potters.
i have solved the problem to a degree.
the addition of various amounts of chrome will cast the blue, from
harsh to a rather nice teal. (cone 10 reduction)
i can live very well with teal.
the same can be done with cone 6 electric...add a small amount
of copper to bright blue, and it teals up.
over the years i have sold a great deal of rhodes 32 with a blue glaze
just under the top layer of rhodes base.
the glaze just peeks through...it is still blue, but rather subtle.
there is always a series of compromises one has to make if you are
going to go into the market place. the customer has to be served,
or you starve. only so many pots can be stored under your bed, then
you have to get rid of them.
so look to layers of glaze, hide the blue, let it peak out.
use additions to blue to give it classy hues.
it works.
that is why we test.
not just the glaze.
the layers, the amounts of color.
far too many people get hung on the recipe.
work and adjust.
it helps.
mel/mn
just brought a baby computer (toshiba/libretto) back from the dead.(son in law
corrupts all he buys, then throws them away.)
it is now alive and kicking.
don't know why that makes me feel so good, but i do.
right brain/left brain....keeps us young.
http://www.pclink.com/melpots (website)
from minnetonka, minnesota, u.s.a.
Earl Brunner on wed 20 sep 00
Blue gets a bad rap because there is the idea that the
public will buy ANY thing if it is blue. Therefore you do
not have to be a good potter to sell if you make blue pots.
Therefore, if you make blue things you are doing it just to
sell things. (As if selling was something that potters
shouldn't do). I think its a flawed carryover from the art
vs. craft argument and lets please not go there.....
JJ Adams wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have subscribed to ClayArt off and on for about four years and the
> one thing everyone (who writes in, anyway) seems to agree on is how
> deplorable blue pottery is. Even those who have admitted making blue
> pots usually add they HAVE to for commercial reasons (which strikes me
> as a rather severe and unkind indictment of your customers who like
> blue.)
>
> I love blue. Blue is the color of the sky and water. Blue is soothing
> and comes in infinite shades and intensities. I have developed one blue
> glaze that is (better stop reading if you're squeamish) deep cobalt and
> has flow and texture that makes each piece unique. I have blues that
> break reddish brown; blues that overlap with white to create yet another
> shade of blue; blues that have depth and intensity. It has been a
> challenge to develop these blues. Luckily I started out on my own and
> had no idea of the extreme prejudice other potters have against blues.
> So if you are ever at a show and see a booth that has predominantly blue
> pots, it's probably me since noone else seems to use blue. I can
> probably recognize all of you real potters by the looks of horror on
> your faces. :)
>
> I love earthtones as well, but I do not see that they are any more
> valid or better than blue. I can certainly understand everyone having
> preferences; but why is blue not PC, ie pottery correct? I suppose I'm
> showing my ignorance and lack of an MFA by not understanding this
> seemingly universal truth: Blue pottery is bad.
>
> Jan - who loves almost all blue, except feeling blue.
>
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mel jacobson on thu 28 dec 00
well, it is all `mother in law blue`...not my best work.
it is snowing like mad here in minnesota, so i will not get
any pix for one hour until tomorrow. gonna show them
to whomever wants to see....gag ron roy...he won't even look.
(i used some old cobalt carb and i think it was some of that
weak crap. about 20 years old....it should have been navy with
what i put in. oh, well. back to the drawing board.`
mel
From:
Minnetonka, Minnesota, U.S.A.
web site: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
Millie Carpenter on thu 28 dec 00
what on earth is "mother in law blue" and why do I think that it is
not a compliment? here in Annapolis, Navy blue is amost black,
is that what you are trying for? If you are trying to get rid of
of them cause you don't like the color, bring them to NCECA,
I'll trade for your stuff.
Millie in MD going to go to the store for toilet paper, milk,
and eggs early tomorrow before they run out. Snow, maybe 4
inches is in our forecast, and I don't know if any of our three
4 wheel drives can make the mile drive to the grocery store ;>)
mel jacobson wrote:
> well, it is all `mother in law blue`...not my best work.
> it is snowing like mad here in minnesota, so i will not get
> any pix for one hour until tomorrow. gonna show them
> to whomever wants to see....gag ron roy...he won't even look.
> (i used some old cobalt carb and i think it was some of that
> weak crap. about 20 years old....it should have been navy with
> what i put in. oh, well. back to the drawing board.`
> mel
>
> From:
> Minnetonka, Minnesota, U.S.A.
> web site: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
>
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mel jacobson on wed 17 apr 02
ferg, take any glaze you like.
add 2 percent cobalt.
fire.
ugly blue.
you will love it in wood fire.
mel
From:
Minnetonka, Minnesota, U.S.A.
web site: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
artimater on wed 17 apr 02
I put a little cobalt in my water bowl and slipped a bunch of stuff for =
the last woodfire....I washed the slip off the tops of the carving and =
it all came out realy nice....blue white blue white blue white blue =
white all down the pieces with a little ash thrown in...I like em alot =
better than the ones I put flashing slip on too thick so it popped half =
off.....Shit! the claybody itself flashes just fine....Sometimes I'm =
such a fool.....Anyway, I was wondering if ya'll had any suggestions of =
other oxides that I could toss in my waterbowl with the cobalt and maybe =
get other colors.....Maybe just modify that dark blue just a little so =
it don't look quite so dark blue?...I don't really know what i'm looking =
for but I thought maybe some of ya'll had already been there done =
that??????
