Anne Yagoda on fri 22 nov 96
Dear Shirley,
I also suffer from cts and had the surgery about 8 years ago in my right
hand. I still have pain but I was told that it is tendonitis now. The
surgery isn't always 100% and if you don't change your posture it can
reccur. The weight lifter's supports sound great or you just tape your
wrists so that they don't flex improperly. I've tried the tape and it
seems to be helping. The best advice is to go see a hand specialist and
not a general orthropod.
Good luck,
Anne
Steve Williams on wed 5 mar 97
Hi folks,
Well it's official. That numb tingley feeling in my hand and fingers is
Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. My orthopedist gave me a shot of Cortisone in my
wrist but he doesn't think it will fix the problem and expects I'll need
surgery.
Needless to say I don't want to have surgery but it may be necessary. I'm
sure not getting much done this way. Anyway, to the point. Has anyone on the
list had this surgery? If so, What was your experience?
Has anyone on the list managed to avoid this surgery? If so, How? Well I've
got to go finish packing for the show this weekend. Thanks in advance.
Steve Williams
sawilliams@skybest.com
Sherri on fri 7 mar 97
Steve Williams wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Hi folks,
>
> Well it's official. That numb tingley feeling in my hand and fingers is
> Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. My orthopedist gave me a shot of Cortisone in my
> wrist but he doesn't think it will fix the problem and expects I'll need
> surgery.
> Needless to say I don't want to have surgery but it may be necessary. I'm
> sure not getting much done this way. Anyway, to the point. Has anyone on the
> list had this surgery? If so, What was your experience?
> Has anyone on the list managed to avoid this surgery? If so, How? Well I've
> got to go finish packing for the show this weekend. Thanks in advance.
>
> Steve Williams
> sawilliams@skybest.com
Hello Steve, I am new to ClayArt hoping to obtain any information
concerning how to throw clay. I hope to begin classes in the next few
months. Anyway, to your question of Carpal Tunnel. I have it and
probably always will, I wonder as I learn to throw clay when the damage
to my wrist will have me screaming in pain? I had the surgery about 8
years ago on both wrist due to stress induced by waiting tables and
carrying much weight with my hands. I went right into surgery, the nerve
test showed damaged to far gone for steriod treatments or wearing bands
while you sleep. Surgery was easy and painless and I was out of
commission for about 2 weeks for each wrist, but I could of made it
less. My numbness was so severe it felt like the worst case of
frost bite and I wanted my hands cut off due to the pain. Surgery
was a blessing and I was so happy to have it doen. Surgery is a last
resort, but not a cure all from what I know. The symptoms return if
continous repetive movement is kept up. Well, life does not stop--I must
still write reports at work, type on the computer, throw clay etc. I
have learned to listen to my body with any actions of my hands by
keeping my back strong so that my shoulder and neck alignment is
straight and relaxed thus keeping my arms and wrist straight and
relaxed. Throwing clay will be a test for me. The coldness of the clay
and not knowing yet how to manuever the clay with ease has caused aches
in my wrist. (I am reading with interest the threads on throwing by
standing) To relieve numbness etc. on "bad wrist days", while I sleep I
wear some tight wrist sport bands in which I place a tonge depresser on
the palm side that lies up to my middle finger and down to my wrist.
Sounds crazy, and takes some getting used to, but it keeps the alignment
correct, stopping the constriction of the nerves and I wake up feeling
normal. They make a wrist support similar to my make-shift model which
can be purchased at medical supply stores. A bowlers glove can work as
well. I'm sure I will have surgery again at some point in time. But
until then I must pay special attention to ergodynamtics of body
alignment in everything I do. It's livable, just another quirk of life.
Hope this helped.
Sherri Diller
chaos@stl.com
Sam Cuttell on fri 7 mar 97
At 11:01 PM 3/5/97 EST, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hi folks,
>
>Well it's official. That numb tingley feeling in my hand and fingers is
>Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. My orthopedist gave me a shot of Cortisone in my
>wrist but he doesn't think it will fix the problem and expects I'll need
>surgery.
>Needless to say I don't want to have surgery but it may be necessary. I'm
>sure not getting much done this way. Anyway, to the point. Has anyone on the
>list had this surgery? If so, What was your experience?
>Has anyone on the list managed to avoid this surgery? If so, How? Well I've
>got to go finish packing for the show this weekend. Thanks in advance.
>
>Steve Williams
>sawilliams@skybest.com
>
>
Dear Steve:
I'm one of those that avoided surgery - too scared! When I convinced
my doc that I wouldn't go under the knife, he suggested the following
with *no* guarantees....
I had to take a break from any load bearing or repitative(sp) activities
for _6 months_. I wore a wrist brace all waking hours and kept the
affected arm elevated as much as humanly possible.
When the 6 months were over, I had to get back into things slowly.
2 hours per day to start (total clay activity!), adding about 1/2
hour day til I was back full time.
I stretch before even *touching* the clay (a good physio-therapist
can outline wrist and arm stretches for you - they are definately
worth the money spent). I don't throw for longer than 1.5 hours -
then get off the wheel and do something - anything else....and if
you run your own studio single handed - there are plenty other things
to do!!
I have altered my product lines to keep my throwing max weight to
5 lbs - except once in a while I may allow myself an 8 lb pot; but
must rest the arm after doing one. As most tableware fits comfortably
in the 5 lb and under category, the only thing I really miss is
the fun and challenge of throwing larger :( HOWEVER, I have learned
how to reaaallllyyy stretch the clay I use (a 3 lb bowl 6 years later
is *almost* the size of my old 4 lb bowl :)
No drug therapy was used. 6 years later I still throw full time
and can type once again! I got the initial lay-off advise from
a full-time potter. FWIW
sam - alias the cat lady
Melbourne, Ontario, CANADA
http://www.geocities.com/paris/3110
Look for me at NCECA - I should be easy to spot. I wear long,
colourful skirts....
and, oh yeah; I have purple hair.
Cobalt1994@aol.com on fri 7 mar 97
Hi Steve,
Don't worry about carpal tunnewl surgery. I'vegot lots of friends who have
had it, rangin from computer programmers to musicians to gymnasts, so
craftspeople aren't the only ones....anyway they really have this operation
down. It's quick and the recovery isn't as long as it used to be. My
programmer friend said to get it done by a neurosurgeon since they can do
everything real small. I toy with carpal tunnel symptoms when I'm working
very hard, and try to avoid overcommitting myself to heavy production in too
tight a time frame. But if I needed to I'd have the surgery. My husband had a
severe fear of hospitals until he ruptured his achilles tendon and required
surgery in the fall. He had a very positive experience with his orthepedic
surgeon and felt relieved to let go of all that fear. Surgeons are
craftspeople. I have alot of respect for them. And we think WE have cool
toys....the worst thing you can do is wait too long to have the surgery. You
could permanently lose strength in certain muscles in your hand.
