Hrnce@aol.com on fri 5 sep 97
Just wondering how many of those ITC enthusiasts have actual data to support
their claims. I for once could not resist promises and sprayed my Skutt with
this stuff (against the advice of the Skutt technical staff I must admit).
Nothing horrible happened but no promised savings in energy either.(I have a
meter installed on my kiln and know exactly how many kWh each of my firings
used.)
Jiri in Berkeley
Talbott on sat 6 sep 97
Good point.. and if that stuff starts to flake off of the kiln walls and
roof during a glaze fire then you are "SCREWED" big time... If it doesn't
flake sooner then you can bet it will flake later.... somethings called
"gravity" and "expansion and contraction" causes that to happen
EVENTUALLY... ..Marshall
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Just wondering how many of those ITC enthusiasts have actual data to support
>their claims. I for once could not resist promises and sprayed my Skutt with
>this stuff (against the advice of the Skutt technical staff I must admit).
>Nothing horrible happened but no promised savings in energy either.(I have a
>meter installed on my kiln and know exactly how many kWh each of my firings
>used.)
>Jiri in Berkeley
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Malone & Dean McRaine on sun 7 sep 97
Aloha all:
I, too saw marginal improvement in my elec kiln with ITC 100. Firing is
slightly shorter (30 min in a 10 hr firing) and it seemed harder to get up
to top temp. Not worth the $150. I already have extra fiber insulation,
21/2" of brick never seemed enough for ^10. Maybe I already had all the
efficiency I could get??
Dean
David Woodin Set Clayart Digest on mon 8 sep 97
ITC material doesn't flake off. It is an industrial product and used by
industry worldwide. They wouldn"t be in business if it flaked off.
David Woodin Set Clayart Digest on mon 8 sep 97
The biggest benefit you will see is that after many firings your bricks
haven't crumbled.
Clennell on mon 8 sep 97
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Just wondering how many of those ITC enthusiasts have actual data to support
>their claims. I for once could not resist promises and sprayed my Skutt with
>this stuff (against the advice of the Skutt technical staff I must admit).
>Nothing horrible happened but no promised savings in energy either.(I have a
>meter installed on my kiln and know exactly how many kWh each of my firings
>used.)
>Jiri in Berkeley
Dear Jiri: The jury is still out on the energy savings of ITC. The people
are waiting for the verdict to be handed down from the highest court in the
land. We have collected testimonials from potter friends that have claimed
from 10% to 50% savings using medium to large sized solid fuel kilns. The
smaller electric kilns have not reported the same savings. Could it be
economy of scale in practice. Our wood kiln fired 2 hours quicker after
spraying. Was it the wood, the atmosphere, our stoking, the packing or the
ITC? Our gas kiln fired off about 3 hours quicker after spraying with ITC
100 and doing some brick repair work with ITC 200. We are now in the habit
of doing a soak instead of coaxing the kiln to cone 10. Are we better
kilnspeople now?
I do know that we sprayed the kiln and the furniture in both cases. To
spray the kiln and then load up a large mass of furniture and pots and
expect the energy savings to be significant is expecting alot. Because the
material is fairly expensive in relationship to a can of paint I think
people tend to be a little stingy in the use of it and then holler that it
doesn't work. It has worked for so many of us but I always tell people to
buy more than what they have calculated and do the entire kiln and
furniture. If I were looking for savings in a small electric kiln I would
spray the entire kiln, furniture and probably coat the elements with ITC
213. If it cost $5.00 to fire a small electric kiln and you receive a 10%
savings a 50 cent saving on the amp meter is hard to monitor. It is maybe
here that those of us with bigger kilns find the savings worthwhile.
I hope where you will receive your monies worth is in the longevity of the
kiln and elements. I really don't think I would have a kiln without it now.
As an after thought - I saw a teapot of Liz Willoughby's in a show with a
beautiful black temnoku glaze on one side and a boring brown on the other
side. I asked Liz how this happened. She said the black side was facing
the back wall of her newly sprayed kiln. This lead me to believe in the
reflective qualities of ITC 100. It also made me puzzle over how to have
the reflective thing happen throughout the kiln. Saggars, maybe? I opted
for spraying the shelves.
