Terrance Lazaroff on mon 4 nov 96
Enough is enough. I would like to jump in here and ask Faith why hasn't she
looked up a cone 8 crackle glaze at the local library. I can understand
someone looking for a very different and difficult glaze formula but to ask a
glaze formula for one that is easily found tells me that the ceramist/potter
is not really interested in learning about the medium.
There are many publications that list thousands of glaze formulas. Take the
time to read some of them. If it is theory you want, then take a course
from a professional.
Then if all else fails then seek help from local potters. Be careful that
you do not ask them for their best selling glaze recipies. They may have
spent 10 years developing it. Why should they just give it to you.
For what it is worth
Terrance F. Lazaroff
St-Hubert, Quebec, CANADA!!!!!
Don Sanami on wed 6 nov 96
I'm with you Terrance. My youngest son explained the situation to me:
"The problem is that few people wish to take the time to experiment
preferring to ride to fame on others coattails and experience." Making
pots can be a genuine life-long learning experience or it will only be a
mere assembly job. The role of the Artist potter,(Or whatever medium) is
not to prewsent completed work but to explore and solve problems. The
best work often ends up on the strudio floor or in the slop jare. Thanks.
Don H.MorrillOn Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Terrance Lazaroff wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Enough is enough. I would like to jump in here and ask Faith why hasn't she
> looked up a cone 8 crackle glaze at the local library. I can understand
> someone looking for a very different and difficult glaze formula but to ask a
> glaze formula for one that is easily found tells me that the ceramist/potter
> is not really interested in learning about the medium.
>
> There are many publications that list thousands of glaze formulas. Take the
> time to read some of them. If it is theory you want, then take a course
> from a professional.
>
> Then if all else fails then seek help from local potters. Be careful that
> you do not ask them for their best selling glaze recipies. They may have
> spent 10 years developing it. Why should they just give it to you.
>
> For what it is worth
>
> Terrance F. Lazaroff
> St-Hubert, Quebec, CANADA!!!!!
>
John Post on wed 6 nov 96
Terrance,
Faith asked me to post her request for a cone 8 crackle glaze because I told
her that many potters on this list are readily willing to share their glazes
& technical information. In fact in the original posting it stated that she
was just looking to use the glaze recipes as "a starting point for her own
exploration and testing". Amazingly, and as usual, several potters on this
list have generously shared their recipes with her.
In your posting you state >I can understand
>>someone looking for a very different and difficult glaze formula but to ask a
>>glaze formula for one that is easily found tells me that the ceramist/potter
>>is not really interested in learning about the medium.
Are you implying that only the very different and difficult questions can be
discussed here on the list? There have been several postings about
"centering" lately. Are these ceramist/potters really not interested in
learning about the medium either? After all there are many publications and
videos that show you how to center. What you may think of as a "stupid
question" is actually something that someone else doesn't know YET.
You also state >Then if all else fails then seek help from local potters.
Why does all else have to fail before one should seek help from local
potters? I like to think of this list as my way to access a group of "local
potters". Are you suggesting that anyone who has a question be required to
exhaust all other resources before posting it to this list? Wouldn't that
be just a little bit silly and defeat the whole purpose of a list like this?
John Post
At 11:31 PM 11/4/96 EST, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Enough is enough. I would like to jump in here and ask Faith why hasn't she
>looked up a cone 8 crackle glaze at the local library. I can understand
>someone looking for a very different and difficult glaze formula but to ask a
>glaze formula for one that is easily found tells me that the ceramist/potter
>is not really interested in learning about the medium.
>
>There are many publications that list thousands of glaze formulas. Take the
>time to read some of them. If it is theory you want, then take a course
>from a professional.
>
>Then if all else fails then seek help from local potters. Be careful that
>you do not ask them for their best selling glaze recipies. They may have
>spent 10 years developing it. Why should they just give it to you.
>
>For what it is worth
>
>Terrance F. Lazaroff
>St-Hubert, Quebec, CANADA!!!!!
>
Ken Moore on thu 7 nov 96
>>Enough is enough. I would like to jump in here and ask Faith why hasn't she
>>looked up a cone 8 crackle glaze at the local library. I can understand
>>someone looking for a very different and difficult glaze formula but to ask a
>>glaze formula for one that is easily found tells me that the ceramist/potter
>>is not really interested in learning about the medium.
This post really irked me, too. I am not and do not ever plan to be an
expert in glaze. My true interest and talent are in form. Why should I work
through the frustrations and failures of testing hundreds of unfriendly
glazes from books in the library when people on this list will willingly
share their tried and trues with me? A little testing is still necessary,
but the ratio of success to failures is so much better through those
gathered here. Do you consider the glazebase site a cop-out?
Faith, any recipe I've got that you want is yours!
Julie
Manassas, VA
Terrance Lazaroff on fri 8 nov 96
John;
You are undoubtly upset at my response to your request for a cone 8 crackle
glaze.
I knew you would be. It is only human nature to practice selective hearing
(in this case, reading).
Lets take a look at what was written.
First a Question. "why hasn't she looked up a cone 8 crackle glaze at the
local library." ? If she had searched the library and come up with a glaze
recipe to us as a start point then I might not have been asking my question
because she would have solved the delema on her own. If a person reasearches
the libraries and any available publications their dedication and interest
will provided them with the soulution to their questions and in the mean time
they will have gained a bit more knowledg than they originally required.
This in turn would allow them to come to the assistance to those who are
experiencing real problems. In this case my response would have differed.
I realized the point that I was making would have made both positive and
negative feelings to many on the net. You happened to have chosed the
negative. I feel bad as I was offering my advice on how you could help mold
a real potter.