Take Care,
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Jennifer in Vermont
Thistle Hill Pottery
Montpelier, VT
Cobalt1994@AOL.com
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Linda Murphy on fri 7 mar 97
Steve,
I'm an RN who has been recovering from Carpal Tunnel for over a year after a
combination injury from chronic pc use and chipping ice out of a rain gutter
last January. Both my family physician (D.O.) and chiropractor agreed on the
diagnosis-
D.O. said get wrist splints and wear them all the time - non-stop for two
weeks.
After one week, chiropractor said wear splints only while sleeping and while
using pc--and, very important! Take B6 vitamin, plus good B complex, B-12,
and C.
I follow chiropractors instructions--and gradually was able to not wear the
splints at all after about 6 months. Then, I clapped my hands at a
concert--and wore the splints at night for another two weeks.
Two months ago I started a ceramics class, and I have felt some discomfort
with prolonged wedging--so I take it easy and seem to be O.K. I have heard
lots of stories of people needing repeated surgeries and sometimes it doesn't
work well.
I also do stretching exercises with my wrists after I type awhile--like now.
They seem to help a lot and avoid prolonged holding of the wrists in one
position.
I continue to be careful, ie., I just don't clap at concerts no matter how
awsome the performance is. No more using my hands as ice breakers. And I
continue to take vitamins and generally keep my nutrition as positive as
possible.
Good luck. I hope this is helpful for you. Also, muscle relaxants and pain
medication, (except for anti-inflamatory like ibuprofen), is VERY
INAPPROPRIATE and can lead to even more injury. Wearing wrist splints will
relieve most of your discomfort right away.
Linda
Nancy Rogers on fri 7 mar 97
Steve:
I've been avoiding the dreaded knife for the past 8 years or so. I take 2
Relafan (new prescription anti-inflammatory with no stomach irritation side
effects, AND single daily dosing) each morning and whenever I'm not in water
(shower or dishpan) or muddy, I put on an inexpensive pair of steel supported
wrist braces. These are available at any apothecary. I wear mine to do
everything from gardening, cooking, or driving to riding my horse. Sleeping
with them on is essential.
I've also had several friends, both younger and older, who have had the
surgery. Word is that if you interview your orthopaedic surgeon carefully
and talk to people who've had the surgery, you'll find a surgeon in your area
who stands out for this procedure.
ALL of my friends have had successful and uneventful surgeries. Each
recommends doing only one hand at a time. Physical therapy compliance is
essential.
Best of wishes warding off the surgeon.
Nancy the Cracked Potter
Cindy on fri 7 mar 97
Steve,
I've never had carpal tunnel probs, but, from what I hear, the surgery is
usually highly successful. Takes a while to recuperate, of course, and a
big pain in the--um, wrist. An artist friend of mine has been real happy
with her results--of course, she doesn't wrestle with 10-20 lbs of
clay--just an itty bitty paint brush.
The cortisone is only a temporary fix, and can cause problems if used for
extended periods. Maybe look at the way you work--instead of doing all your
wedging, then all your throwing, alternate, etc. Even so, once the problem
has gotten to the numb, tingly stage, surgery may be a good idea.
Cindy
Steve W. wrote:
> Well it's official. That numb tingley feeling in my hand and fingers is
> Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. My orthopedist gave me a shot of Cortisone in my
> wrist but he doesn't think it will fix the problem and expects I'll need
> surgery.
James Dapogny on fri 7 mar 97
Has anyone on the list had this surgery? If so, What was your experience?
>Has anyone on the list managed to avoid this surgery? If so, How? Well I've
>got to go finish packing for the show this weekend. Thanks in advance.
>
>Steve Williams
Hi Steve,
I had the ct surgery in my right hand (I'm right-handed) about 14 or so
years ago. I live in Ann Arbor, had it diagnosed and "done" at the Univ of
Michigan hospital. It was outpatient, with lots of sedatives in addition
to the locals. The surgery went quite easily. My hand was extremely sore
for a week, but I don't recall that I was out of commission very long (a
few weeks), and I never looked back! I think, all told, that it was the way
to go. My hand has been just fine ever since. I am a full-time potter,
including all the clay-making, lifting, stacking, unstacking, firing, etc.
I never think about it unless prodded by a letter like yours, and can
barely see the scar. I think that it would have gone on being a constant
and nagging problem if I hadn't had the surgery.
Surgery such as this is always scary, but I think that specialists at the
reputable places really have things under control. My husband is a pianist
and 3 weeks ago he had to have a different kind of hand surgery. He was
back to playing in about 10 days.
Good luck; and write if you have questions or need comfort.
--Gail Dapogny in Ann Arbor
Paul Monaghan on fri 7 mar 97
Steve Williams wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Hi folks,
>
> Well it's official. That numb tingley feeling in my hand and fingers is
> Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. My orthopedist gave me a shot of Cortisone in my
> wrist but he doesn't think it will fix the problem and expects I'll need
> surgery.
> Needless to say I don't want to have surgery but it may be necessary. I'm
> sure not getting much done this way. Anyway, to the point. Has anyone on the
> list had this surgery? If so, What was your experience?
> Has anyone on the list managed to avoid this surgery? If so, How? Well I've
> got to go finish packing for the show this weekend. Thanks in advance.
>
> Steve Williams
> sawilliams@skybest.com
Steve,
Proper exercises, rest, and large doses of Vitamin B6 and C are
extremely helpful. Surgery can always be a last resort option but whay
not investigate alternatives first. You might want to get a book by Dr.
Ellis M.D. called "The Doctor Who Looked at Hands." You won't believe
the success he had treating CT with B-6. The book is well documented
with pictures.
Good Luck,
Paul
--
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WEB2U Productions --- http://www.web2u.com
The "COOLEST" Site on the WEB
"The Computer Secrets are hidden at www.web2u.com/secret"
Mark Issenberg on sat 8 mar 97
Hi Steve and Everybody Else: Monday, I had hand surgery on my right ring
finger for trigger finger. It had been hurting and swollen for awhile.
I used acupuncture which helped for the pain and swelling but I still had
the trigger finger. To my amazement, I hardly have any pain and have not
used any pain pills. I already have full use of my hand. It's just that
I have stitches which I can't get wet. I lately haven't had time to make
pots anyway - I'm having a major plant sale. I have an acre of palms,
fruit trees, cycads, succulents, etc etc. I have landscapers with
backhoes and bobcats moving trees and other people taking all kinds of
bromeliads. Anyway, I just wanted to tell you about my hand surgery. By
the way, the reason why I'm having the plant sale because Claudia and I
are selling this house and moving to Lookout Mtn, Ga.
