Bob Pulley on sun 27 oct 96
A is experimenting with some very thin porcelain slabs. I gave him some
old nylon fibers to try out. I have never used them, nor have I used much
porcelain. The nylon is in little clumps as in chopped rope fibers.
We tried separating them by rubbing between fingers, then we wedged them
into the clay. Talk about labor intensive. Is there an easy way to
accomplish the separating of fibers and the mixing?
Robert Pulley
pulley@mail.cpbx.net
Robert Pulley
pulley@mail.cpbx.net
Shrope/Ratcliffe on mon 28 oct 96
Try mixing a handful or two +- into a 5 gallon slop/recycle clay bucket.
Mix it in well and dry it out as you normally would...ie. on a plaster
bat or your usual method. Adjust the proportions after trying out the
mix. Too much is difficult to work with, too little loses the mechanical
strength of the fibers.
Peter
http://www.charm.net/~pssr
Bliss, Kris on mon 28 oct 96
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>A is experimenting with some very thin porcelain slabs. I gave him some
>old nylon fibers to try out. I have never used them, nor have I used much
>porcelain. The nylon is in little clumps as in chopped rope fibers.
>We tried separating them by rubbing between fingers, then we wedged them
>into the clay. Talk about labor intensive. Is there an easy way to
>accomplish the separating of fibers and the mixing?
>
>Robert Pulley
>pulley@mail.cpbx.net
>
>Robert Pulley
>pulley@mail.cpbx.net
>
Ah, robert tell your friend, the best way is to add said fibers to dry
clay, mix well, add water. the dry clay will separate the fibers
during the mixing process. i'm afraid this will have to be done man-
ually cause if you add said fiber/clay to any machinery (mixers,Pug mill
etc) very bad ju ju.
Any more questions? e-mail me, ive been working with this stuff for many
years.
bliss.
kbliss@customcpu.com
13781 Arne Erickson Cir.
Anchorage, Alaska 99515
Guyla Amyx on mon 28 oct 96
Bob,
I worked with chopped nylon fibers for a few years, they're great for
making thin attenuated things that are super fragile in the bonedry
state. Wedging them into the clay will not work. You need to add them
into the slurry mix. If you make your clay via a claymaker, just add a
couple of handfulls into the slurry before you add the dry mix. If
you're using pre-pugged clay, you should dry it out, slurry it, add the
fibers, mix well, and lay out on plaster to reclaim.
Guyla Amyx
Cuesta College
San Luis Obispo, CA
Vince Pitelka on mon 28 oct 96
The nylon is in little clumps as in chopped rope fibers.
>We tried separating them by rubbing between fingers, then we wedged them
>into the clay. Is there an easy way to accomplish the separating of fibers
and the mixing?
>Robert Pulley
Robert -
I do not think it is worth it using nylon fibers unless you can add them in
the mixer. It is just too hard mixing them in by hand. I have used them
both in a Soldner mixer and an old dough mixer - one loose handful fibers
per 100 lbs. of clay. Let the mixer run at least ten or fifteen minutes
after adding the fibers and it will break down the clumps and thoroughly
disperse the fibers. But if you want to work with very large slabs,
especially if you want to handle and form while very damp and flexible, man,
it is so amazing what you can do with fiber-reinforced slabs. They can be
rolled out to less than 1/8"-thick, and then can be handled almost like
fabric. You can even spread plastic wrap on both sides of the slab and cut
it with scissors. Have fun.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka - vpitelka@Dekalb.Net
Phone - home 615/597-5376, work 615/597-6801
Appalachian Center for Crafts, Smithville TN 37166
LINDA BLOSSOM on mon 28 oct 96
Dear Robert,
I have mixed the same fibers into concrete and mortar and it mixed in
easily. My guess would be to put them into water first and mix until they
are separated and then remove them from the water and add to the clay. It
would be a lot easier if you were mixing your own clay or your friend was.
It really should be added when the clay is mixed.