Rush
"I only indulge when I've seen a snake, so I keep a supply of =
indulgences and snakes handy"
http://artimator.com
rush@artimator.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/texasceramics/
Artimator Galleries
2420 Briarwood Ln.
Carrollton, TX 75006
972-841-1857
Roger Korn on wed 17 apr 02
2 percent is a lot! best to try a binary line blend: .25%, .5%, 1%, 2%, etc,
doubling each step. Results are sensitive to the base glaze composition, so
the
right amount of Cob Carb in one base glaze isn't necessarily right for
another base
glaze.
Roger
mel jacobson wrote:
> ferg, take any glaze you like.
> add 2 percent cobalt.
> fire.
> ugly blue.
>
> you will love it in wood fire.
> mel
> From:
> Minnetonka, Minnesota, U.S.A.
> web site: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
>
>
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Tony Ferguson on wed 17 apr 02
Rush,
Maybe just back off on the % of colorant? Can also add some ziropax
(pending on your glaze) to to whiten it.
As far as oxides go, run the gamut, man. Try em all.
Tony Ferguson
----- Original Message -----
From: "artimater"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 4:01 PM
Subject: blue
I put a little cobalt in my water bowl and slipped a bunch of stuff for the
last woodfire....I washed the slip off the tops of the carving and it all
came out realy nice....blue white blue white blue white blue white all down
the pieces with a little ash thrown in...I like em alot better than the ones
I put flashing slip on too thick so it popped half off.....Shit! the
claybody itself flashes just fine....Sometimes I'm such a fool.....Anyway, I
was wondering if ya'll had any suggestions of other oxides that I could toss
in my waterbowl with the cobalt and maybe get other colors.....Maybe just
modify that dark blue just a little so it don't look quite so dark blue?...I
don't really know what i'm looking for but I thought maybe some of ya'll had
already been there done that??????
Rush
"I only indulge when I've seen a snake, so I keep a supply of indulgences
and snakes handy"
http://artimator.com
rush@artimator.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/texasceramics/
Artimator Galleries
2420 Briarwood Ln.
Carrollton, TX 75006
972-841-1857
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Tony Ferguson on wed 17 apr 02
Mel,
will make ugly beatiful--if i'm lucky.
fergy
----- Original Message -----
From: "mel jacobson"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:20 PM
Subject: blue
> ferg, take any glaze you like.
> add 2 percent cobalt.
> fire.
> ugly blue.
>
> you will love it in wood fire.
> mel
> From:
> Minnetonka, Minnesota, U.S.A.
> web site: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
>
>
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Hank Murrow on wed 17 apr 02
>I put a little cobalt in my water bowl and slipped a bunch of stuff
>for the last woodfire....I washed the slip off the tops of the
>carving and it all came out realy nice....blue white blue white blue
>white blue white all down the pieces with a little ash thrown in...I
>like em alot better than the ones I put flashing slip on too thick
>so it popped half off.....Shit! the claybody itself flashes just
>fine....Sometimes I'm such a fool.....Anyway, I was wondering if
>ya'll had any suggestions of other oxides that I could toss in my
>waterbowl with the cobalt and maybe get other colors.....Maybe just
>modify that dark blue just a little so it don't look quite so dark
>blue?...I don't really know what i'm looking for but I thought maybe
>some of ya'll had already been there done that??????
>Rush
Oh Hell, here I am finally responding to a post from Rush!
Hey, try Titanium dioxide or Rutile for some nice
micro-crystalline development and a tasty greenish color.
There, I did it, Hank in Eugene
Chris Jones on thu 18 apr 02
I make all kinds of blue...........mostly rutile blue...............I like
it! I don't think it is the same thing you guys are talking about though.
Thank you,
Chris Jones
Visit www.jonespottery.net
william schran on thu 18 apr 02
Rush - Try some rutile with that cobalt.
Bill
Charles Moore on wed 18 sep 02
Dear Anti-Bluesters,
If you feel uncertain about the beauty of blue, please check Tony =
Ferguson's site that he posted yesterday featuring Tony Winchester's =
work at Aquarius Art Gallery: =
http://www.aquariusartgallery.com/winchesterworks1-15.html. Note =
especially pot #9, a masterful use of blue.
I'd love to produce blue like that.
Charles
Sacramento
Millie Carpenter on sat 7 aug 04
since the recent thread on Blue started, I have followed the exchanges
from my cloaked spot in the Lurker world with a sense that Blue is
being discussed with the feel of religions . The fervor with which the
adherents of each point of view talk are almost fanatic. Also the
factionalism is unreal, Blue is good, but only with iron to make it
more subtle. blue is good but only on classic pots from the past.
Blue is good only in certain shades which are not garish, but then
there are divisions within that group of what constitutes garish.
Blue is good as an accent only. Blue is never good, only Brown, and
the adherents of Brown start to digress between the smooth surfaces of
gas fired and the crusty surface of wood fire. And on and on and on.
Perhaps we should hold the Blue and Blue vs Brown theories as if they
were religion and politics and agree to disagree and NOT discuss it in
public.
And now I will go back to my lurking state until January when the
exhibits preparatory to NCECA start to go up.
Millie in Md, but originally from North Carolina where we believe that
G-d is from NC or the sky wouldn't be Carolina Blue
On 6 Aug, 2004, at 2:21 AM, Richard Mahaffey wrote:
>
> Clayart has lost much of its vitality and it seems to me at this time
> that it is much less tolerant of differing opinions that it was in the
> past.
>
> Think about what kind of place you want Clayart to be...........vital
> alive with diverse opinions or only with the same opinions and ideas
> and less diversity..............
>
>
> Thnking about being "outta here".
> Rick
>
>
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