Dan c Tarro on fri 7 mar 97
There was a question posted from someone who has been diagnosed with
carpal tunnel syndrome and was looking at surgery. Please contact me by
E-male. I have someone here who has been working with me who has some
good, non surgical alternatives.
Dan Tarro
Oak Tree Stoneware
Ham Lake, Mn
oaktreestoneware1@juno.com
Dave and Pat Eitel on sat 8 mar 97
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>There was a question posted from someone who has been diagnosed with
>carpal tunnel syndrome and was looking at surgery. Please contact me by
>E-male. I have someone here who has been working with me who has some
>good, non surgical alternatives.
>
>Dan Tarro
How 'bout sharing them with the list?
Later...Dave
Dave Eitel
Cedar Creek Pottery
Cedarburg, WI
pots@cedarcreekpottery.com
http://www.cedarcreekpottery.com
Gary R Hill on mon 10 mar 97
At 08:27 AM 7/03/97 EST, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>There was a question posted from someone who has been diagnosed with
>carpal tunnel syndrome and was looking at surgery. Please contact me by
>E-male. I have someone here who has been working with me who has some
>good, non surgical alternatives.
>
>Dan Tarro
>Oak Tree Stoneware
>Ham Lake, Mn
>
>oaktreestoneware1@juno.com
>
>
Along this line of alternative treatment for carpal tunnel I suffer
from ct
and was at the stage of surgury about 6 or 7 years ago when I started to
keep bees.
An old beekeeper at the time told me when I mentioned the wrists to him that
I would find that bee stings would help. I was sceptical at this and just
went about handling the bees and was surprised to find that within a week I
could sleep laying down, and, after having to sleep proped up in bed to get
enough blood into my hands to ease the pain enough to sleep for olmost a
year it was great! Eighteen months ago I suffered a heart attack and have
not been able to work the bees and the ct has been getting worse anain, not
as bad as it was but painfull. I have reasently had bypass surgury so will
be back to the bees soon, if the ct improves it will be another proof for
the bees.
BIG WORD OF WARNING Some people have a protien allergy to bee stings
that can be fatal! Unless you have been stung before do not encourage bees
to sting.
As to the science of it I cant help though I did hear that a Dr in
Egypt was working on it. I cant help with how much is enough, I just work
the bees and the bees sting me. Hope this helps someone
Gary Hill
Gary R Hill
6 Green St
Eaglehawk VIC 3556
Australia
(03) 54467409
j5810061@Redgum.bendigo.edu.au
on mon 20 jul 98
My sister is not a potter, but she has carpal tunnel syndrome irritated by
much computer keyboard work. She started taking extra Vitamin B6 and believes
that it has helped a great deal. Caution--too much B6 can supposedly cause
problems. I thought the maximum cumulative dose per day was 200mg, or there
was a possibility of nerve damage. She is taking more than that and said that
she read about it in one of Dr. Earl Mindell's books, I think. Some
additional research would be advisable. She was almost to the point of
surgery, by the way.
Has anyone else had experience with this?
Pam
ClayArt Moderator on tue 21 jul 98
>From:
>Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:38:13 EDT
>To: clayart@LSV.UKY.EDU
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Subject: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
>Status: RO
>
>My sister is not a potter, but she has carpal tunnel syndrome irritated by
>much computer keyboard work.
Cleo Wolf on tue 21 jul 98
B vitamins are water soluble so if you take too many you pee them out. As a
project for massage school I made a list of therapies for carpal tunnel,
not to be confused with thoracic outlet syndrome which also causes numbness
and weakness of the hands -
1. take less than 300 mg vitamin B6 with a B complex once a day.
2. hold trigger point on outside of elbow (hunt around bony prominence for
painful spot) and "shake hands" ( someone else takes your fingers and
vigorously shakes your forearm up and down) until sensitivity is reduced.
3. Clasp affected hand and grasp forearm, pull apart stretching wrist, turn
or twist hand to acertain direction of discomfort then rotate hand in
opposite direction away from pain and push affected hand into forearm
maintaining good alignment. Hold until energy flows through.
4. Place finger on triple warmer 4 and triple warmer 6( center of wrist
joint on back of wrist, and between ulna and radius about 2 inches from
wrist also on back side. Hold until accupressure connnection made (a pulse
is felt in each spot matching the other in rythm and intensity).