Linda Blossom
2366 Slaterville Rd.
Ithaca, NY 14850
blossom@lightlink.com
http://www.artscape.com
607-539-7912
Don Sanami on mon 28 oct 96
Vinc P., A- Me contrary left-handed potter,etc. B- As I read the large
number of responses dealing with Nylon fibres and synthetic
lubricants..various chemical aids to throwing,I am somewhat concerned.
Admittedly I have never used anythin but clay and water.I have not read
the specs dealing with these materials.I am concerned that they may have
levels of toxicity which are ignored in the original usage in industry.
Example: The Teflon coating on frying pans at around 500of breaks down
into Phosgene gas...a terrifying war gas with which I was once exposed to
under a different condition. I suppose I must relate to most of the
potters of the past and in nearly all counties of the world: Safety as we
know it was/is almost unnecessary to speak of since the work,for the most
part is carried on out-of-doors or,in unheated environments. I have
worked for considerable periods under such conditions and my health has
not suffered. Today,in the Western world pottery-making is a luxury and
most potters tend to demand well-heated studios and,all too frequently
studios eithout even reasonable ventilation. While we often hear of the
dangersd inherent in various stains,few concerns are adressed concerning
Silaca and other materials scuffed about on the dry floor of the studio
and carried into the living quarters. Possibly many younger potters feel
they will not be potting 20 years down the road....or,just possibly they
feel invincible. Don &Isao.On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Vince Pitelka wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> The nylon is in little clumps as in chopped rope fibers.
> >We tried separating them by rubbing between fingers, then we wedged them
> >into the clay. Is there an easy way to accomplish the separating of fibers
> and the mixing?
> >Robert Pulley
>
> Robert -
> I do not think it is worth it using nylon fibers unless you can add them in
> the mixer. It is just too hard mixing them in by hand. I have used them
> both in a Soldner mixer and an old dough mixer - one loose handful fibers
> per 100 lbs. of clay. Let the mixer run at least ten or fifteen minutes
> after adding the fibers and it will break down the clumps and thoroughly
> disperse the fibers. But if you want to work with very large slabs,
> especially if you want to handle and form while very damp and flexible, man,
> it is so amazing what you can do with fiber-reinforced slabs. They can be
> rolled out to less than 1/8"-thick, and then can be handled almost like
> fabric. You can even spread plastic wrap on both sides of the slab and cut
> it with scissors. Have fun.
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka - vpitelka@Dekalb.Net
> Phone - home 615/597-5376, work 615/597-6801
> Appalachian Center for Crafts, Smithville TN 37166
>
Phil Davenport on tue 29 oct 96
Bob:
Try using the fiberglass from furnace filters- sandwich between two thin
slabs and roll that slab out to the desired thickness. The piece of
fiberglass will not spread out like the clay so it will have to be the
size you need or you can cut the clay and fiberglass down to size with a
pair of sissors.
Good Luck.
Phil Davenport
Garland, Tx
On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Bob Pulley wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> A is experimenting with some very thin porcelain slabs. I gave him some
> old nylon fibers to try out. I have never used them, nor have I used much
> porcelain. The nylon is in little clumps as in chopped rope fibers.
> We tried separating them by rubbing between fingers, then we wedged them
> into the clay. Talk about labor intensive. Is there an easy way to
> accomplish the separating of fibers and the mixing?
>
> Robert Pulley
> pulley@mail.cpbx.net
>
> Robert Pulley
> pulley@mail.cpbx.net
>
The TRIAD Group on wed 30 oct 96
I did it the easy way. I jsut bought 100 lbs of clay with nylon
fibers from Seattle Pottery Supply. I paid $26.50 for 100 lbs in 4
bags. They had red and white, low and high fire. I haven't tied it
out yet. Sure seems easier than mixing and wedging.
Kat in Kirkland
Pamela Jo Stamper on sun 3 nov 96
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Vinc P., A- Me contrary left-handed potter,etc. B- As I read the large
>number of responses dealing with Nylon fibres and synthetic
>lubricants..various chemical aids to throwing,I am somewhat concerned.
>Admittedly I have never used anythin but clay and water....
