Dannon Rhudy on sun 6 jul 97
..... your opinion (and anybody elses): What is ceramic sculpture
today? Who's doing it? Where can one see it? Which periodicals are
publishing the work? How's it being received (good or bad)?
Patrick........
-----------------------------------
Well, just quickly off the top: Doug Jeck, (previously teaching
Alfred U.)now this past year teaching (with Takamori, Warashina)
at University of Washington. Does figurative work, fairly
recently an article in American Ceramics. And of course, Takamori
and Warashina, both reviewed pretty frequently, both figurative.
Stephen DeStaebler, also figurative, reviewed in American
Ceramics, Ceramics Monthly, others. Some of his most recent work
in metal, now.
There are more, but those popped up first. As to how they are
received - not sure what that means. If how well do they sell-
believe that Jeck sells everything he makes that he chooses to
sell; was, anyway. Probably DeStaebler does, but don't know.
Hard to know how they are regarded/received in other ways. Too
vague.
Dannon Rhudy
potter@koyote.com
At 9:16 -0400 7/3/97, Hluch - Kevin A. wrote:
>----------------------------Original
message----------------------------
>.............................. So while painting on canvass
appears to
>have run its
>course, painting on ceramic material, particularly if it is
sculptural,
>appears
>novel to the fine art culture (Lucero, Voulkos, Weiser, Woodman).
This,
>of course, reflects the wholesale de facto amnesia of art
historians
>concerning the vast history of painted sculptural ceramics. Not
>surprising considering their educations. Or might I say lack of
education?
>
>I have always been amazed that so many people have swallowed the
myth of
>the "invention" of ceramic sculpture by the so-called
"wunderkind" -
>Peter Voulkos. The fine art culture was simply mining another
mother
>lode.
>
>
>( My web page is coming, watch for the address. )
>
>Kevin A. Hluch
******************************************************************
************
Patrick Hilferty
Belmont, CA 94002
E-Mail:
Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~philferty/
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Mark Richard Leach on mon 7 jul 97
On 7/6/97 12:14 PM Mark Richard Leach replied:
Patrick...check out Ray Elozua; Michael Lucero; Bob Brady; Marilyn
Levine, et.al. There's a million more! There's a Lucero web site at:
http://www.charweb.org/arts/mint/lucero/lucero.html
There are also links from within this site. Good luck.
Mark Leach
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>
>.... your opinion (and anybody elses): What is ceramic sculpture
>today? Who's doing it? Where can one see it? Which periodicals are
>publishing the work? How's it being received (good or bad)?
>
>Patrick........
>
>-----------------------------------
>
>Well, just quickly off the top: Doug Jeck, (previously teaching
>Alfred U.)now this past year teaching (with Takamori, Warashina)
>at University of Washington. Does figurative work, fairly
>recently an article in American Ceramics. And of course, Takamori
>and Warashina, both reviewed pretty frequently, both figurative.
>Stephen DeStaebler, also figurative, reviewed in American
>Ceramics, Ceramics Monthly, others. Some of his most recent work
>in metal, now.
>
>There are more, but those popped up first. As to how they are
>received - not sure what that means. If how well do they sell-
>believe that Jeck sells everything he makes that he chooses to
>sell; was, anyway. Probably DeStaebler does, but don't know.
>Hard to know how they are regarded/received in other ways. Too
>vague.
>
>Dannon Rhudy
>potter@koyote.com
>
>At 9:16 -0400 7/3/97, Hluch - Kevin A. wrote:
>>----------------------------Original
>message----------------------------
>>.............................. So while painting on canvass
>appears to
>>have run its
>>course, painting on ceramic material, particularly if it is
>sculptural,
>>appears
>>novel to the fine art culture (Lucero, Voulkos, Weiser, Woodman).
> This,
>>of course, reflects the wholesale de facto amnesia of art
>historians
>>concerning the vast history of painted sculptural ceramics. Not
>>surprising considering their educations. Or might I say lack of
>education?
>>
>>I have always been amazed that so many people have swallowed the
>myth of
>>the "invention" of ceramic sculpture by the so-called
>"wunderkind" -
>>Peter Voulkos. The fine art culture was simply mining another
>mother
>>lode.