5. Compression on Lateral Mobile Wad ( the bunch of muscles on back of
forearm) with cross fiber friction across tendons of the forearm with
flexed wrist. This means repeatedly pressing with palm of hand like you
were trying to flatten a ball of clay - jiust on the muscle mass on the
half of the forearm near the elbow. Then curling the wrist down and sawing
back and forth across the narrow part of the forearm with the length of the
middle finger. The compression brings in oxygenated blood and removes waste
toxins, the cross fiber friction unknots the tendons.
6. Deep transverse friction across fibrous band encircling wrist.
7. Apply ice to Lateral Mobile Wad for ten minutes every hour NOT longer or
more frequently.
and last but not least - keep your pecs stretched out!
Cleo, thinking just how good that compression and cross fiber friction
would feel right now!
Debby Grant on tue 21 jul 98
I had the same experience with carpal tunnel as Billie did almost
20 years ago. I had tried everything including vitamins and splints
on my hands and finally resorted to surgery. The surgery was
very successful and, although I do have arthritis, not unusual at
my age, (70) the carpal tunnel symptoms have never returned.
I also purchased a pug mill so that my wedging is minimal. It's
better to come to surgery sooner than later so that the inflamation
in the tunnel is not as bad. Finding the right doctor is also crucial.
Debby Grant in NH
Tim Lynch on tue 21 jul 98
Pam: I suffer from CTS, as many on this list do, and have lived with it
for many years. The thing that has worked for me is acupuncture. I take
B6, 400mgs a day. My naturopath indicated that it would take quite a bit
of B6 to cause damage or toxicity. While I'm not cured, and I'm not sure a
cure is available, my symptoms are greatly reduced. I throw with greater
ease and can even type extended posts without that infernal buzzing in my
hands. I recommend acupuncture but be sure to get a licensed
acupuncturist. Also, stretching exercises, like spreading your fingers as
far apart as they will go, helps. the only drawback is my naturopath told
me I shouldn't use the chainsaw anymore. Drat!
Tim Lynch
The Clay Man
748 Highline Drive
East Wenatchee, WA 98802-5606
509-884-8303
clayman@internet.wsd.wednet.edu
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/1613
Eydie DeVincenzi on tue 21 jul 98
Pam
<<
She started taking extra Vitamin B6 and believes
that it has helped a great deal. Caution--too much B6 can supposedly cau=
se
problems. I thought the maximum cumulative dose per day was 200mg, or
there
was a possibility of nerve damage
>>
If it were my body, I would not take mega doses of any vitamin without
first getting a kidney and blood checkup. I am a believer in vitamins,
but, like anything else we put in our bodies, they can produce toxicities=
=2E =
I'm not a doctor, but I would imagine that a major strain from overdosing=
would be placed on our kidneys. So I would drink lots of water. =
Personally, I would want to talk to someone who has done some
chemical-physiological research with B6 and I would want to know what my
body's "weaknesses" are (for instance, a predisposition to cancer, heart=
attack, etc.). I know that vitamins work as catalysts for each other. F=
or
instance, iron will not be totally absorbed without the presence of B12. =
I
suspect there may be some catalytic issues with B6 as well.
In the "old days", we were taught that you couldn't overdose on the B's
because they were water soluble and would wash out of our bodies. As I g=
et
older and wiser, I've come to appreciate just how complex our bodies are
and I am more an more sceptical about those simple answers.
You might check with some of the major research hospitals, like Johns
Hopkins to see if they are working on any research on the subject of B6.
The best thing for your sister is to stop using the keyboard and mouse (i=
n
some cases, worse than the keyboard). (This is not as unrealistic as it
sounds. Read on). =
I work with people who get repetitive stress injuries and one of the
dangers is that the pain goes away for periods of time giving them the
impression that the RSI has "gone away". More often than not, it will
NEVER go away; we just learn to manage it. The first step is to stop doi=
ng
that which caused it. Keyboarding and mousing are causing insurance
companies to prepare for a 40% increase in claims over the next year! It=
is a major problem in the workplace.
I use voice recognition systems to help my RSI clients. (Clay is my
fulltime passion; my fulltime occupation is working with disabled and
injured workers). I teach them to do everything they used to do with a
mouse and keyboard. Don't waste your $$$ on the $99 special voice
recogntion software at your local computer store. These are "crippled"
software toys, not professional-level tools. Warning: voice recogntion
systems are very effective tools if used properly. But they are complex
tools made to look easy - initially. Without proper training, your siste=
r
will spend many days "fooling with it" and end up frustrated. Best get
proper training from the start and save time and energy and get back to
work faster.