I brought up the throwing libricant. Curiosity got the better of
my judgement. Actually I really wondered if anyone out there was using
such strange stuff. The potter who invented it also had an upside down
throwing wheel--(he would turn it over after centering so that the pot was
suspended, reverse direction, and pull rather that throw a tall pot.)
Strand days indeed!
Pamela North Oregon Coast
Olivia T Cavy on tue 11 jan 00
Hello Clayarters,
After making large labels for my glaze ingredients (I used the largest
size font that would fit on traditional mailing labels) I'd like help in
finding uses for 1- nylon fibers and 2- manganese carbonate.
Yes, I know the nylon fibers aren't a glaze ingredient, but they were
sitting there with my glaze ingredients. I was surprised when I opened
the bag to see that the nylon fibers look like little feathers. If anyone
uses these feathers in ceramics, I'd appreciate hearing HOW you use them.
I also think I bought the manganese carbonate in error. I've seen
manganese dioxide as a glaze ingredient, and I understand that there can
be major health risks in inhaling or ingesting it, but, assuming that an
appropriate mask is worn when handling the powder, is there any use for
manganese carbonate?
Thanks for your help.
Bonnie
PS This is also a reading test. If anyone addresses answers to Olivia,
I'll know that person isn't a careful reader. This is Olivia's email
address, but Bonnie is the one who uses it.
Bonnie D. Hellman, Pittsburgh, PA
PA work email: oliviatcavy@juno.com (NO attachments please to this
address)
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the letters)
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chappelear on wed 12 jan 00
Some people use nylon fibers as an additive to their clay body when they
wish to handbuild thin and/or complex forms, as the fibers increase tensile
strength.
-----Original Message-----
From: Olivia T Cavy
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 10:56 AM
Subject: Nylon Fibers
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hello Clayarters,
>
>After making large labels for my glaze ingredients (I used the largest
>size font that would fit on traditional mailing labels) I'd like help in
>finding uses for 1- nylon fibers and 2- manganese carbonate.
>
>Yes, I know the nylon fibers aren't a glaze ingredient, but they were
>sitting there with my glaze ingredients. I was surprised when I opened
>the bag to see that the nylon fibers look like little feathers. If anyone
>uses these feathers in ceramics, I'd appreciate hearing HOW you use them.
>
>I also think I bought the manganese carbonate in error. I've seen
>manganese dioxide as a glaze ingredient, and I understand that there can
>be major health risks in inhaling or ingesting it, but, assuming that an
>appropriate mask is worn when handling the powder, is there any use for
>manganese carbonate?
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>Bonnie
>
>PS This is also a reading test. If anyone addresses answers to Olivia,
>I'll know that person isn't a careful reader. This is Olivia's email
>address, but Bonnie is the one who uses it.
>
>Bonnie D. Hellman, Pittsburgh, PA
>
>PA work email: oliviatcavy@juno.com (NO attachments please to this
>address)
>PA home email: mou10man@sgi.net (that's the number 10 in the middle of
>the letters)
>
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Cindy Strnad on wed 12 jan 00
Hi, Bonnie.
Greetings to you *and* Olivia. ;) Give her a bit of apple for me, okay?
The nylon fibers can be mixed into your clay body to make something akin to
paper clay, suitable for sculptural type things.
According to my understanding of Insight's data-base, Manganese Dioxide and
Manganese Carbonate are pretty much the same. I'm sure someone else will
give you more enlightenment on this one. But yes, you should use a mask. And
some people feel that manganese can be absorbed through skin contact, too,
so it may be worth a pair of gloves--always a good idea at any rate, if you
plan to glaze your hands.
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
Custer, SD
Wade Blocker on wed 12 jan 00
Dear Bonnie,
The nylon fibers are meant to be wedged into clay if you make large
platters or such, so that the bottoms will not crack.
Manganese carbonate is MnCO3 (Manganese dioxide is MnO2) both are
toxic. The carbonate is a weaker coloring agent than the dioxide. Hope this
helps. Mia in sunny and warm ABQ
Tasha Olive on thu 13 jan 00
Bonnie, the "little feathers" are used to mix with your clay body to give it
more strength in working- mainly for sculpture type applications I think,
but then maybe there are those that throw with them also???? Tasha, enjoying
76 degree weather today :<)
-----Original Message-----
From: Olivia T Cavy
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 8:58 AM
Subject: Nylon Fibers
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hello Clayarters,
>
>After making large labels for my glaze ingredients (I used the largest
>size font that would fit on traditional mailing labels) I'd like help in
>finding uses for 1- nylon fibers and 2- manganese carbonate.