Mark
rebecca ann yarne on sat 8 mar 97
On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Steve Williams wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Hi folks,
>
> Well it's official. That numb tingley feeling in my hand and fingers is
> Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. My orthopedist gave me a shot of Cortisone in my
> wrist but he doesn't think it will fix the problem and expects I'll need
> surgery.
> Needless to say I don't want to have surgery but it may be necessary. I'm
> sure not getting much done this way. Anyway, to the point. Has anyone on the
> list had this surgery? If so, What was your experience?
> Has anyone on the list managed to avoid this surgery? If so, How? Well I've
> got to go finish packing for the show this weekend. Thanks in advance.
>
> Steve Williams
> sawilliams@skybest.com
>
Steve, I have known a number of people who have developed hand problems,
which were classified as carpal tunnel, tendonitis, etc.. A number of
their problems were from rock climbing, guitar playing, and myself
personally from over use in jewlery making. Several of those who I know
have seen acupuncturists who really know their thing and also took
chinese herbs for their problems. THere are also exercises that can be
done to help this. I don't know where you live so it is hard to say if
you will be able to find an acupuncturist. OUt west there are a number
of acupuncture schools that have student clinics supervised by the
teachers that are a cheaper way to be treated. I personally don't think
it necessary to go cutting in to people's wrists, I find the whole thing
totally barbaric. The thought of going in to a doctor and having them
cut in to this part of me which connects my most vital tool, second only
to my mind, is horrific. THere really are a lot of other things that a
person can do rather than go slicing away. And any good acupuncturist
knows this and can treat it. In the case of the rock climbers, it was
recommended that they choose between their activities, excessively
climbing and guitar playing is never going to allow oneself to heal.
But it doesn't mean never using one's hands, after all climbing is pretty
intense on the hands. ANyway, I really hope you look in to an
alternative treatment for your carpal tunnel and run fast from those who
always look to cut in to your body as the solution. Acupunturists also
give free consultations, all the ones I have encountered. And don't go
to one who doesn't know their herbs. Good luck whatever you do.
Rebecca Yarne
YiLi Lin on sat 8 mar 97
If it were me withthe carpal tunnel, I'd try acupuncture with an
electrostimulating TENS unit first. Many insurance companies cover this
approach.
YiLi Lin
Emily Pearlman on sun 9 mar 97
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>If it were me withthe carpal tunnel, I'd try acupuncture with an
>electrostimulating TENS unit first. Many insurance companies cover this
>approach.
>
>YiLi Lin
It was me awhile back and I did try accupuncture, the straight kind with
the needles, and IT WORKS! I've been fine ever since. It did take
persistance and several months of treatments, but after the first few,
there was some improvement, so I knew it was working. Try it.
Emily
Emily Pearlman-Pottery (clayfeat@echonyc.com)
http://humanarts.com/emilypearlman
http://www.craftweb.com/org/pearlman/pearlman.htm
(in NYC)
Emily Pearlman on sun 9 mar 97
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hi Steve and Everybody Else: Monday, I had hand surgery on my right ring
>finger for trigger finger. It had been hurting and swollen for awhile.
>I used acupuncture which helped for the pain and swelling but I still had
>the trigger finger. To my amazement, I hardly have any pain and have not
>used any pain pills. I already have full use of my hand. It's just that
>I have stitches which I can't get wet. I lately haven't had time to make
>pots anyway - I'm having a major plant sale. I have an acre of palms,
>fruit trees, cycads, succulents, etc etc. I have landscapers with
>backhoes and bobcats moving trees and other people taking all kinds of
>bromeliads. Anyway, I just wanted to tell you about my hand surgery. By
>the way, the reason why I'm having the plant sale because Claudia and I
>are selling this house and moving to Lookout Mtn, Ga.
>Mark
Hi All:
I too had a trigger finger (right thumb) and had surgery and the same
results as Mark, but for my right wrist I went the accupuncture route and
that really worked. Highly recommended.
Emily
Emily Pearlman-Pottery (clayfeat@echonyc.com)
http://humanarts.com/emilypearlman
http://www.craftweb.com/org/pearlman/pearlman.htm
(in NYC)
Sherri on sun 9 mar 97
Hi all again, and Steve have you been reading? There is lots of advise
going on here--all with the common thread...do your research. I wanted
to reply one last time on this thread because I think it affects all of
us who use our hands in the manner we do. I myself studied anatomy and
dietetics so I am partially for holistic/alternative means of living and
correcting symptoms. Acupuncter scares me a little on this issue,
but again I have never experienced it, so I can not judge. The wrist
contains a bundle of nerves wrapped in a sheath. The surgery will
loosen this sheath so that the nerve impluses can travel to the
fingers. The sheath is not totaly cut, and the doctor will know what
area of the sheath to cut based on a nerve conduction test.
Any repetitive motion will, over time, cause a constriction of this
"tunnel", or sheath. This is why they do a nerve test to see which
nerves are being affected, because not all may be constricted. Also,
they run test to rule out neck and back strains, because these as well
affect our muscles and nerves that run down our arms. So you can start
with a good chiropractor.
It is important though to do something. You can have lasting nerve
damage if it goes unchecked. I myself probably waited to long for my
surgery and thus must may special attention to my movements. Anyway,
thank you for listening.
Sherri Diller
chaos@stl.com
Pamela Jo Stamper on sun 9 mar 97
Hi Steve,
My two cents worth of advice is to try chiropratic treatment before
you let anyone knife you (surgery!). I have had alot of relief from
adjustments for pain in my hands and at the base of my thumb. Also, beware
of cortisone it's a temporary fix that can have side effects. Usual
disclaimers--I don't live with, work for, or have any financial ties to
chiropractors.
Good luck, Pamela Jo , North Oregon Coast--not raining today!!!
Robert S. Bruch on sun 9 mar 97
I had a similar problem to carpal tunnel
which was achilles tendonitice. I know its
NOT the same thing, but it is an overuse
injury. The surgeons I saw wanted to cut,
just like lawyers often advise a client
to sue...... My question was whether there
was an alternative. I tried deep tissue massage,
a very painful 6 month process, and it seemed
to work. The surgeon still wanted to cut. Then
I went to a joint specialist and had an MRI.
This doctor was concerned because he treats the
people whose achilles and other surgeries are
not successful. His comment was that there was
nothing that needed to be cut based on the
MRI.
I know nothing about carpal tunnel. But if I
were considering the surgery, based on this
experience, I would want to know what was
being done in the surgery and how that would
relieve the problem. Would it be harmful to try
alternative methods? What are the problems or
complications from this surgery. How often do
things not work out well or even poorly?
