JMELCHIO@VUNET.VINU.EDU on sat 14 sep 96
A good friend died this past week and I want to make a jar for the ashes. I
have never done this--Does anyone know how big this needs to be? Or anything I
need to keep in mind.? I've never seen a jar for ashes. Thanks. J. melchior
Sam Cuttell on sun 15 sep 96
At 11:25 PM 9/14/96 EDT, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>A good friend died this past week and I want to make a jar for the ashes. I
>have never done this--Does anyone know how big this needs to be? Or anything I
> need to keep in mind.? I've never seen a jar for ashes. Thanks. J. melchior
>
I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. I hope the following can help.
I have experience with this. I use 6 lbs and leave a 4.5 inch opening/lid.
Make sure to have a good gallery as the funeral home will glue the lid on.
If you are like me, you should say a prayer as you create the urn....I find
making one urn takes more out of me than any dozen pots (mentally).
sam
ZALT@aol.com on sun 15 sep 96
Go to your local funeral home and ask to see what they look like. The staff
will be all to happy to show you. I did and I found that there is quite a
market for these jars.
Good Luck
Terrance F. Lazaroff
St Hubert Qc, Canada
Maridel Crawford-Brown on sun 15 sep 96
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>A good friend died this past week and I want to make a jar for the ashes. I
>have never done this--Does anyone know how big this needs to be? Or anything I
> need to keep in mind.? I've never seen a jar for ashes. Thanks. J. melchior
My husband says his father's ashes were in a box somewhat larger than
agoodsized shoe box if that is any help.
Maridel
Joanna deFelice on sun 15 sep 96
i studied ceramics for a while with a potter named thomas orr, now dept.
head at the oregon school of arts and crafts in portland, oregon. he was
then making a number of funerary urns which were approximately 8 inches
high by about 5-6 inches in diameter. you might call a few funeral homes
that do cremations and ask how much volume the ashes take up. they may also
have urns you can look at which will also give you a sense of size. hope
this helps.
prepress@cyberhighway.net
medelman@facstaff.wisc.edu on sun 15 sep 96
Melchior asks about the size a funeral jar should be.
First, let me say that there was a great deal of communication about this
almost two yrs. ago, and even people's approach to sealing a jar and
privately burying it.
When I received a commission for one fifteen yrs. ago, I phoned a funeral
parlor to obtain this very information. The answer was: no larger than a
half gallon ice cream container. A good visual statement we in the U.S. at
least can understand.
Bacia Edelman medelman@facstaff.wisc.edu
Eleanora Eden on sun 15 sep 96
Hi J:
For my cat the ashes came home in a pint chinese takeout container. and
I once was kicking around a box in the back seat of a friend's car and
she said be careful that's my grandma! the box must have not been
bigger than 6" x 6" x 8". I'd say a gallon sized container would do it.
Eleanora
Eleanora Eden 802 869-2003
Paradise Hill
Bellows Falls, VT 05101 eden@maple.sover.net
Marcia Selsor on sun 15 sep 96
I have made some. I think they should hold between 1 and a 1/2 to
2 gallons. Think of the size of gallon milk cartons for reference.
You could also see some (probably bronze) at your local mortuary.
Marcia Selsor
mjbmls@imt.net
Lisa on sun 15 sep 96
Maridel Crawford-Brown wrote:
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> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >A good friend died this past week and I want to make a jar for the ashes. I
> >have never done this--Does anyone know how big this needs to be? Or anything
> > need to keep in mind.? I've never seen a jar for ashes. Thanks. J. melchi
The urn for an adult human should be as big as a shoebox. I went to the
local funeral home and checked them out. In the state of NC there is no
law about how urns are to be made or even sealed. They can even be made
of Raku!
On another note, and I hope this is not too crass: Urns at the funeral
home are outrageously priced. The cheapest one they had was a plain box
about 6" square. It was almost $400. I _KNOW_ I can make an urn and
decorate it nicely if necessary, for much less than that! I just can't
figure out how to go about marketing such a thing. Also, I think it
would be good to provide a lower-cost alternative for people who cannot
afford the funeral home prices. Any ideas?