>>
>>
>>( My web page is coming, watch for the address. )
>>
>>Kevin A. Hluch
>
>******************************************************************
>************
> Patrick Hilferty
> Belmont, CA 94002
> E-Mail:
> Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~philferty/
>******************************************************************
>***********
>
Patrick & Lynn Hilferty on tue 8 jul 97
These are all reputable people, but they've been well established for
upwards of 20 years or so. I saw Ray Elozua's show at Quay Braunstein in
1990 and he was working in welded metal. DeSaebler is also casting his
work. Brady is carving his sculpture from wood. I saw Lucero's slides at
the Palo Alto Cultural center in 1989 as a part of a lecture series (this
is the same series where I got yelled at by Arneson, who accused me of
being a spy-- but that's another story). My grad school advisor was a
classmate of Takamori's. The only name I don't recognize is Jenks'.
What am I missing? What _else_ is going on in Clay scupture?
Patrick
>At 8:29 -0400 7/7/97, Mark Richard Leach wrote:
>>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>>On 7/6/97 12:14 PM Mark Richard Leach replied:
>>
>>Patrick...check out Ray Elozua; Michael Lucero; Bob Brady; Marilyn
>>Levine, et.al. There's a million more! There's a Lucero web site at:
>>
>>http://www.charweb.org/arts/mint/lucero/lucero.html
>>
>>There are also links from within this site. Good luck.
>>
>>Mark Leach
>Try Ceramic Review which often contains articles and images of ceramic
>sculpture. It's very good!
>
>You may also find plenty of ceramic sculptors online, but I apologise for
>not offering some up to date info on sites.
>
>Dawn
>
> Well, just quickly off the top: Doug Jeck, (previously teaching
>Alfred U.)now this past year teaching (with Takamori, Warashina)
>at University of Washington. Does figurative work, fairly
>recently an article in American Ceramics. And of course, Takamori
>and Warashina, both reviewed pretty frequently, both figurative.
>Stephen DeStaebler, also figurative, reviewed in American
>Ceramics, Ceramics Monthly, others. Some of his most recent work
>in metal, now.
>
>There are more, but those popped up first. As to how they are
>received - not sure what that means. If how well do they sell-
>believe that Jeck sells everything he makes that he chooses to
>sell; was, anyway. Probably DeStaebler does, but don't know.
>Hard to know how they are regarded/received in other ways. Too
>vague.
>
>Dannon Rhudy
>potter@koyote.com
******************************************************************************
Patrick Hilferty
Belmont, CA 94002
E-Mail:
Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~philferty/
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Hluch - Kevin A. on wed 9 jul 97
There is plenty of ceramic sculpture that has been accomplished by
many individuals. Some "unknowns", relative "unknowns", moderately
"known" and the well "known". "Knownness" is not necessarily directly
connected with the fine art culture's essentially unknowable term -
"quality".
Nina Borgia-Aberle, Anita Cooke, Aurore Chabot, Juan Granados, Ron
Kovatch, Eva Kwong, Arlene Schechet, Paul Sires, Mic Stowell, Donna
Polseno, Marilyn Lysohir, Kirk Mangus, Patrick Siler, Christine
Federhrigi, Adrian Arleo, Judy Moonelis and a person who one
up's Lucero in both technique and vision is Sergie Isupov. And Sergie's
work is both utilitarian and prohibitively expensive. But, then again,
this is one of the attributes of "sculpture".
At the back of Leon Nigrosh's "Sculpting Clay" you will find an 'index to
contempory ceramic artists'.
(Mud was invented to be slung...watch for my web page address.)
Kevin A. Hluch
102 E. 8th St.
Frederick, MD 21701
USA
e-mail: kahluch@umd5.umd.edu
On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Patrick & Lynn Hilferty wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> These are all reputable people, but they've been well established for
> upwards of 20 years or so. I saw Ray Elozua's show at Quay Braunstein in
> 1990 and he was working in welded metal. DeSaebler is also casting his
> work. Brady is carving his sculpture from wood. I saw Lucero's slides at
> the Palo Alto Cultural center in 1989 as a part of a lecture series (this
> is the same series where I got yelled at by Arneson, who accused me of
> being a spy-- but that's another story). My grad school advisor was a
> classmate of Takamori's. The only name I don't recognize is Jenks'.
>
> What am I missing? What _else_ is going on in Clay scupture?
>
> Patrick
>
>
> >At 8:29 -0400 7/7/97, Mark Richard Leach wrote:
> >>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >>On 7/6/97 12:14 PM Mark Richard Leach replied:
> >>
> >>Patrick...check out Ray Elozua; Michael Lucero; Bob Brady; Marilyn
> >>Levine, et.al. There's a million more! There's a Lucero web site at:
> >>
> >>http://www.charweb.org/arts/mint/lucero/lucero.html
> >>
> >>There are also links from within this site. Good luck.
