cape1764@biddeford.com on thu 2 may 96
Howdy all... There was a glaze back in the past I still remember with great
fondness. One of the other students used it at Alfred during the mid 70's It
was a ^9-10 Persimmon that had great texture. Sort of semi-gloss to almost matt
with depth. It was brown where it was too thick but broke to a medium purple
with hints of orange red. Kinda mottled. Sound familiar? I looked it the
clayart database and found two ^6 brown persimmons but they aren't it. Any
ideas? TIA, Tracy
Jim Connell on thu 2 may 96
WINTHROP UNIVERSITY Electronic Mail Message
Date: 02-May-1996 09:38am EDT
From: James Connell
CONNELLJ
Dept: Art and Design
Tel No: 323-2126
TO: SMTP%"CLAYART@lsv.uky.edu" ( _SMTP%"CLAYART@lsv.uky.edu" )
Subject: RE: Persimmon Glaze
The Persimmon Blue glaze we use here is:
G-200 8400
flint 1680
whiting 1680
red iron ox. 240
rutile 360
cobalt carb. 60
bentonite 360
This is not a semi matt glaze though. It is shiny and breaks brown to blue My
students keep it rather thick in the bucket for the desired blue and it doesn't
seem to run very much at all. I have had a problem with this glaze settling in
the bottom of the bucket if not stirred a lot. If it does settle it not only is
hard to get back into solution but it doesn't seem to fire the same-go figure.
Lately the new product Great Lakes suppliers have put out (Got it at NCECA)
called Flox has been wonderful for the problem.
It is a blue glaze but a nice blue glaze and it works well with a lot of other
glazes.
Jim
Michelle Lowe on thu 2 may 96
At 6:48 AM 5/2/96 -0400, cape1764@biddeford.com wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Howdy all... There was a glaze back in the past I still remember with great
>fondness. One of the other students used it at Alfred during the mid 70's It
>was a ^9-10 Persimmon that had great texture. Sort of semi-gloss to almost matt
>with depth. It was brown where it was too thick but broke to a medium purple
>with hints of orange red. Kinda mottled. Sound familiar? I looked it the
>clayart database and found two ^6 brown persimmons but they aren't it. Any
>ideas? TIA, Tracy
Sounds like this one, I used at ASU when I was up there:
Persimmon cone 9-10 redux
Custer Spar 70
Flint 14
Whiting 14
Bentonite 3
Iron 2
Rutile 3
Hope it's the one for you :)
Mishy
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Sue Hintz on fri 3 may 96
I am looking for a cone 5 -6 matt glaze, semi-transparent that doesn't move
much--hopefully something that breaks. You can e-mail me directly at
shintz@cluster.unca.edu
Thanks for the anticipated help!
Ronald D. Hicks on sat 4 may 96
Try looking at the Rutile Blue glazes.....sometimes they're called persimmon.
Iron rutile blue, Rutile blue, etc.
Good luck!
Ron in Kansas City.
Sam Cuttell on mon 13 may 96
At 05:18 PM 5/2/96 EDT, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>
>WINTHROP UNIVERSITY Electronic Mail Message
> Date: 02-May-1996 09:38am EDT
> From: James Connell
> CONNELLJ
> Dept: Art and Design
> Tel No: 323-2126
>
>TO: SMTP%"CLAYART@lsv.uky.edu" ( _SMTP%"CLAYART@lsv.uky.edu" )
>
>
>Subject: RE: Persimmon Glaze
>
>The Persimmon Blue glaze we use here is:
>
>G-200 8400
>flint 1680
>whiting 1680
>red iron ox. 240
>rutile 360
>cobalt carb. 60
>bentonite 360
>
>
>This is not a semi matt glaze though. It is shiny and breaks brown to blue My
>students keep it rather thick in the bucket for the desired blue and it doesn't
>seem to run very much at all. I have had a problem with this glaze settling in
>the bottom of the bucket if not stirred a lot. If it does settle it not only is
>hard to get back into solution but it doesn't seem to fire the same-go figure.
>Lately the new product Great Lakes suppliers have put out (Got it at NCECA)
>called Flox has been wonderful for the problem.
>
>It is a blue glaze but a nice blue glaze and it works well with a lot of other
>glazes.
>
>
>Jim
>
Hi Jim:
What cone do you fire this glaze to? Ox or redux? Has it been tried in ^10
ox? If so, what does it look like?
AND
Is bentonite necessary? It's my understanding that bentonite is added to
keep glazes from settling. I used Maccaloid - it works great! Will
deleting the bentonite affect the glaze in any way?
Questions, questions!! Hope you have the answers! :) :) :) :) :) :)
sam - alias the cat lady
down to 14 as of 12:15 today :*(
Jim Connell on mon 13 may 96
WINTHROP UNIVERSITY Electronic Mail Message
Date: 13-May-1996 10:13am EDT
From: James Connell
CONNELLJ
Dept: Art and Design
Tel No: 323-2126
TO: SMTP%"CLAYART@lsv.uky.edu" ( _SMTP%"CLAYART@lsv.uky.edu" )
Subject: Re: Persimmon Glaze
A couple of weeks ago I sent in a receipt for Persimmon Blue and forgot to give
the temp and atmosphere. It is a cone 10 reduction glaze. I haven't tried it
in oxidation.
Sorry for the ommission.
Jim
David L. Bowler on wed 15 may 96
I inadvertently lost the persimmon glaze formula sent by Sam. Please send
it again and say whether you use it with gas or electric kiln and what cone
you fire at. Thanks.
Sam Cuttell on wed 15 may 96
At 11:50 AM 5/15/96 EDT, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I inadvertently lost the persimmon glaze formula sent by Sam. Please send
>it again and say whether you use it with gas or electric kiln and what cone
>you fire at. Thanks.
>
I got this glaze from Clayart group
Persimmon Blue ^10 redux
840 G-200
168 Flint
168 Whiting
24 RIO
36 Rutile
6 Cob. Carb
36 Bentonite
Comments were to the effect that: Shiny - brown, breaks blue. Apply thick
for blue. Settles quickly.
My questions were:
What does this glaze do in ox?
AND
Bentonite - is this an actually ingredient - or is it simply used to prevent
settling. Can this ingredient be ommitted/replaced? I use Maccaloid for
"cement" glazes which works wonders.
TIA for all the help.
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