You also implied that the question being asked as being "stupid". I ask you
to reread my response and tell me where I used such words.
The reason why all else have to fail before one should seek help is very
important in any walk of life. When we gain valuable "stuff" easily we do
not regard it as valuable. What comes easily, goes just as easily.
As for the wheel questions. The difference here is that wheel work is a
manul. You can read about it till the cows come home and not see the light
at the end of the tunnel. A glaze recipe it there, and remember it is
required as a start point. So I assume the Faith has the knowledge to
understand what she is reading.
Suggesting that all other resources be exhausted before posting this type of
request to the net is exactly what I was suggesting. In fact I was trying
very hard to be diplomatic in my wording. I could have just deleted the
request and carried on.
For what it is worth
Terrance F. Lazaroff
St Hubert, Quebec, CANADA!!!!
Terrance Lazaroff on fri 8 nov 96
Thank you!!! Your response is exactly what I was looking for. That is why I
feel that glaze request such as Faith's are really anoying. It shows the
generous ones how much their work is appreciated. After all why should any
one work when there is someone out their ready to do it for us.
The glazebase site is not a cope out as those glazes were posted for those
who choose to research their glaze recipes.
Terrance F. Lazaroff
St Hubert, Quebec, Canada!!!!
Lori Wilkinson on fri 8 nov 96
At 08:50 AM 11/8/96 EST, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Thank you!!! Your response is exactly what I was looking for. That is why I
>feel that glaze request such as Faith's are really anoying. It shows the
>generous ones how much their work is appreciated. After all why should any
>one work when there is someone out their ready to do it for us.
I think we should be careful here with statements like the above untill we
have walked in the other persons moccasins. We don't know where the other
person is at nor what we would do if we were.
I do want to thank all of you generous ones out there that aren't so
annoyed and are willing to share. It is greatly appreciated. If it were
not for the attitude of sharing there would be no list.
Lori Wilkinson
Ken Moore on sat 9 nov 96
>Suggesting that all other resources be exhausted before posting this type of
>request to the net is exactly what I was suggesting. In fact I was trying
>very hard to be diplomatic in my wording. I could have just deleted the
>request and carried on.
>
>For what it is worth
>
>Terrance F. Lazaroff
>St Hubert, Quebec, CANADA!!!!
I see ClayArt as ONE OF my "resouces", not just a last resort!
>Another point. Get on to a medical net and ask a doctor how to carry out
>open heart surgery. Let me know the response.
This is a far cry from asking for a glaze recipe with a very specific
effect. Your example would relate more to someone's coming on the list and
asking us to teach them how to make pottery. That would irk me too, but I
don't see Faith's request in this light AT ALL.
What would this list be if we were all !intimidated! into not asking for help???
Julie Moore
Dirty Bird Pottery
Manassas, VA
kenmoore@pop.erols.com
.....still looking for a used pugmill....I'll pay shipping
Gerry Barbe on sat 9 nov 96
Hi,
I've been on ClayArt for over a year and have never seen a
response such as this. Through out this year people have been caring,
generous and kind. So far, my files are filled with glaze recipes and
terrific studio hints and helps.
What a loss it would be for this spirit of generosity to wane.
Yours, Marilyn in Ailsa Craig.
> At 08:50 AM 11/8/96 EST, you wrote:
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >Thank you!!! Your response is exactly what I was looking for. That is why I
> >feel that glaze request such as Faith's are really anoying. It shows the
> >generous ones how much their work is appreciated. After all why should any
> >one work when there is someone out their ready to do it for us.
______________________________________________________________________________
Toni Martens on sat 9 nov 96
Lori wrote:
> I do want to thank all you generous ones out there that aren't so
annoyed and are willing to share..........
I couldn't agree more. I have been amazed by the helpfulness,
patience and generosity of people on this list.
It gives the feeling that one is not alone in this love affair with
the mud.
I am left wondering why a simple request caused such a palaver.
The request was polite, there was no hint of demand in it.
If the wording had gone,"Give me that recipe! I have AK 47 will
travel!!" I might have got a bit excited but no one was compelling
anyone to cough up their special,secret glazes.
Agro is a health hazard. Treat your delete button like a dust mask
and use it when needed!
Conversely the occasional internecine spat spices things up a bit and
we learn who bites and who just grrrowls.
To all those generous souls out there, a heartfelt THANK YOU.
Toni M in Durban..pondering peaceful potters.
Kurtis H. Fox, M.D. on thu 14 nov 96
Dear Terrance,
I read your letter to Faith with interest. Why be so paternalistic. I
think it is far more interesting to ask the library of the world than sit in
a quiet library at home. Besides, not everyone is lucky enough to be around
other potters or to have a local library with adequate resources.
Using the net is quite nice and is for everybody.
Faith, don't be detered by others, we are on a public street. Continue to
write and ask all you want.
This is worth a lot.
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Enough is enough. I would like to jump in here and ask Faith why hasn't she
>looked up a cone 8 crackle glaze at the local library. I can understand
>someone looking for a very different and difficult glaze formula but to ask a
>glaze formula for one that is easily found tells me that the ceramist/potter
>is not really interested in learning about the medium.
>
>There are many publications that list thousands of glaze formulas. Take the
>time to read some of them. If it is theory you want, then take a course
>from a professional.
>
>Then if all else fails then seek help from local potters. Be careful that
>you do not ask them for their best selling glaze recipies. They may have
>spent 10 years developing it. Why should they just give it to you.
>
>For what it is worth
>
>Terrance F. Lazaroff
>St-Hubert, Quebec, CANADA!!!!!
>
>
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