> >>
> >>Mark Leach
> >Try Ceramic Review which often contains articles and images of ceramic
> >sculpture. It's very good!
> >
> >You may also find plenty of ceramic sculptors online, but I apologise for
> >not offering some up to date info on sites.
> >
> >Dawn
> >
> > Well, just quickly off the top: Doug Jeck, (previously teaching
> >Alfred U.)now this past year teaching (with Takamori, Warashina)
> >at University of Washington. Does figurative work, fairly
> >recently an article in American Ceramics. And of course, Takamori
> >and Warashina, both reviewed pretty frequently, both figurative.
> >Stephen DeStaebler, also figurative, reviewed in American
> >Ceramics, Ceramics Monthly, others. Some of his most recent work
> >in metal, now.
> >
> >There are more, but those popped up first. As to how they are
> >received - not sure what that means. If how well do they sell-
> >believe that Jeck sells everything he makes that he chooses to
> >sell; was, anyway. Probably DeStaebler does, but don't know.
> >Hard to know how they are regarded/received in other ways. Too
> >vague.
> >
> >Dannon Rhudy
> >potter@koyote.com
>
> ******************************************************************************
> Patrick Hilferty
> Belmont, CA 94002
> E-Mail:
> Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~philferty/
> *****************************************************************************
>
"Rafael Molina-Rodriguez (Rafael Molina-Rodriguez)" on sat 12 jul 97
Clayarters :
My feelings regarding "ceramic" sculpture are expressed by the following
quotes from William Hunt, Phillip Gearheart, Christopher Staley, and Harry
Davis :
Mr. Hunt writes "...ceramic sculpture, I can't help thinking how poorly most
such work compares to the best of contemporary or historical pure sculpture
- David Smith, Brancusi, Rodin, name your favorite." Mr. Gearheart states
"Yet the measures of sculpture are Donatello, Rodin, Henry Moore, David
Smith. Unfortunately, the unique aspect of much ceramic sculpture is simply
that it is ceramic - not that it can compete in the historical arena with
the greats." Chris Staley writes "Too frequently,
ceramic sculpture is marginalized within the narrow context of its own
microcosm and excluded from the sculture world at large. The question
should be asked, "How does ceramic sculpture relate to contemporary
sculpture in general and to the work of such artists as Louise Burgeois,
Andy Goldsworthy, and Bruce Nauman."
Harry Davis from his essay Potters, Zombies and Others "...potters should
have the courage to be potters. When are the potters going to get the
sculptors out of their hair...or when are some sculptors going to stop
pretending to be potters? Sculptors have been traditionally content to be
known by that simple title. They do not seem to have felt the need to
qualify their activities with prefixes indicating they work in stone or wood
or bronze or even terra cotta. So why, may one ask, this insistence on
ceramic sculpture?...it is time for such nonpotters to tag on to the world
of sculptors pure and simple... Potters could then settle down to being
potters."
Rafael Molina-Rodriguez, Potter
rmr3431@dcccd.edu
>>> Dannon Rhudy 07/06/97 11:14am >>>
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
..... your opinion (and anybody elses): What is ceramic sculpture
today? Who's doing it? Where can one see it? Which periodicals are
publishing the work? How's it being received (good or bad)?
Patrick........
-----------------------------------
Well, just quickly off the top: Doug Jeck, (previously teaching
Alfred U.)now this past year teaching (with Takamori, Warashina)
at University of Washington. Does figurative work, fairly
recently an article in American Ceramics. And of course, Takamori
and Warashina, both reviewed pretty frequently, both figurative.
Stephen DeStaebler, also figurative, reviewed in American
Ceramics, Ceramics Monthly, others. Some of his most recent work
in metal, now.
There are more, but those popped up first. As to how they are
received - not sure what that means. If how well do they sell-
believe that Jeck sells everything he makes that he chooses to
sell; was, anyway. Probably DeStaebler does, but don't know.
Hard to know how they are regarded/received in other ways. Too
vague.
Dannon Rhudy
potter@koyote.com
At 9:16 -0400 7/3/97, Hluch - Kevin A. wrote:
>----------------------------Original
message----------------------------
>.............................. So while painting on canvass
appears to
>have run its
>course, painting on ceramic material, particularly if it is
sculptural,
>appears
>novel to the fine art culture (Lucero, Voulkos, Weiser, Woodman).