--
Bob Bruch rsb8@po.cwru.edu
Glenda Worm on wed 12 mar 97
Answered privately but decided maybe my info would matter as response
was so varied. Don't wait around. I suffered for years, until numbness
was extreme, I was dropping things, and terrible pain clear to my
shoulders. Nerve studies showed massive nerve damage. No alternative
but surgery. Surgery is no big deal, one day in and out. I had my
wrists done seperately. And the pain is GONE!! Thats worth so much
even though I do still have a small amount of numbness and loss of
strength. If your symptoms are mild try alternatives, but if they are
severe find yourself a GOOD surgeon and go for it. Don't wait to
long!!
Just went through my mail as my computer was down for 2 days. I've
learned a lot on clayart and enjoy everyone---but I DO NOT appreciate
toilet mouth--let's keep it clean.
Glenda in Kansas where the crocus' are croaking and spring has
sprung.
Steve Williams on thu 13 mar 97
Hi folks!
Wow what a response! Thank you all for your support,advise and personal
experiences (40 some messages). Clayart has proven again to be an invaluable
resource on a personal as well as a professional level.
Anyway, based on all the best information I can find I have decided to go
ahead and have the surgery. Here is my thinking.
1. Splints, vitamins, NSAIDS and refraining from work (3 weeks 2 different
times) haven't helped.
2. The NCV (Nerve Conduction Velocity test) showed significant nerve damage
at the wrist which will heal only if the pressure is alleviated.
3. Continued damage to the nerve will result in the loss of the use of the
hand.
4. I personally have more faith in the traditional medical community than the
alternatives. I have to go with what I believe in.
5. Practically everybody I have talked to or had posts from who has had the
surgery says it is a piece of cake. Those who delayed said they wished
they had done it sooner.
6. The local nurses say that the hand specialist I'm am seeing is the best in
my area.
So hi ho hi ho it's off to surgery I go probably next week. I'll get one
more show in this weekend to help pay for it (yes I have insurance). Thanks
again for the overwhelming support.
Steve Williams
Debby Grant on thu 13 mar 97
I wasn't going to add my 2 cents to this thread because there have been so
many opinions already but I can't keep still any longer. My experience
was very similar to Glenda's but I tried everything first - vitamins,
splints,etc.
until the pain got really bad and a nerve conduction test showed that I had
already lost power in my thumbs. I had each wrist done seperately about
13 or 14 years ago and have been fine ever since. The trick is to find a
very good orthopod and not to wait too long because the more cleaning out
that has to be done the longer it takes to recover. I was back on the wheel
with each release in less than 6 weeks and hand building before that. In
any case I would avoid going to a chiropractor as this is not a back problem.
I also developed a trigger thumb some years later (playing too much Pack
Man),had that released and completely recovered in one week. Do have
the nerve conduction test done to make sure you have the right diagnosis.
Good luck, Debby Grant in N.H.
Hrnce on thu 14 may 98
I have discovered an effective set of exercises for relieve and prevention of
Carpal Tunnel Syndrom.Check out www.aaos.org/wordhtml/press/exerci.htm.
I hope they work as well for you.
Jiri in Berkeley
Graham Jones on wed 5 aug 98
Further to recent discussion re CTS
REPETITIVE STRESS MAY NOT CAUSE 40=25 OF CTS CASES
One-third of all cases of carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS) and arm pain from
median neuropathy are due to factors other than occupational ergonomics,
according to a report in yesterday's Archives of Internal Medicine. Steven
G. Atcheson, MD, and colleagues, examined 297 patients diagnosed with
work-related upper extremity conditions.
Investigators found that 33=25 of patients had at least one of 109 =
concurrent
illness (i.e., obesity, hypothyroidism, diabetes mellitus and various
autoimmune diseases) capable of causing CTS or similar
disorders. According to researchers, 68=25 of these conditions would have
been missed, based on a review of medical records. Altogether, 40=25 of
subjects were diagnosed with a condition that may cause CTS-like
symptoms. Atcheson concluded that non-occupational causes of median nerve
entrapment must be considered in patients with CTS.
=5BArchives of Internal Medicine -- July 27, 1998:
http://www.ama-assn.org/public/journals/inte/intehome.htm=5D
Edouard Bastarache Inc. on fri 4 feb 05
Steroid Shots as Good as Surgery for Carpal Tunnel
Fri Feb 4, 2005 1:39 PM ET=20
By Amy Norton
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - New research suggests that a couple =
injections of corticosteroids may work as well as surgery for many cases =
of carpal tunnel syndrome -- at least in the first year after treatment.
Carpal tunnel syndrome is a disorder of the wrist and hand caused by =
pressure on the median nerve, which runs through a narrow passageway in =
the wrist -- the carpal tunnel. Symptoms include pain, numbness and =
weakness in the hand, fingers and wrist.
There is no universally accepted first-line treatment, but the options =
include wrist splints, anti-inflammatory painkillers, injections of =
inflammation-fighting corticosteroids and surgery in which the ligaments =
surrounding the median nerve are cut to relieve pressure on the nerve.
In the new study, researchers in Spain found that among 101 patients =
with carpal tunnel syndrome, those who received steroid injections into =
the wrist fared about as well over the next year as those who had =
surgery. The steroid therapy actually showed more immediate benefits, =
with more steroid patients than surgery patients reporting improved =
symptoms 3 months after treatment.
The findings are published in the February issue of the journal =
Arthritis & Rheumatism.
The study excluded carpal tunnel patients who had weakness and wasting =
in the muscles of the hand. Study co-author Dr. Jose-Luis Andreu told =
Reuters Health he and his colleagues believe such patients need surgery.
"But in less severe cases, local injection is an excellent option -- =
cheaper and more feasible," said Andreu, a rheumatologist at the =
Hospital Puerta de Hierro in Madrid.
The study included mostly middle-aged female patients, many of whom had =
carpal tunnel syndrome in both wrists. They were randomly assigned to =
receive either surgery or steroid injections into the wrist -- two =
injections in most cases.
After 3 months, 94 percent of the treated wrists in the steroid group =
showed at least a 20-percent improvement in nighttime symptoms of =
burning and tingling in the hands and fingers. That compared with 75 =
percent of the surgically treated wrists.
One year later, 70 percent of the steroid-treated wrists were still =
showing such an improvement, while the number in the surgery group =
remained at 75 percent. Throughout the study, steroid and surgery =
patients showed similar improvements in daytime pain and in hand and =
wrist function -- though in this latter measure, surgery patients were =
doing better at the one-year mark.
According to Andreu, it's not yet clear how long the benefits of steroid =
injections can last in carpal tunnel syndrome. He and his colleagues are =
following the patients for a second year to see how well the effects of =
both treatments hold up.