Let's see what everyone else has to say.
Keep firing and keep being forward thinking.
Long may your chimney smoke!
Tony
Sheila and Tony Clennell
Gleason Brook Pottery
Box l0, RR#2,
Wiarton, Ontario
NOH 2TO
Canada
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Fax # 1 (519) 534-0602
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Dave Ruminski on tue 9 sep 97
I have not seen any mention of using ITC on thermocouples. If it works
on elements can it be used to protect thermocouples? The thought came
to mind as I was repairing a thermocouple end yesterday.
>>> David Woodin Set Clayart Digest 09/08/97
09:36am >>>
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
ITC material doesn't flake off. It is an industrial product and used by
industry worldwide. They wouldn"t be in business if it flaked off.
Brian Leu on tue 9 sep 97
There have been some suggestions to spray ITC on the elements. Will there
be problems when you need to replace the elements? Doesn't the ITC form a
hard shell?
Aloha,
Brian Leu
Clennell on tue 9 sep 97
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Good point.. and if that stuff starts to flake off of the kiln walls and
>roof during a glaze fire then you are "SCREWED" big time... If it doesn't
>flake sooner then you can bet it will flake later.... somethings called
>"gravity" and "expansion and contraction" causes that to happen
>EVENTUALLY... ..Marshall
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> Details will be forth coming!!!
>
> Celia & Marshall Talbott, Pottery By Celia, Route 114, P O Box 4116,
> Naples, Maine 04055-4116,(207)693-6100 voice and fax,(call first)
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Dear Marshall: I don't think you have ever seen or used ITC l00. When it
is sprayed on insulating brick, it becomes part of it. It is not a thick
coating like kiln wash or slurry that could fall off. It is absorbed like
water into the insulating brick. I think you should do yourself a favour
and order some, spray it on your kiln and then and only then broadcast to
Clayart what it does or does not do.
Try it , you'll like it!
Cheers,
Tony
Sheila and Tony Clennell
Gleason Brook Pottery
Box l0, RR#2,
Wiarton, Ontario
NOH 2TO
Canada
Phone # 1 (519) 534-2935
Fax # 1 (519) 534-0602
E-mail clennell@bmts.com
Clennell on tue 9 sep 97
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Aloha all:
>I, too saw marginal improvement in my elec kiln with ITC 100. Firing is
>slightly shorter (30 min in a 10 hr firing) and it seemed harder to get up
>to top temp. Not worth the $150. I already have extra fiber insulation,
>21/2" of brick never seemed enough for ^10. Maybe I already had all the
>efficiency I could get??
>Dean
Dear Dean: You can't only measure your energy savings by the time of the
firing. You must also consider the amps used. I wouldn't kick a 1/2 hour
shorter firing either. If this is a small 8 cubic foot kiln and is fired
several times a week this could represent a significant savings over the
course of a year. We must also consider the fact that if every potter in
North America knocked off a 1/2 hour of their firings we would be doing a
lot to help save this planet. I think that a bunch of people doing small
things is pretty important to the quality of life we enjoy in 1997.
You saved some money, saved some fuel and maybe did something for all of
us. Thanks
Cheers,
Tony
Sheila and Tony Clennell
Gleason Brook Pottery
Box l0, RR#2,
Wiarton, Ontario
NOH 2TO
Canada
Phone # 1 (519) 534-2935
Fax # 1 (519) 534-0602
E-mail clennell@bmts.com
Clennell on wed 10 sep 97
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>
>There have been some suggestions to spray ITC on the elements. Will there
>be problems when you need to replace the elements? Doesn't the ITC form a
>hard shell?
>
>Aloha,
>Brian Leu
Brian: The ITC l00 that I sprayed on my elements is almost powdery to the
touch.The elements have remained soft to the touch and I can only see them
being easy to remove. It seems people have this impression that that ITC
sprayed on the kiln and elements is like parging a cement wall. The
product is more like applying rouge. Does anyone wear that anymore?