This,
>of course, reflects the wholesale de facto amnesia of art
historians
>concerning the vast history of painted sculptural ceramics. Not
>surprising considering their educations. Or might I say lack of
education?
>
>I have always been amazed that so many people have swallowed the
myth of
>the "invention" of ceramic sculpture by the so-called
"wunderkind" -
>Peter Voulkos. The fine art culture was simply mining another
mother
>lode.
>
>
>( My web page is coming, watch for the address. )
>
>Kevin A. Hluch
******************************************************************
************
Patrick Hilferty
Belmont, CA 94002
E-Mail:
Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~philferty/
******************************************************************
***********
Catherine Vojtas on sun 13 jul 97
At 08:32 AM 7/8/97 EDT, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>What am I missing? What _else_ is going on in Clay scupture?
Always looking for a chance to plug our members...
http://www.artscape.com/Artists/bair/
Psychological clay sculpture from slab and pressmold.
Patrick & Lynn Hilferty on mon 14 jul 97
Rafael,
Re: Bill Hunt's quote-
What doesn't come off poorly when compared with Smith, Brancusi, Rodin, etc.?
Re: Gearhart-
The "ceramic-ness of ceramic sculpture" is a holdover from "truth to
materials" and modernism.
Re: Staley-
One wonders who is actually doing the marginalizing.
Re: Davis-
>...it is time for such nonpotters to tag on to the world
>>of sculptors pure and simple... Potters could then settle down to being
>>potters." Hmmm.
So, if I was to deduce a position from this collection of quotes, it would
be that (a) ceramic sculpture sucks, (b) ceramic sculpture has always
sucked, (c) people who do ceramic sculpure should come to their senses and
make way for the true purpose of clay, which is pottery?
Really?
Patrick
At 9:04 -0400 7/12/97, Rafael Molina-Rodriguez wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Clayarters :
>
>My feelings regarding "ceramic" sculpture are expressed by the following
>quotes from William Hunt, Phillip Gearheart, Christopher Staley, and Harry
>Davis :
>
>Mr. Hunt writes "...ceramic sculpture, I can't help thinking how poorly most
>such work compares to the best of contemporary or historical pure sculpture
>- David Smith, Brancusi, Rodin, name your favorite."
> Mr. Gearheart states:
>"Yet the measures of sculpture are Donatello, Rodin, Henry Moore, David
>Smith. Unfortunately, the unique aspect of much ceramic sculpture is simply
>that it is ceramic - not that it can compete in the historical arena with
>the greats."
>Chris Staley writes, "Too frequently,
>ceramic sculpture is marginalized within the narrow context of its own
>microcosm and excluded from the sculture world at large. The question
>should be asked, "How does ceramic sculpture relate to contemporary
>sculpture in general and to the work of such artists as Louise Burgeois,
>Andy Goldsworthy, and Bruce Nauman."
>Harry Davis from his essay Potters, Zombies and Others "...potters should
>have the courage to be potters. When are the potters going to get the
>sculptors out of their hair...or when are some sculptors going to stop
>pretending to be potters? Sculptors have been traditionally content to be
>known by that simple title. They do not seem to have felt the need to
>qualify their activities with prefixes indicating they work in stone or wood
>or bronze or even terra cotta. So why, may one ask, this insistence on
>ceramic sculpture?...it is time for such nonpotters to tag on to the world
>of sculptors pure and simple... Potters could then settle down to being
>potters."
>
>Rafael Molina-Rodriguez, Potter
>rmr3431@dcccd.edu
******************************************************************************
Patrick Hilferty
Belmont, CA 94002
E-Mail:
Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~philferty/
*****************************************************************************
Hluch - Kevin A. on tue 15 jul 97
Furiously working in his cubicle at Art Expressions International
Corporation, the apprentice was ecstatic about his job. The training he
had received from the Applicable Arts Institute of Brasilia had prepared
him perfectly for this position. No longer did he have to worry about
selling his sculptures....His work was dictated by the needs and tastes of
his clients. He, certainly, was not disparaging the early 21st century
collapse of the art market that was dominated by cowboy artists and their
parasites: the Fifth Avenue galleries. HIS sculptural creativity had free
reign! He could make anything he wanted because HE was the artist! The
patrons that contracted AEIC for sculptures had only the vaguest idea
about what they wanted and when he received the parameter settings on his
terminal he was free to create whatever he liked. Can you imagine having
the freedom to stick an African mask from the 19th century on a Louis 14th
figurative sculpture of the 18th century? Those copyrighted images from
the Bill Yates Coporation were worth there weight in gold (and they were
almost that expensive!). Pure creativity - that's what he loved...and
finally he was getting paid for it! Pondering the images of Rodin,
Moore, Smith, Donatello and Brancusi, he pitied them in their struggle in
what must have been an aesthetic desert. A sense of tranquility blanketed
him as he realized that living in the 23nd century gave him the freedom
to produce exactly what his clients required! And his work would rank up
there with the best...After all he had lovingly appropriated his forms
from all of the G R E A T S from the past! "His Robotron
Boss was sure to notice", he confided aloud to himself. Meanwhile, those
Insta-Ovens were S M O K I N G!