I hope this all helps,
Eydie DeVincenzi
301-681-0810
74647.404@compuserve.com
Jim Cullen on tue 21 jul 98
Find an ACUPUNCTURIST. My wife is an acupuncturist and has worked with
musicians and dentists and done wonders. Drugfree and virtually painless. Only
a pin prick and a little stimulation. Beats the hell out of surgery.
Billie Schwab on tue 21 jul 98
My wrist action was very inhibited because of narrowed Carpal Tunnels,
caused by repetitive use of my hands. In my day job I use two PC's (two
keyboards), and am a potter and basketweaver at night and on weekends.
I was very hesitant to consider surgery because of the drugs used and
invasive action of the surgeon...........I would be dead in the water if
anything happened to my hands.
I tried vitamins and other non-invasive techniques...........short
termed at best........
I had surgery on both hands and was quite surprised and pleased with the
results. The surgery was done with a local anesthetic. I was awake
during the entire eight minute procedure. Matter of fact, in lieu of
pattern pant breathing ;-) or other medatative exercise, I practiced
singing scales. I had a wedding to sing for the following Saturday.
My .02 worth on surgery...............I would not hesitate to recommend
it to anyone, given the right surgeon. Maybe I was lucky though?
The incision I have, on both hands, was only 1/2" in length and ran from
left to the right of my wrist. I required two stitches each. The
incisions were made in a fold of skin and are invisible now.
Best Wishes,
Billie
gari whelon on wed 22 jul 98
I could'nt agree more.
don't assume its carpal tunnel and not a tendonitis or other RSI.
when you get a diagnosis from a specialist and neurologist do everything to
find a cure other than the operation.
While I'm heartened by the positive comments I've read today (after just
signing back following a week off of clayart), I see the other side on a
daily basis.
In my other life I'm a workers advocate and help or represent injured
workers in workers compensation appeals following industrial injuries or
disabilities. I can' t tell you how many times I've seen repeat surgeries
or surgeries that either did not give relief or gave only temporary relief
before the problem came back and became chronic cts or received a new or
multiple diagnosis.
Not having the pain myself I won't tell you what to do but I will caution
you to seek relief by non surgical methods and by better ergonomic practices
and to ensure the diagnosis, ruling out other problems that may account for
some or all of the symptoms.
Good luck
Gari Whelon
Nanaimo B.C.
whelon@island.net
At 11:44 AM 7/22/98 -0700, ClayArt Moderator wrote:
>forwarded from the clayart moderator:
>
>>From: "Joseph A. Troncale, M.D."
>>To: 'Ceramic Arts Discussion List'
>>Subject: RE: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
>>Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:26:55 -0400
>
>>Joseph A. Troncale, M.D. says:
>>Sorry, but I have to get into the discussion. I am a physician. I do
>>pottery as a hobby. Carpal tunnel, first of all, should be properly
>>diagnosed. A lot of people say they have carpal tunnel, but do not.
>>Conversely, a lot of people have no idea that they have carpal tunnel.
>>The current medical thinking is that you sould have a test called nerve
>>conduction velocity studies across the wrists to make sure the diagnosis
>>is correct. If the diagnosis is correct, the treatment is to avoid
>>activities that extend and flex the wrist if possible. Splint the wrist.
>>Motrin-type drugs are helpful. Trained orthopedic doctors can give
>>steroids into the carpal tunnel with relief in many cases. Surgery if
>>nothing else mentioned above helps. Conservative treatment (everything
>>short of surgery) still may take several months to show improvement.
>
>
Cynthia Spencer on wed 22 jul 98
I want to ditto Graham Jones' comments about CTS possibly stemming from
other injuries. I too was diagnosed as having carpal tunnel because the
neurologist only heard "potter" (I handbuild with fewer of the repetitive
movement of throwers) and not my story of having injured my shoulder with
heavy carry-on baggage, and the pain starting in my wrist shortly
thereafter.
A friend who had just gone through a year of physical therapy told me
that after an injury it often takes 6 months to a year to feel
improvement and no pain, and she showed me her stretching exercises. I
took up yoga and taking relax breaks, and have not had to have surgery.
