Marcia Selsor on wed 9 jul 97
In Spain, the Patron Saints of pottery are Justa and Rufina, two sisters
who were martyred by the Romans for selling pots on a Roman
religious day. One went to the lions and the other to the rack. They
were from the pottery barrio of Triana in Sevilla.
Justa is also the Patron of Sevilla. They are mostly pictured with
pots at their feet, a lion and the tower of Sevilla between them.
Portraits by Murillo and Goya are most famous. They are commonly found
in pottery factories (of hand made work) and on tiles in homes of
potters and on the outside of potteries in places like Puente de
Arzobispo, Manises,
etc.
Marcia in Montana
just back from Spain
In Agost, there is a chapel to these saints in the barrio of potteries
which was founded in 1820 by several pottery families.
--
Marcia Selsor
http://www.imt.net/~mjbmls/
mjbmls@imt.net
George Mackie on thu 10 jul 97
Marcia- thats very interesting, but pottery predates Christianity indeed
civilization and there must have been many pagan gods and goddesses some
of whom may have become subsumed into the Christian ones as so often
happened. Does anyone know about the pagan ones? george
On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Marcia Selsor wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> In Spain, the Patron Saints of pottery are Justa and Rufina, two sisters
> who were martyred by the Romans for selling pots on a Roman
> religious day. One went to the lions and the other to the rack. They
> were from the pottery barrio of Triana in Sevilla.
> Justa is also the Patron of Sevilla. They are mostly pictured with
> pots at their feet, a lion and the tower of Sevilla between them.
> Portraits by Murillo and Goya are most famous. They are commonly found
> in pottery factories (of hand made work) and on tiles in homes of
> potters and on the outside of potteries in places like Puente de
> Arzobispo, Manises,
> etc.
> Marcia in Montana
> just back from Spain
> In Agost, there is a chapel to these saints in the barrio of potteries
> which was founded in 1820 by several pottery families.
>
> --
> Marcia Selsor
> http://www.imt.net/~mjbmls/
> mjbmls@imt.net
>
Bill Walker on thu 10 jul 97
I don't know about the patron saint of pottery, but Saint Patrick
is the Patron Saint of Ceramic Engineers. The reason is that he
is said to have introduced cement into Ireland.
Bill Walker
walkerw@bigvax.alfred.edu
Alfred, NY USA
548984 on fri 11 jul 97
> but pottery predates Christianity indeed
> civilization and there must have been many pagan gods and goddesses some
> of whom may have become subsumed into the Christian ones as so often
> happened.
Pottery, it would seem, is/was an indicator of civilization. It's
antiquity could never be disputed, but in order to make pottery a
certain, if basic, level of infrastructure is essential -- gotta have
suitable material, means to clean it up, essential tools, drying
accomodations, and, of course, some way to fire it. It is doubtful that
such infrastructure could have been maintained by nomadic peoples -- one
doesn't see Mongolian tribes or Lapps making pots.
--
Heisenberg may have been here.......
Lisa or Ginny on fri 11 jul 97
Dunno about pottery, but I always consider Hephestus (Vulcan) to be the
god of Firing, since he presides over fire and forge.
--
Lisa Skeen
Living Tree Pottery & Soaps
http://www.uncg.edu/~lpskeen
YesIAmRU?
Thomas Clark on mon 14 jul 97
Original Message:
> but pottery predates Christianity indeed
> civilization and there must have been many pagan gods and goddesses some
> of whom may have become subsumed into the Christian ones as so often
> happened.
Pottery, it would seem, is/was an indicator of civilization. It's
antiquity could never be disputed, but in order to make pottery a
certain, if basic, level of infrastructure is essential -- gotta have
suitable material, means to clean it up, essential tools, drying
accomodations, and, of course, some way to fire it. It is doubtful that
such infrastructure could have been maintained by nomadic peoples -- one
doesn't see Mongolian tribes or Lapps making pots.
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What about the early Jomon peoples of ancient Japan? They were nomadic,
preagricultural peoples who made pots! There are pottery shards that date to
the Incipient Jomon period (c. 10,500-8000 B.C.E). - Penelope Mason, The
History of Japanese Art
Sorry I don't know more about the actual issue, pagan gods and goddesses.
-Amber Geiger
Sapporo, Japan
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