Dannon Rhudy on sun 15 sep 96
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you might call a few funeral homes that do cremations and ask how much volume
>
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About a half gallon size should do it. Generally, all the ashes from cremation
are not put in the funerary urn. I don't know how to be delicate about it:
they sift out the large lumps, put the finer particles in the urn.
Dannon
BALCH@HARVEY.BAKERU.EDU on sun 15 sep 96
Hello,
I come from Denmark, where creamation is most peoples choice(small
country). The "jars" come in several sizes and materials, depending
on what you want to do with the ashes ie. bury the jar or keep it
out of the ground. The jars we used for my parents were iron as they
rust away in app. 7-10 years and the graves can be annulled by choice,
the size of jars were app.12-14" tall and about 8" wide. I had made a
jar for my mothers ashes but by using high fired clay ( or any ceramics)
you must keep and upkeep the grave site for at least 25 years. We chose to
be able to renew the site every 7 years as we are not getting any younger
and live out side of Denmark. The grave yards in Denmark are some of the
most beautiful ones in the world.
Hope this helps you out!
Inge G Balch
Baker University
KS
Hertz Pottery on mon 16 sep 96
I had the unsavory job of filling the urns at the animal hospitol i worked
at once we would take the ashes and the bones that were like fired to 1700
degrees f. and crushed the bones to smallpieces with a hammer and put them
in the urns supplyed by a local potter the lid fit inside and glued quite
easily. we had some about the size of a large coffee mug for a cat or a
chihouihoui (you know a rat dog) up to about a gallon for a big dog 100 lbs
or more. some times the urn was too small so wed pack it full and trash the
rest. all the private creamations got an urn, the others were thrown in the
trash.
Just a note , if you ever fire a creamatorium dont pack it too full. it
tends to smoke like a locomotive...
you had to ask...
Erik
ps my first commition after leaving the animal hospitol and becomming a
potter was .. you guessed it "animal urns" i made forty of them and got about
$300.00 for the order not bad for 1979.
E
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> you might call a few funeral homes that do cremations and ask how much volume
>>
>>
>About a half gallon size should do it. Generally, all the ashes from cremation
>are not put in the funerary urn. I don't know how to be delicate about it:
>
> they sift out the large lumps, put the finer particles in the urn.
>
>Dannon
>
>
erik hertz
Don Goodrich on mon 16 sep 96
J. Melchior,
I don't know how standardized the containers are, but in my experience
human ashes come back from the crematorium in cans 14cm diameter X 15cm high.
A pot the size of a cookie jar will hold their contents. For further ideas,
you could visit a cemetery or mausoleum office that sells crematory urns, and
get an idea of what's being made commercially. Also, if the jar is to rest in
a niche in a mausoleum, check the niche's inside dimensions before finalizing
the design. Hope this helps.
Don Goodrich in Zion, Illinois
Dianna Mammone on mon 16 sep 96
At 11:25 PM 9/14/96 EDT, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>A good friend died this past week and I want to make a jar for the ashes. I
>have never done this--Does anyone know how big this needs to be? Or anything I
> need to keep in mind.? I've never seen a jar for ashes. Thanks. J. melchior
>
>Studio Potter magazine had a great article written by a potter as he made a
funeral urn for his lover, I believe. Or maybe it was ash glazes...Anyway
it was sometime last year and was informative as well as sensitve. If you
need the address or phone, e-mail me at above address. Good Luck,
Dianna Mammone
Art & Soul Studio
Robert Underwood on mon 16 sep 96
Since the question about urns had been asked, I would like to add to the
question. I was asked to make an urn for my best friend's 16yr old dog.
I have since made the urn, guessing at the size needed and it waits to
glazed. My question is what type of glue or sealant should be used? My
urn looks like a big ginger jar with a cup type lid.
Thank you,
Peggy Underwood in Salem, VA
Peggy Heer on tue 17 sep 96
Hi All...found this subject very interesting...my experience with funeral
jars/urns is....
One day a couple of months ago 4 young gentlemen came to my door and asked
if they could see some of my primitive fired work. They explained that
they intended to use a piece of pottery for their Dad who had passed away
with cancer a few days before. They told me their Dad was a collector of
pottery and he had admired my work. He got sick before he was able to pick
a piece for himself. I was blown away and very moved by these 4 brothers.