Being Cheap, and having a major medical insurance with a high deductible,
I was highly motivated not incur a big surgery bill. Yoga has really
helped me learn to relax my shoulders and be more aware of when my body
is telling me I need to take a break. When I'm tight in the shoulders my
arm and wrist hurts like the dickens, but as I learn to relax, no pain.
Typing over long periods of time is my worst pain producer . . . hard for
this wordy person.
Cynthia Spencer
getting ready to head up to Bellevue Fair
Tim Stowell on wed 22 jul 98
I too have carpal tunnel syndrome....The pain and numbness for the
most part is still tolerable(my doctor says I have a high pain
threshold).
My mother and my older brother have both had the surgery. My
mother had it done one hand at a time...my brother had them done
together. The surgery fixed their problems to near perfection.
My brother tried every alternative method he could find before
going under the knife, from acupuncture to vitamins. Some worked to a
degree, some didn't at all, he has told me that nothing came close to
giving him the relief that he has felt since the surgery. His comment was
that he had his hands back. He also complained that the worst part of the
surgery was the nerve induction(conduction) test prior to the surgery.
Both my mother and brother used the same doctor...he is supposed to be
the best in our area...My understanding is that it is tricky surgery and
that it demonstrates the ART of medicine...My mother (a nurse) actually
watched her entire operation as he was doing it...Find out who is the
best in your area and don't settle for less.
I don't look forward to the surgery..My doctor says that I
should wait until it is worse...but, I'm not afraid of it either...I just
inherited wrists that are susceptible to the syndrome...Right now my
method of treatment is to rigorously vary the positions of my wrists and
to switch often between repetitive tasks...and I play around with those
little squishy squeeze balls.
The occasional flare up is not fun...and I usually know at what
point in the day I pushed my wrists too far.
Tim
"We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams."
Tim Stowell Gerard Stowell Pottery
290 River Street
tstwll@juno.com Troy, NY 12180
www.trytroy.org/gerard/
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Ilene Mahler on wed 22 jul 98
I too had CTS and had the surgery the pain stopped immediately.,The doctor
did one hand them a month later the second. It was great I couldn't throw
10lb pots for a month..It's been 10 years and no symptoms since.. Ilene
At 09:59 AM 7/21/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Pam: I suffer from CTS, as many on this list do, and have lived with it
>for many years. The thing that has worked for me is acupuncture. I take
>B6, 400mgs a day. My naturopath indicated that it would take quite a bit
>of B6 to cause damage or toxicity. While I'm not cured, and I'm not sure a
>cure is available, my symptoms are greatly reduced. I throw with greater
>ease and can even type extended posts without that infernal buzzing in my
>hands. I recommend acupuncture but be sure to get a licensed
>acupuncturist. Also, stretching exercises, like spreading your fingers as
>far apart as they will go, helps. the only drawback is my naturopath told
>me I shouldn't use the chainsaw anymore. Drat!
>
>
>Tim Lynch
>The Clay Man
>748 Highline Drive
>East Wenatchee, WA 98802-5606
>509-884-8303
>clayman@internet.wsd.wednet.edu
>http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/1613
>
>
Jim Cullen on wed 22 jul 98
A word of warning, a Chiropractor who hangs out an Acupuncturists shingle can
be a dangerous thing. A licensed acupuncturist has three years of training. A
chiropractor can practice acupuncture legally with 30 hours of training. You
be the judge. I'm not saying they don't know what they're doing, but...
Remember that e-mail about...leave us your wheel, and show us how to throw a
big pot??? Find a licensed Acupuncturist, they should have L.Ac, or C.A.
(Certified Acupuncturist), or Dipl. Ac. (Diplomate of Acupuncture) after their
name.
Marcia Selsor on wed 22 jul 98
I had the surgery on both hands in 1984 at age 35. It was a tremendous relief.
Symptoms are returning. Laser surgery is superior to the old method. Laser can
not be performed on a previous 'old method' of cutting the carpal tendon.-scar
tissue is too tough, so I've been told.
I think I like the chiropractor solution at this stage since the nerves up the
neck, arms and shoulders are also affected. I have also been told the old
method surgery can only be done twice.
Marcia in Montana
ClayArt Moderator on wed 22 jul 98
forwarded from the clayart moderator:
>From: "Joseph A. Troncale, M.D."