(Sling, Sling, Slung, what a curious web has been spun! My WeB Sight is
Coming.)
Kevin A. Hluch
102 E. 8th St.
Frederick, MD 21701
USA
e-mail: kahluch@umd5.umd.edu
Marcia Selsor on tue 29 jul 97
Just a note:
Recent research which I was doing last semester to teach History of
World Ceramics, used the term POTTERY inclusive of all fired clay work
from terra cotta Roman sculpture, Peruvian sculpture, etc. The rationale
for this was to excluded other "ceramics" such as glass,
enamel, etc.
Interesting definition. Therefore clayarters needn't be so concerned
with labels fueling this thread.
Marcia in Montana
Patrick & Lynn Hilferty wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Rafael,
>
> Re: Bill Hunt's quote-
> What doesn't come off poorly when compared with Smith, Brancusi, Rodin, etc.?
>
> Re: Gearhart-
> The "ceramic-ness of ceramic sculpture" is a holdover from "truth to
> materials" and modernism.
>
> Re: Staley-
> One wonders who is actually doing the marginalizing.
>
> Re: Davis-
> >...it is time for such nonpotters to tag on to the world
> >>of sculptors pure and simple... Potters could then settle down to being
> >>potters." Hmmm.
>
> So, if I was to deduce a position from this collection of quotes, it would
> be that (a) ceramic sculpture sucks, (b) ceramic sculpture has always
> sucked, (c) people who do ceramic sculpure should come to their senses and
> make way for the true purpose of clay, which is pottery?
>
> Really?
>
> Patrick
>
> At 9:04 -0400 7/12/97, Rafael Molina-Rodriguez wrote:
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >Clayarters :
> >
> >My feelings regarding "ceramic" sculpture are expressed by the following
> >quotes from William Hunt, Phillip Gearheart, Christopher Staley, and Harry
> >Davis :
> >
> >Mr. Hunt writes "...ceramic sculpture, I can't help thinking how poorly most
> >such work compares to the best of contemporary or historical pure sculpture
> >- David Smith, Brancusi, Rodin, name your favorite."
>
> > Mr. Gearheart states:
> >"Yet the measures of sculpture are Donatello, Rodin, Henry Moore, David
> >Smith. Unfortunately, the unique aspect of much ceramic sculpture is simply
> >that it is ceramic - not that it can compete in the historical arena with
> >the greats."
>
> >Chris Staley writes, "Too frequently,
> >ceramic sculpture is marginalized within the narrow context of its own
> >microcosm and excluded from the sculture world at large. The question
> >should be asked, "How does ceramic sculpture relate to contemporary
> >sculpture in general and to the work of such artists as Louise Burgeois,
> >Andy Goldsworthy, and Bruce Nauman."
>
> >Harry Davis from his essay Potters, Zombies and Others "...potters should
> >have the courage to be potters. When are the potters going to get the
> >sculptors out of their hair...or when are some sculptors going to stop
> >pretending to be potters? Sculptors have been traditionally content to be
> >known by that simple title. They do not seem to have felt the need to
> >qualify their activities with prefixes indicating they work in stone or wood
> >or bronze or even terra cotta. So why, may one ask, this insistence on
> >ceramic sculpture?...it is time for such nonpotters to tag on to the world
> >of sculptors pure and simple... Potters could then settle down to being
> >potters."
> >
> >Rafael Molina-Rodriguez, Potter
> >rmr3431@dcccd.edu
>
> ******************************************************************************
> Patrick Hilferty
> Belmont, CA 94002
> E-Mail:
> Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~philferty/
> *****************************************************************************
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Marcia Selsor
http://www.imt.net/~mjbmls/
mjbmls@imt.net
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