They ranged in age of 18 to 25. They spent over an hour or so picking up
the work, looking at the titles of the pieces, sitting on the floor in a
circle with the pieces they were choosing from and speaking in soft tones
about their Dad and which one he would like. When the choice was made they
asked if I would take visa...I had to say no and offered to give them the
piece for their Dad. I packed it up, handed it to them and they left.
About an hour later they returned with a whole lot of cash in their hands
and insisted that I take it. Their Mom had told them this is what 'Dad'
would have paid for this piece if he were here. It was much more than what
was originally on the piece. It was very hard to take but they were so
insistant I could not turn them down. They said it was for their Dad and he
would have insisted. I was very proud in the end to take the pay for the
piece and was so proud of those boys. Several weeks later I recieved a
beautiful letter from the boys and their Mother thanking me for making the
death of their father and husband a bit easier.
It was all very moving and I will remember them for a long time.
As Always in Clay and always with proud and moving moments. Peggy
Peggy Heer / Heer Pottery E-Mail p4337@connect.ab.ca
Edmonton AB, Canada
http://www.ffa.ucalgary.ca/artists/pheer/
Suvira McDonald on fri 20 sep 96
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>Maridel Crawford-Brown wrote:
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>> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>> >A good friend died this past week and I want to make a jar for the ashes. I
>> >have never done this--Does anyone know how big this needs to be? Or
>>anything
>> > need to keep in mind.? I've never seen a jar for ashes. Thanks. J.
>>melchi
>
>
>The urn for an adult human should be as big as a shoebox. I went to the
>local funeral home and checked them out. In the state of NC there is no
>law about how urns are to be made or even sealed. They can even be made
>of Raku!
>Dear lisa and others interested in the funerary urn discussion,
the marketing of these containers is currently wrapped up by Funeral homes
because they monopolise the fueral rite. It is part of our society's
repression and denial of death. If we are to bring death into a more
integrated place in the scheme of things, perhaps we could market urns via
the classifieds. Attitude change usually comes slowly, but such gestures
may help. Following the recent death of a close friend, I am about to
commence a Masters thesis and exhibition on funerary art and artefacts;
this will incorporate research into changing social attitudes to death.
It is a huge project, does any one have any suggestions?
Suvira McDonald
Ceramics Department
Southern Cross University
Lismore, N.S.W. Australia
Email: smcdon12@scu.edu.au
Hollis Engley on sat 21 sep 96
Suvira: Check out the changing traditions in funerals and memorial services
for people who have died of AIDS. Particularly among gay people, the memorial
services have become elaborate, necessary and deeply meaningful celebrations
of life. I'm a journalist as well as an amateur potter. I did a piece earlier
this year about the changes here in the US. No doubt someting similar is
happening in Australia. I'm happy to send you a copy if you're interested.
The AIDS epidemic is a horrible thing, but the celebrations that have come
out of it have been quite remarkable.
Hollis Engley
Gannett News Service
1000 Wilson Blvd.
Arlington, Va. 22229 USA
or HOLLISPOT@AOL.COM
JMELCHIO@VUNET.VINU.EDU on fri 18 jul 97
I jhave a collection of interesting items on funeral jars from last fall on
clayart. If you would like me to send copies, send me your address, and I'll
be happy to drop what I have in the mail. What I remember the most, is that
they are smaller than I had thought they would be. Sincerely, Jeanne. My
e-mail address is: jmelchior@vunet.vinu.edu
Corinne P. Null on sat 19 jul 97
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>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Melchior asks about the size a funeral jar should be.
>
>First, let me say that there was a great deal of communication about this
>almost two yrs. ago, and even people's approach to sealing a jar and
>privately burying it.
>
>When I received a commission for one fifteen yrs. ago, I phoned a funeral
>parlor to obtain this very information. The answer was: no larger than a
>half gallon ice cream container. A good visual statement we in the U.S. at
>least can understand.
>
>Bacia Edelman medelman@facstaff.wisc.edu
>
>
Corinne Null
Bedford, NH
cnull@mv.mv.com
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