Go for the gustoo>
Cheers,
Tony
Sheila and Tony Clennell
Gleason Brook Pottery
Box l0, RR#2,
Wiarton, Ontario
NOH 2TO
Canada
Phone # 1 (519) 534-2935
Fax # 1 (519) 534-0602
E-mail clennell@bmts.com
Talbott on wed 10 sep 97
Forgive me for not researching this matter first before making
judgements... I am skeptical by nature on this sort of thing... How long
has this ITC 100 been in use? There must be some scientific research
around to validate all of the claims about its properties.... If so would
someone please send me a copy of this data, claims (not flaking.. being one
I want to see in print) and other characteristics... ...Marshall
>Dear Marshall: I don't think you have ever seen or used ITC l00. When it
>is sprayed on insulating brick, it becomes part of it. It is not a thick
>coating like kiln wash or slurry that could fall off. It is absorbed like
>water into the insulating brick. I think you should do yourself a favour
>and order some, spray it on your kiln and then and only then broadcast to
>Clayart what it does or does not do.
>Try it , you'll like it!
>Cheers,
>Tony
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Talbott on thu 11 sep 97
It is weird that one cannot get FACTS and from the company that makes it...
Don't believe me... then just try to do so yourself.... I have not ever
used it but I wonder if one TRUELY does get better glaze firing results...
Industrial product? Better think again... The engineers would know if it
were... Does anyone out there really know what the hell they are talking
about on the ITC 100?... Why do manufactures refuse to give potential
customers documented scientific data and facts?... Guess I am just not
capable of believing everything I hear.. Send me the facts and if I am
wrong on this I will certainly send my apologies... ...Marshall
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Mark Issenberg on fri 12 sep 97
Hi Marshall and Everyone else: I sprayed my old Alpine with ITC last
year. It has held up perfectly. There is no flaking at all. Period.
It works great. I had bought the sprayer through the ITC people and
hooked it up to my compressor and it made it real simple. Getting ready
to load today and fire tomorrow. Also, this Alpine 24 is 4 sale for
$2500.00. Claudia and I are moving and I don't want to have to move it
to Georgia or the Maine coast.
Mark in Miami
James Henry Gorman on fri 12 sep 97
maybe it is time to research on ITC because all I'm hearing
bull from both sides !! maybe one of these kiln builders or suppliers
would like to set the research up by getting two kilns (BOTH NEW)
spray one and not the other and then start keeping records on cost, glaze
results, kiln element life and so on!
this would have to be done with out any help what so ever from
international technical ceramics,inc. Or any company that sells or
uses their products!! And apply only as the directions states!!!!
and have third party to over see project, just to make sure it stays
up and up!!!
JIM GORMAN
Talbott on fri 12 sep 97
The address is:
International Technical Ceramics, Inc.
P.O. Box 1726
Ponte Vedra, Florida 32004
(904) 285-0200; Feriz and Alice Delkic
If you do get some facts from the above address then please tell us all
about it.. .....Marshall
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Talbott on sat 13 sep 97
Perhaps playing the devil's advocate on such matters is not such a bad
idea... Alice Delkic co-owner of ITC just called me on the phone and spoke
to me at length about their products... According to Alice, if applied
properly the material will not flake off.. Certainly if you have a fiber
kiln that is shedding then you have nothing to lose and everything to gain
... Alice will speak to anyone who is interested in finding out more about
the ITC products... Perhaps one day I will give it a whirl... The ITC 100
is approx $125 per gallon plus shipping... Read Nils Lou's article,
"Refractory Coatings and Their Advantages", on pg 25 of Claytimes
...Sept/Oct '97 issue. Do your homework, see others who use the products
and make an intelligent decision... ...Marshall
>International Technical Ceramics, Inc.
>P.O. Box 1726
>Ponte Vedra, Florida 32004
>(904) 285-0200; Feriz and Alice Delkic
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