>To: 'Ceramic Arts Discussion List'
>Subject: RE: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
>Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:26:55 -0400
>Joseph A. Troncale, M.D. says:
>Sorry, but I have to get into the discussion. I am a physician. I do
>pottery as a hobby. Carpal tunnel, first of all, should be properly
>diagnosed. A lot of people say they have carpal tunnel, but do not.
>Conversely, a lot of people have no idea that they have carpal tunnel.
>The current medical thinking is that you sould have a test called nerve
>conduction velocity studies across the wrists to make sure the diagnosis
>is correct. If the diagnosis is correct, the treatment is to avoid
>activities that extend and flex the wrist if possible. Splint the wrist.
>Motrin-type drugs are helpful. Trained orthopedic doctors can give
>steroids into the carpal tunnel with relief in many cases. Surgery if
>nothing else mentioned above helps. Conservative treatment (everything
>short of surgery) still may take several months to show improvement.
lpskeen on wed 22 jul 98
A Doctor/Potter said:
>The current medical thinking is that you sould have a test called
nerve conduction velocity studies across the wrists
and another person said that his brother's opinion was:
>>the worst part of the surgery was the nerve conduction test...
'kay y'all, let me just say here and now, up front, that this test is
just about the most painful thing I've ever had done to me in a doctors'
office. Frankly, I'd rather go to the dentist, and that's the truth. :P
--
Lisa Skeen ICQ# 15554910
Living Tree Pottery & Soaps
http://www.uncg.edu/~lpskeen
"We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful
words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of
the good people." -- Dr. M. L. King, Jr. 4/16/63
Sheilah Bliss on wed 22 jul 98
My husband's a chiropractor and for years I worked in the office with him.
Although I have no signs or symptoms of CTS, he's often related experiences
he's had with folks who have had it. Usually they seek chiropractic care
because of some other problem: shoulder, neck, upper back, headache, and
usually, after just a few visits, to their surprise, they also relate greatly
deminished CTS symptoms in their wrists. Of course, not everyone with CTS who
sees him gets relief for that problem, but the percentage is much greater than
he ever imagined. I'd say that if someone is comfortable with the surgical
procedure and their MD recommends it, then by all means persue that avenue.
The surgeries usually work very well when done properly. But a lot of people
are more comfortable with seeking non-invasive alternative routes. It's worth
a try and much less expensive.
Eydie DeVincenzi on wed 22 jul 98
I just finished reading an article about Repetitive stress injuries. Tur=
ns
out there are lots and lots of different wrist-related injuries besides
CTS. Sometimes it's the Tunnel, sometimes it's nerves, etc etc. And
worse, they all "feel" similar. I would strongly recommend people get a
medical diagnosis and not assume CTS because the symtoms are similar to
other people's symptoms.
Eydie
Judy A Brager on thu 23 jul 98
I recently was treated for CTS. The orthopedic surgeon had me try the
following non-surgical alternatives: 1. sleeping in a hand brace, 2.
doing the exercises previously described by someone else on the list, 3.
taking vitamins B and E and ibupropin and 4. cutting salt intake as much as
possible.
My hands improved and stopped hurting completely until I munched on some
WOW!! potato chips -- instant relapse. I was really surprised at how much
the salt effected my hands. Now it's back to no salt and no pain.
Hope you feel better.
Judy (hjbrager@prodigy.net)
In sunny and HOT Richland, WA, USA where the Allied Arts Sidewalk Show
starts tomorrow.
Cheryl L Litman on thu 23 jul 98
Tim,
I was told that if you're experiencing numbness that waiting could cause
permanent nerve damage from the constriction and swelling. I'm surprised
that you heard otherwise? Maybe I saw an overzealous surgeon? The nerve
conduction test is quite unpleasant but I doubt it's worse than
surgery/recovery!
Cheryl Litman
Somerset, NJ
email: cheryllitman@juno.com
On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:06:20 -0400 Tim Stowell writes:
> I too have carpal tunnel syndrome....The pain and numbness for
>the
>most part is still tolerable(my doctor says I have a high pain
>threshold).
> My mother and my older brother have both had the surgery. My
>mother had it done one hand at a time...my brother had them done
>together. The surgery fixed their problems to near perfection.