>
>Yes, I know the nylon fibers aren't a glaze ingredient, but they were
>sitting there with my glaze ingredients. I was surprised when I opened
>the bag to see that the nylon fibers look like little feathers. If anyone
>uses these feathers in ceramics, I'd appreciate hearing HOW you use them.
>
>I also think I bought the manganese carbonate in error. I've seen
>manganese dioxide as a glaze ingredient, and I understand that there can
>be major health risks in inhaling or ingesting it, but, assuming that an
>appropriate mask is worn when handling the powder, is there any use for
>manganese carbonate?
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>Bonnie
>
>PS This is also a reading test. If anyone addresses answers to Olivia,
>I'll know that person isn't a careful reader. This is Olivia's email
>address, but Bonnie is the one who uses it.
>
>Bonnie D. Hellman, Pittsburgh, PA
>
>PA work email: oliviatcavy@juno.com (NO attachments please to this
>address)
>PA home email: mou10man@sgi.net (that's the number 10 in the middle of
>the letters)
>
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WHew536674@cs.com on thu 13 jan 00
Bonnie,
Funny you should mention manganese carb. I was using it today mixing up
glazes. it is not as strong as manganese dixo. Try mixing it in some glazes
along with cobalt or copper, or all 3 and alone, and see the results.
Joyce A
ferenc jakab on thu 13 jan 00
For how long? Don't the fibres promote cracking as the clay shrinks and
dries around the fibres? Won't they burn out? Won't they cause noxious
fumes? Etc. Etc.
Feri.
Reynolds, Cynthia on fri 14 jan 00
i used the nylon fibers with great success in large sculptural works in a
cone 6 clay body. i added about a generous handful to 125 pounds of wet clay
in the mixer, and this seemed to work well. it really adds to the strength,
as the pieces i was making had been self-destructing before i started to use
the nylon.
Cynthia Reynolds
> ----------
> From: Tasha Olive[SMTP:trolive@trailnet.com]
> Reply To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 4:36 PM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
> Subject: Re: Nylon Fibers
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Bonnie, the "little feathers" are used to mix with your clay body to give
> it
> more strength in working- mainly for sculpture type applications I think,
> but then maybe there are those that throw with them also???? Tasha,
> enjoying
> 76 degree weather today :<)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Olivia T Cavy
> To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
> Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 8:58 AM
> Subject: Nylon Fibers
>
>
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >Hello Clayarters,
> >
> >After making large labels for my glaze ingredients (I used the largest
> >size font that would fit on traditional mailing labels) I'd like help in
> >finding uses for 1- nylon fibers and 2- manganese carbonate.
> >
> >Yes, I know the nylon fibers aren't a glaze ingredient, but they were
> >sitting there with my glaze ingredients. I was surprised when I opened
> >the bag to see that the nylon fibers look like little feathers. If anyone
> >uses these feathers in ceramics, I'd appreciate hearing HOW you use them.
> >
> >I also think I bought the manganese carbonate in error. I've seen
> >manganese dioxide as a glaze ingredient, and I understand that there can
> >be major health risks in inhaling or ingesting it, but, assuming that an
> >appropriate mask is worn when handling the powder, is there any use for
> >manganese carbonate?
> >
> >Thanks for your help.
> >
> >Bonnie
> >
> >PS This is also a reading test. If anyone addresses answers to Olivia,
> >I'll know that person isn't a careful reader. This is Olivia's email
> >address, but Bonnie is the one who uses it.
> >
> >Bonnie D. Hellman, Pittsburgh, PA
> >
> >PA work email: oliviatcavy@juno.com (NO attachments please to this
> >address)
> >PA home email: mou10man@sgi.net (that's the number 10 in the middle of
> >the letters)
> >
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