SOURCE: Arthritis & Rheumatism, February 2005.=20
"Ils sont fous ces quebecois"
"They are insane these quebekers"
"Est=E1n locos estos quebequeses"
Edouard Bastarache
Irreductible Quebecois
Indomitable Quebeker
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/Welcome.html
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smart2000/index.htm
http://www.digitalfire.com/education/toxicity/
Gary Harvey on sat 5 feb 05
I have had surgery on both my hands for Carpal Tunnel. As soon as I was
getting over the surgery I developed trigger finger in both hands. I had
surgery on the right hand for trigger finger. I was told by someone that
vitamin B complex would help. After 3 months the trigger finger in the left
hand basically went away. Except for some cringing occasionally I have not
had problems with it. Makes you think doesn't it? I was also told that B
complex would help corporal tunnel. G Harvey Palestine TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edouard Bastarache Inc."
To:
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:05 PM
Subject: Carpal Tunnel
Steroid Shots as Good as Surgery for Carpal Tunnel
Fri Feb 4, 2005 1:39 PM ET
By Amy Norton
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - New research suggests that a couple injections
of corticosteroids may work as well as surgery for many cases of carpal
tunnel syndrome -- at least in the first year after treatment.
Carpal tunnel syndrome is a disorder of the wrist and hand caused by
pressure on the median nerve, which runs through a narrow passageway in the
wrist -- the carpal tunnel. Symptoms include pain, numbness and weakness in
the hand, fingers and wrist.
There is no universally accepted first-line treatment, but the options
include wrist splints, anti-inflammatory painkillers, injections of
inflammation-fighting corticosteroids and surgery in which the ligaments
surrounding the median nerve are cut to relieve pressure on the nerve.
In the new study, researchers in Spain found that among 101 patients with
carpal tunnel syndrome, those who received steroid injections into the wrist
fared about as well over the next year as those who had surgery. The steroid
therapy actually showed more immediate benefits, with more steroid patients
than surgery patients reporting improved symptoms 3 months after treatment.
The findings are published in the February issue of the journal Arthritis &
Rheumatism.
The study excluded carpal tunnel patients who had weakness and wasting in
the muscles of the hand. Study co-author Dr. Jose-Luis Andreu told Reuters
Health he and his colleagues believe such patients need surgery.
"But in less severe cases, local injection is an excellent option -- cheaper
and more feasible," said Andreu, a rheumatologist at the Hospital Puerta de
Hierro in Madrid.
The study included mostly middle-aged female patients, many of whom had
carpal tunnel syndrome in both wrists. They were randomly assigned to
receive either surgery or steroid injections into the wrist -- two
injections in most cases.
After 3 months, 94 percent of the treated wrists in the steroid group showed
at least a 20-percent improvement in nighttime symptoms of burning and
tingling in the hands and fingers. That compared with 75 percent of the
surgically treated wrists.
One year later, 70 percent of the steroid-treated wrists were still showing
such an improvement, while the number in the surgery group remained at 75
percent. Throughout the study, steroid and surgery patients showed similar
improvements in daytime pain and in hand and wrist function -- though in
this latter measure, surgery patients were doing better at the one-year
mark.
According to Andreu, it's not yet clear how long the benefits of steroid
injections can last in carpal tunnel syndrome. He and his colleagues are
following the patients for a second year to see how well the effects of both
treatments hold up.
SOURCE: Arthritis & Rheumatism, February 2005.
"Ils sont fous ces quebecois"
"They are insane these quebekers"
"Están locos estos quebequeses"
Edouard Bastarache
Irreductible Quebecois
Indomitable Quebeker
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/Welcome.html
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smart2000/index.htm
http://www.digitalfire.com/education/toxicity/
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Bonnie Staffel on sun 20 nov 05
Dear Jennifer.
I have had both hands operated on to relieve the carpal tunnel syndrome.
However, my thumb is affected by arthritis, not the CTS. I could get
an operation on the thumb joint, but it would require quite a few months
for recover. I don't feel I want to put that kind of time in so I use
an prescription aspirin based cream that I rub onto the joint and it
goes through the skin to relieve any pain in that area. I am able to
throw easily, but I do not use my thumbs in the center of a ball of clay
to start the opening. I use the coil and slab method easily.
Warm regards,
Bonnie Staffel
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Patricia Harden on mon 21 nov 05
My ex is a pianist with carpal tunnel. He's trying acupuncture first. He's
only had one session but I'll keep you posted of his progress. Patricia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonnie Staffel"
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:37 PM
Subject: Carpal Tunnel
> Dear Jennifer.
>
> I have had both hands operated on to relieve the carpal tunnel syndrome.
> However, my thumb is affected by arthritis, not the CTS. I could get
> an operation on the thumb joint, but it would require quite a few months
> for recover. I don't feel I want to put that kind of time in so I use
> an prescription aspirin based cream that I rub onto the joint and it
> goes through the skin to relieve any pain in that area. I am able to
> throw easily, but I do not use my thumbs in the center of a ball of clay
> to start the opening. I use the coil and slab method easily.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Bonnie Staffel
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/bstaffel/
> DVD Throwing with Coils and Slabs
> DVD Beginning Processes
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>
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Eric Serritella on tue 22 nov 05
Had a friend with carpal tunnel who had it cured by a chiropractor who
specialized in extremities. A year later I had tendonitis in both elbows.
Couldn't even stretch out and pick up a salt shaker. Tried almost 9 months
of anti-inflammatories and physical therapy. Went to this chiro and was
throwing pots without pain 2 weeks later. Stuck with him for 6 session. He
did full body adjustments, as things are inter-related, but then
concentrated on my wrists and shoulders (elbow is in-between). Worked like
magic.
Might be worth a shot if you can find someone with the right experience.
Good luck.
Eric
Muddy Paws Pottery
528 Sebring Road
Newfield, NY 14867
607.564.7810
www.muddypawspottery.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patricia Harden"
To:
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel
> My ex is a pianist with carpal tunnel. He's trying acupuncture first.
He's
> only had one session but I'll keep you posted of his progress. Patricia
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bonnie Staffel"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:37 PM
> Subject: Carpal Tunnel
>
>
> > Dear Jennifer.
> >
> > I have had both hands operated on to relieve the carpal tunnel syndrome.
> > However, my thumb is affected by arthritis, not the CTS. I could get
> > an operation on the thumb joint, but it would require quite a few months
> > for recover. I don't feel I want to put that kind of time in so I use
> > an prescription aspirin based cream that I rub onto the joint and it
> > goes through the skin to relieve any pain in that area. I am able to
> > throw easily, but I do not use my thumbs in the center of a ball of clay
> > to start the opening. I use the coil and slab method easily.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Bonnie Staffel
> >
> > http://webpages.charter.net/bstaffel/
> > DVD Throwing with Coils and Slabs
> > DVD Beginning Processes
> > Charter Member Potters Council
> >
> >
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Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery on fri 18 nov 11
Hi Bill,
I've been dealing with carpal tunnel for over 10 years; my hand doctor
has been pushing for the surgery, but I've been able to function
without it by taking some specific steps:
Get higher over your work. You need to relax your elbows and
shoulders--the easiest way to do that is to be higher over your work.