> My brother tried every alternative method he could find before
>going under the knife, from acupuncture to vitamins. Some worked to a
>degree, some didn't at all, he has told me that nothing came close to
>giving him the relief that he has felt since the surgery. His comment
>was
>that he had his hands back. He also complained that the worst part of
>the
>surgery was the nerve induction(conduction) test prior to the surgery.
>Both my mother and brother used the same doctor...he is supposed to be
>the best in our area...My understanding is that it is tricky surgery
>and
>that it demonstrates the ART of medicine...My mother (a nurse)
>actually
>watched her entire operation as he was doing it...Find out who is the
>best in your area and don't settle for less.
> I don't look forward to the surgery..My doctor says that I
>should wait until it is worse...but, I'm not afraid of it either...I
>just
>inherited wrists that are susceptible to the syndrome...Right now my
>method of treatment is to rigorously vary the positions of my wrists
>and
>to switch often between repetitive tasks...and I play around with
>those
>little squishy squeeze balls.
> The occasional flare up is not fun...and I usually know at
>what
>point in the day I pushed my wrists too far.
>
>Tim
>"We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams."
>
>
>Tim Stowell Gerard Stowell Pottery
> 290 River
>Street
>tstwll@juno.com Troy, NY 12180
> www.trytroy.org/gerard/
>
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Quentin D. Maxwell on thu 23 jul 98
I suffered from Carpal Tunnel Syndrome as well. I tried various solutions
except surgery - about 20 friends in the factory where I worked had the
surgery with more problems after than before. I also had the acupuncture
of the ear....sounds wierd, but he stuck a needle in my ear and the pain
stopped in the wrist. These treatments extended over a 6 month period and
stopped all pain for about 2 years. I quit the factory job and went to
college and it started to come back. Finally, a doctor in Springfield, MO
had started research in alternative medicines. My wife and I both went to
him and he told me that most adults are deficient in Magnesium -
especially if they drink a lot of caffeine which depletes magnesium. He
told me to try the following, which has worked great for the past 7 years:
First Month:
Vitamin B6...............up to 1,000 milligrams daily
Magnesium Oxide..........500 mg daily taken at bedtime (reduce if
diarrhea occurs)
Second Month:
Vitamin B6...............reduce to 300-500 mg daily
Magnesium Oxide..........maintain at 500 mg daily
Third Month and every month thereafter:
Vitamin B6...............reduce to 100 mg daily
Magnesium Oxide..........maintain at 500 mg daily
If this combination has improved your symptoms, you can maintain the
dosages at the "Third Month" level as a preventative.
Note: You may substitute 250 mg of Magnesium Taurate for Magnesium Oxide.
You should see improvements after the first month, or if any other
symptoms occur, you should see your doctor.
This comes from Dr. Charles Shealy, of the Shealy Institute, 1328 E.
Evergreen St. Springfield, MO 65803-4400. Ph (417)865-5940
fax (417)865-6111.
I hope this helps others as much as it has me. Oh, and a nice side bonus
was that it stopped 90% of my lower back pain as well - from my deficiency
in Magnesium. Good luck!
Love & Prayers,
Q.
qmaxwell@mail.llion.org
David Orser on thu 23 jul 98
to pam & all
there was an interesting article in Natural Health
magazine(july/aug 1993) that discusses the research on the effect of
vitamin B6 in the treatment of CTS by one John Ellis M.D.. he purports to
have cured CTS in 90% of sufferers using B6.
While i would not to presume to prescribe any medical advice, I
can report that in my own personal experience with CTS, I did follow the
recommendations put forth in this article and found positive results.
the article suggests that one not exceed 200mg of B6 daily (100
mg at breakfast and another at dinner). (I actually kept it to 100mg daily).
my regimen was simply to take 100mg of b6 and a multi vitamin and mineral
suppliment.it was suggested that since such a dose of B6 can act as a
diuretic and cause you to pee away essential minerals. also, it mentions
that "since all vitamins in the b-complex often work in hand.
nutritionists generally recommend people take a 50 mg B- complex
supplement if they are taking megadoses of one B vitamin"
for what it's worth, DO
John K. Dellow on thu 23 jul 98
> G`day all i think its time i had my two bobs worth on this subject.