So, I raised my chairs and lowered my tables, which definitely helped.
Fatten up your tools. I wrapped all my small tools and paint brushes
with soft, cushiony foam then taped it in place. I replace as needed.
Take a lot of breaks and stretch out your hands and wrists. Did your
doctor give you any exercises? Stop every hour and do them.
And if you work out in a gym or an exercise class, make sure that it
isn't adding stress to your hands. Weight machines instead of free
weights. Pilates instead of yoga (all those downward positions made me
much worse).
Good luck,
Lynn
On Nov 18, 2011, at 3:18 PM, William & Susan Schran User wrote:
> Having just been diagnosed with carpal tunnel syndrome, after 40
> years of
> throwing and this last summer of intensive throwing that apparently
> put me
> over the edge - I wanted to ask those of you who have suffered from
> this how
> you treated/resolved this injury?
> Lots of rest and breaks from throwing?
> Gave up throwing?
> Cortisone shots?
> Surgery?
>
> Bill
>
Lynn Goodman Porcelain
Cell 347-526-9805
www.lynngoodmanporcelain.com
William & Susan Schran User on fri 18 nov 11
Having just been diagnosed with carpal tunnel syndrome, after 40 years of
throwing and this last summer of intensive throwing that apparently put me
over the edge - I wanted to ask those of you who have suffered from this ho=
w
you treated/resolved this injury?
Lots of rest and breaks from throwing?
Gave up throwing?
Cortisone shots?
Surgery?
Bill
--
William "Bill" Schran
wschran@cox.net
wschran@nvcc.edu
http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
Liz Gowen 1 on fri 18 nov 11
Bill I just completed a round of injections about 6 weeks ago, one in each
wrist and one in the thumb since I developed a thumb that locked up and was
extremely painful. At first I thought the relief was only good for about a
week but then it really settled down for several more and I have been on an
intensive throwing spree for 2 months at least. I did not have to stop. I
wear wrist splints to bed at night. I just noticed a bit of numbness drivin=
g
today but has since resolved. I had put off seeing the surgeon because I
didn't want to give up throwing time till after my December sale and have
been very happy with this solution so far. I guess the emg showed I had
moderate carpel tunnel, A lot of numbness in the hands that then turned to
pain. Definitely worth a try....Liz Gowen
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of William & Susa=
n
Schran User
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 3:19 PM
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Carpal tunnel
Having just been diagnosed with carpal tunnel syndrome, after 40 years of
throwing and this last summer of intensive throwing that apparently put me
over the edge - I wanted to ask those of you who have suffered from this ho=
w
you treated/resolved this injury?
Lots of rest and breaks from throwing?
Gave up throwing?
Cortisone shots?
Surgery?
Bill
--
William "Bill" Schran
wschran@cox.net
wschran@nvcc.edu
http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
Steve Mills on fri 18 nov 11
Bill,=3D20
I went for surgery. Alright we have National Health in the UK, so no fee et=
c=3D
. and it was done in the morning with local anaesthetic and I was home for =
l=3D
unch.=3D20
I can't remember how long I was away from the wheel, but it wasn't that lon=
g=3D
, and I have had no problems since, and no scar.=3D20
This was about 10 years ago, and if anything I'm working harder than ever n=
o=3D
w (more time!!). The Arthritis is a nuisance, but not my wrist!
Steve M
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
Sent from my Ipod touch
On 18 Nov 2011, at 20:18, William & Susan Schran User wro=
t=3D
e:
> Having just been diagnosed with carpal tunnel syndrome, after 40 years of
> throwing and this last summer of intensive throwing that apparently put m=
e=3D
> over the edge - I wanted to ask those of you who have suffered from this =
h=3D
ow
> you treated/resolved this injury?
> Lots of rest and breaks from throwing?
> Gave up throwing?
> Cortisone shots?
> Surgery?
>=3D20
> Bill
>=3D20
> --
> William "Bill" Schran
> wschran@cox.net
> wschran@nvcc.edu
> http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
Rogier Donker on sat 19 nov 11
Hey Bill,
Like you I've been throwing for over 45 years. Unlike
you and many other potters I never developed CTS thanks to Karl Martz
who long ago taught me a little hand exercise that would (and indeed
has in my case) prevent or cure CTS. Whenever my hands developed a
certain soreness from throwing too many coffee mugs or such I would,
at night in bed, before falling asleep, reach for the stars with my
fingers. Stretch them out really good, then relax. Do same exercise
ten times, each session. Worked wonders! Still thank Karl! Now that
case of silicosis is another matter, but I'm coping with that too!
Rogier
P.S. See us on the web at http://www.donkerstudio.org
J Motzkin on sat 19 nov 11
Dear Bill,
First line of defense is to wear the wrist braces at night. If caught early
this can kick the symptoms. Have you had an emg test? If this shows it to
be serious, I would not hesitate as there is risk of permanent nerve
damage.
I had the surgery on my right wrist in 2004. I met with three docs. I chose
the one who said I should take 4 months if I wanted full healing without
scar tissue that might require repeat surgery. One doc said I would be back
to work in a week or two. I figured he did not have a clue that what we do
is harder on the wrists than typing.
Before the surgery I threw as many pots as I could, through the discomfort,
with a helper to wedge and center. In my recovery time I was able to
burnish, bisque, saggar fire, pack, ship...so I was busy and not out of
business. I also took the opportunity to paint watercolors of the harbor
and make art experiments and to write. I wrote an article about my Carpal
Tunnel Sabbatical.
I have no numbness since the surgery. It is the definitive cure. Sure, my
wrists ache after long work sessions and I do not do crow poses in yoga
(never could do that one). I have basal thumb joint arthritis, but nothing
as bad as the Carpal tunnel syndrome...yet.
When the acupuncturist who had been a surgeon in China said he would work
on the pain in the elbow and forearm but regarding the wrist said, " you
have surgery for that", I was convinced.
I am typing this on my "too damn smart" phone that keeps auto correcting to
carnal tunnel...now that might be an interesting topic, eh?
Anyway, I hope this helps.