Throwers like me who make lge production ware can have pain in the left
wrist, if they are right handed & throw with the wheel turning
anti-clockwise, due to compression of the soft tissue in the wrist. Its
similar to the injuries boxers have in the wrists.Generally this is because
the clay is too stiff. I was warned off stiff clay years ago, but have been
stuck with no alternative but to use what's on hand. To solve this I've had
my clay supplier put vinegar in with the water when making my terra-cotta
body. The body is made with air floated and screened dry mix ,then into a pug
with the correct amt. of water. The vinegar acts as a wetting agent & allows
the water to penetrate deeper into the dry clay in the first pass of the pug.
The answer then is to use softer clay and use better throwing technique & do
exercises to keep the wrists supple.
John dellow
keep away from the hard clay :)
Mike Gordon on fri 24 jul 98
Hi,
I'm not one for taking pills and luckily don't suffer from many
ailments, sprained wrist(left), long bouts with tendonitis, same wrist,
and lower back pain for longer than I care to remember.3 yrs. in the
bronze art foundry biz did that. But what kind of food contains
Magnesium? I take lots of C in fruit and juice for what ails me.Mike
Blue on fri 24 jul 98
I was under the impression that I had carpal tunnel syndrome due to typing
at an improper height at work. My surgeon (whom I trust due to my having
been under his knife a few times) did a simple test that involved tapping
certain parts of my hand and wrist. He assured me that I don't have carpal
tunnel syndrome, and recommended that I be tested for rheumatoid arthritis
and lupus. Hope this helps :)
Judy
relief5353@my-dejanews.com on sat 15 aug 98
Hi,
Aloe-vera, devil's claw, yarrow and yucca are helpful herbs for restoring
flexibility and reducing inflamation. Vitamin B6 deficiency may cause CTS.
It has been discovered that 80& of patients have brought CTS under control
with high doses of Vitamin B6 plus magnesium. The biochemic cell salts of
Ferr. Phos. and Mag. Phos. may also be recommended.
See my page on CTS at: http://www.iresources.com/wristrx for further
information. or e-mail me at relief@gate.net
Take care and good luck.
In article <35B84CC6.738F@earthlink.net>,
clayart@earthlink.net wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm not one for taking pills and luckily don't suffer from many
> ailments, sprained wrist(left), long bouts with tendonitis, same wrist,
> and lower back pain for longer than I care to remember.3 yrs. in the
> bronze art foundry biz did that. But what kind of food contains
> Magnesium? I take lots of C in fruit and juice for what ails me.Mike
>
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Lili Krakowski on wed 27 feb 08
In 1980 , after a misdiagnosis of thoracic outlet compression, which had me
doing exercises (yuk!) and wasted precious time (a couple of years) I was
diagnosed with carpal tunnel syndrome.
I had the surgery when I was 50. It lasted beautifully till I was 70 when
it started up again and I needed more surgery. Be advised that my left hand
was done in 1981 and has lived happily ever after.
To tell the whole truth, the 2000 surgery was touched up in 2001 when I
needed to have a tendon transposition in my carpal metacarpal joint. Now
the carpal metacarpal joint is the one that is at the bottom of your hand,
BELOW the thumbjoint, and arthritis et it up. THAT surgery is a bit gross
as they take a tendon or ligament (are they the same? because if not it is
one of them guys) out of the forearm and roll it up --"like a sock" the
surgeon said--put it in the join, put your arm in a cast, and six weeks
later --voila!
However, because of the scar tissue and the pressure, last year again carpal
tunnel surgery.
I tell you this whole truth but add that it is very very rare that carpal
tunnel comes back. Some of us just like to be difficult! It is annoying
but no big deal, and arthritis has done much more the bother my hands than
c.t. Only side effect: I no longer can use an electric sander, because the
vibrations set up a lot of pain. I also no longer can wear bracelets, nor a
wrist watch because they feel funny. Others, however do....
Caution: It is very difficult to put on a closing-in-the-back bra, also
pants with zippers, also socks, after the surgery. I found pants with
elastic, and over-the-head sports bras best. For socks one can get a gadget
that helps. But fairly stretchy socks work well.
The first go-around did NOT interfere either with throwing nor with handle
pulling. By the second go round arthritis began to bother fingers,
wrist...but no big deal.
I think when I throw the happy "morphemes" in my head take over, and I do
not really feel much pain. By eventide I ache anyway!
Getting older has lots of plusses, so don't get teary eyed about it!
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
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