Yours covered in clay,
...judy
jmotzkin
@motzkin.com
C. Tullis on sat 19 nov 11
I developed the symptoms of carpal tunnel for just the same reasons as yo=
=3D
u and=3D20
about the same time of year. After throwing 100's of pieces/month, mostly=
=3D
using=3D20
that platelike form to begin with I was woken up at night with pain in my=
=3D
hands=3D20
and had numbness excluding my little finger at times during the day. I w=
=3D
as told,=3D20
"wrist braces when ever possible, 24/7, and I think it was B6 and B12 + =
=3D
some=3D20
Tylenol for inflammation." It worked and it didn't come back. I've had a=
=3D
chance=3D20
to share this info with a number of people in the same predicament with e=
=3D
qually=3D20
good results.
I also started looking into and developing a jigger system to produce th=
=3D
e bird=3D20
feeders I was making. And, I now throw with pretty soft clay. Softer tha=
=3D
n what=3D20
you can usually buy premixed.
Steve Mills on sat 19 nov 11
As an addendum to my post in favour of surgery, I should add that at the ti=
m=3D
e of the Operation, I had had permanent pins and needles in my third and fo=
u=3D
rth fingers for nearly eighteen months.=3D20
The projected recovery time from that was about a year. In fact it went ins=
i=3D
de six months. =3D20
Steve M
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
Sent from my Ipod touch
On 19 Nov 2011, at 14:53, "C. Tullis" wrote:
> I developed the symptoms of carpal tunnel for just the same reasons as yo=
u=3D
and=3D20
> about the same time of year. After throwing 100's of pieces/month, mostly=
u=3D
sing=3D20
> that platelike form to begin with I was woken up at night with pain in my=
h=3D
ands=3D20
> and had numbness excluding my little finger at times during the day. I w=
a=3D
s told,=3D20
> "wrist braces when ever possible, 24/7, and I think it was B6 and B12 + =
s=3D
ome=3D20
> Tylenol for inflammation." It worked and it didn't come back. I've had a=
c=3D
hance=3D20
> to share this info with a number of people in the same predicament with e=
q=3D
ually=3D20
> good results.
>=3D20
> I also started looking into and developing a jigger system to produce the=
b=3D
ird=3D20
> feeders I was making. And, I now throw with pretty soft clay. Softer tha=
n=3D
what=3D20
> you can usually buy premixed.
Lee on sat 19 nov 11
I concur with the vitamin B and E recommendations.
Mine went away after taking up Filipino Martial Arts, whose drills
include a lot of wrist slapping. I don't know if it is like B and
helps circulation. It make me think that massage and acupuncture
might be helpful..
Soft clay (really soft!)and slow wheels (I have never seen
bagged clay soft enough.) If you don't have young apprentices to
center and pull up a cylinder, use coil and paddle for larger work.
Before electric wheels, softer clay was used and large things
were made in sections or by coil and paddle. The body always looses
when it competes against a multiple horsepower electric motor. Soft
clay acts as a buffer.
It takes time to get used to soft clay, but you can adjust to it.
--
=3DA0Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3DA0"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D9=
7that is, =3D
"The
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
Bonnie Staffel on sun 20 nov 11
So sorry to hear that you are having the problem of carpal tunnel. I =3D
had it
just a few years ago after probably 50 years potting. However, I felt =3D
mine
was from typing so much after taking on a job with the local newspaper.
After a lot of research and talking to others about their wrist =3D
problems, I
opted to get the surgery. I had two types, one was an open surgical
procedure and the other was just a small slit and worked inside the
hand/wrist. With both I had problems with scar tissue that had to be
massaged by physical therapy every week for a while.=3D20
I had one hand done one time and after recovering the use of my hand, =3D
had
the other one. You just have to learn to use your non-dominant hand to =3D
do
things you are used to doing with the favored hand. An electric =3D
toothbrush
was the best tool I used. I didn't get back to work until I was healed =3D
and
given the OK by the doctor.=3D20
I went back to work with no problems but you need to regain your =3D
strength
from the rest period.
The operation was accomplished with a short time in the operating room, =3D
went
home after and just worked off the anesthetic. Wore a hand splint too, =3D
but
don't recall how long. I am glad I had it done, same with cataracts in =3D
both
eyes. Did one eye at a time, recovered and now see color as I had not =3D
seen
it in a long time.=3D20
Good luck with your decision. Just be sure you have a good surgeon and =3D
that
you have faith in him/her.
Regards, Bonnie
http://webpages.charter.net/bstaffel/
http://vasefinder.com/bstaffelgallery1.html
DVD Throwing with Coils and Slabs
DVD Introduction to Wheel Work
Charter Member Potters Council
Birgit Wright on sun 20 nov 11
Hi Bill=3D3B I have had this diagnosed for me about 8 years ago=3D2C but su=
ffer=3D
ed a lot longer. The Doctor wanted to book surgery but I was not convinced =
=3D
that there was much benefit to it because my mother had both her hands done=
=3D
and after less than a year her symptoms returned. I have developed a few=
=3D
strategies for coping with carpal tunnel=3D2C since my diagnosis. A frie=
nd=3D
who is a physiotherapist and helped me with back pain after I had my hip r=
=3D
eplaced 10 years ago=3D2C(changed the alignment of my spine)=3D2C explained=
tha=3D
t carpal tunnel symptoms come more from the muscles in your neck and should=
=3D
er due to tension=3D2C It can literally twist the muscles down your arm. I=
b=3D
elieve this to be true because one night when I had been awakened by the pa=
=3D
in in my hand=3D2C ( always in the middle of the night)=3D2C I got up and =
trie=3D
d to shake out the burning numbness but to no avail. I was so tired and af=
=3D
ter much frustration lay down on the floor of the living room flat on my ba=
=3D
ck with no pillow and when I brought my hand down to my side I felt the pai=
=3D
n just melt away=3D2C I now sleep without a pillow=3D2C (Kind of weird at f=
irst=3D
but you get used to it)=3D2C and if I get any symptoms at night now=3D2C i=
f I =3D
had been sleeping on my side=3D2C I roll on my back and bring my hand down =
to=3D
my side and it usually goes away. I know if I get symptoms then I know I =
=3D
have been working extra hard and have been neglecting my hydration=3D2C wat=
er=3D
drinking=3D2C juice etc. They say that the carpal tunnel is stiffening up =
or=3D
atrophying or something like that so I imagine that lots of liquids flushi=
=3D
ng your kidneys and liver of acids is helpful and good hydration is good fo=
=3D
r a multitude of things. =3D20
=3D20
The older we get the more acidic our PH balance becomes and I think that =
=3D
is the root of a lot Elder ailments and I have a lot of these=3D2C Arthrit=
is=3D
=3D2C high colesterol etc. There are a lot of scientific studies exploring=
h=3D
ow our digestive system degenerates for a variety of reasons and results in=
=3D
acidic PH which leads to inflammation=3D2C and inflamation is at the root =
of=3D
things like Arthritis and Heart Disease.=3D20
=3D20
I take a mitt-ful of supplements and I feel better than I would if I didn't=
=3D
=3D2C I know I couldn't persue a passion for clay if I hadn't changed these=
f=3D
ew things. I just wonder how long I can continue to stave off further dete=
=3D
rioration=3D2C A long time I hope.
=3D20
Thats my story for what its worth.
Good luck=3D2C but I hope you look into alternatives before you opt for sur=
ge=3D
ry=3D2C its not a silver bullet for everything. My new hip is great but I'=
m =3D
glad I haven't cut my wrists=3D2C I don't think it would make them stronger=
.
=3D20
Cheers=3D2C Birgit Wright=3D20
=3D20
> Date: Fri=3D2C 18 Nov 2011 15:18:46 -0500
> From: wschran@COX.NET
> Subject: Carpal tunnel
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>=3D20
> Having just been diagnosed with carpal tunnel syndrome=3D2C after 40 year=
s =3D
of
> throwing and this last summer of intensive throwing that apparently put m=
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e
> over the edge - I wanted to ask those of you who have suffered from this =
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how
> you treated/resolved this injury?
> Lots of rest and breaks from throwing?
> Gave up throwing?
> Cortisone shots?
> Surgery?
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> Bill
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> --
> William "Bill" Schran
> wschran@cox.net
> wschran@nvcc.edu
> http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
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Ann Griffin on sun 20 nov 11
Hi Bill -
My heart goes out to you. I have never been diagnosed, as such, with car=
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pal
tunnel, but all the symptoms are present. If I even so much as place my
hand on the steering wheel a "certain" way, I'm numb to the elbow.=3D20=3D2=
0
I spent about a year and a half delivering papers six days a week for a
mid-sized city, and the Sunday additions weighed POUNDS. It was a great
job, but really screwed up my hands, elbows, shoulders and neck. Sitting=
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in
a right-hand drive jeep, and bagging and shooting those papers into 400
boxes a day. Man, I wish I'd never taken that job!
It's very normal for me to wake several times a night with arms so
completely numb that I couldn't move myself. The numbness would make my
arms ice-cold, and that's what would wake me. I would have to stand up a=
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nd
shake it out, slowly regaining warmth and feeling, and then lie down, onl=
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y
to have it happen again and again.
Chiropractic several years ago didn't help, as the body grows accustomed =
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to
irregularities and the adjustments become what's irregular, causing more
problems in a different area.
My friend, a massage therapist, swears the trouble starts in the spine an=
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d
brachial plexus, and can be helped with massage. Didn't work for me.
I have actually had a great deal of relief and an almost complete absence=
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of
the tingling and numbness since I quit eating wheat. Yup wheat. Actuall=
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y
most grains, but I'm pretty sure giving up wheat is what cleared up the
numbness. I quit eating that first and within about a week I was sleepin=
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g
through the night and the numbness was gone.=3D20
I realize that it's most likely a repetitive stress injury, I'm sure I ha=
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ve
them, too. I'm simply suggesting that dietary and nutritional issues can=
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exacerbate symptoms in some cases.
Keep us posted-
Ann Griffin
Anne Doyle on sun 20 nov 11
Hi Bill=3D2C=3D20
when i was being treated for carpal tunnel and epicodilitis=3D2C=3D20
the first thing they recommended was to get wrist guards for sleeping.=3D20
Not the cheap ones they sell in drugstores=3D2C get one from a sports=3D20
injuries clinic or orthopedic & physio supply where they measure you=3D20
and give you the right one. I have since gotten them for both wrists=3D20
and occasionally when i have a flare-up i wear both for sleeping.=3D20
That really helps me. Then they put me on a regimen of massive doses of vit=
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B.=3D20
Since this summer i have also been taking sublingual B12=3D20
which is known for nerve regeneration boosting. It helps a lot.=3D20
Since then i have been able to do mega sessions and have minimal pain.
I you do have cortisone=3D2C make sure you get it done with radiology so th=
ey=3D
=3D20
see what they are doing and get the injection in the exact spot. The ones=
=3D20
given by GP's in their offices are hit and miss in my experience.
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Watch your position when you work=3D2C try to keep=3D20
your wrists straight at all times=3D2C Anything you do where you break your=
=3D20
wrists like bike riding or computer work will aggaravate it. Use bigger pen=
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s=3D2C=3D20
try not to hold anything tiny in a claw position for even short stretches o=
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f time.
This compresses the nerve.
Good luck!
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Anne Doyle =3D20
"I expect to pass through life but once.
If therefore=3D2C there be any kindness i can show=3D2C=3D20
or any good thing i can do to any fellow being=3D2C=3D20
let me do it now=3D2C and not defer or neglect it=3D2C=3D20
as i shall not pass this way again." William Penn=3D20
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C. Tullis on sun 20 nov 11
Yes Lee,
SOFT CLAY. It really makes a difference in the prevention of carpal tunne=
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l.=3D20
And, prevention is the best way to deal with it.
I've had a discussion with Zac at Mile Hi Ceramics about the reasons for =
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the=3D20
stiffness of the clay bodies he sells. He says:=3D20
=3D09◆=3D09It is de-aired, giving it a toughness, you know what I m=
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ean. Makes=3D20
it feel stiffer.
=3D09◆=3D09Customers claim that they don't want to be paying for ex=
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tra water.
=3D09◆=3D09When clay gets up into the 27% water absorption rate the=
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=3D20
machines don't handle it well.
The second point here is interesting in that 8 0z. of water in 25# of cla=
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y=3D20
makes all the difference in the world. @ .35/# your getting 1/2 # less dr=
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y=3D20
clay/bag. Or your paying .175 for that extra water.
Clyde Tullis
clyde.tullis@gmail.com
http://clydetullis.com
http://myspace.com/tullisblues
http://www.salidaartfestival.com
"Every child is an artist.=3D20
The problem is how to=3D20
remain an artist once he grows up."=3D20
Pablo Picasso
Stop Truth Decay... Just Say Know
Leti Duenas on sun 20 nov 11
I would like to contribute to this thread, I do not normally contribute b=
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ut
rather enjoy learning from all your contributions.=3D20=3D20
I understand that while we are in such pain, we often think that there is=
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no
other way to relief than the way of the knife.
I also selected not to have surgery after being disabled by the pain and
unable to use my hands. I asked what my options were and my Dr. gave
stretching exercises for my wrists which I have been doing for the last
fifteen (15) years. While I continue to work with clay, I also try to av=
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oid
wedging clay which has been the biggest offender for my wrists. These
exercises have given me 100% relief, and as soon as I feel the need, I do=
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them.
I hope this is helpful to you and I wish you the best. Leticia Duenas
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