Mel Jacobson on thu 9 oct 97
it is always ,very disappointing, when artists choose to have a closed
exhibit, but do not let others know that before entry...it is just a very
sloppy, insecure way to show work.
it seems in this case, they got a great many people to pay for it also..
assuming there was an entry fee. (i gather there was)
any group of artists may put together an exhibit, but you do not
ask outsiders to pay for it.
our `hay creek group` had our own exhibit at kevin caufield's studio
during minnesota, nceca, he invited all of his `mentors` to show
with him.....but he sponsored the exhibit and invited the participants..it
was a very nice show, very prideful and caring.
this borders group has a great deal of ` mud in their collective faces`...now
the world knows.....i assume they are going to be very, very careful
from now on. tarnished reputations. and i hope this will be explained
and defended....perhaps we are wrong.
yet, i have had several private posts about this from other angry`texans`that
chose not to go `public` with this information...i am so glad that a
concerned student sent this in....another reason clayart
is such a strong vehicle.
mel..........have never minded mud in my crotch, hate it on my face.
http://www.pclink.com/melpots
douglas gray on fri 10 oct 97
I can honestly say that the exhibition jurors were not getting other people to
fund their private show. There was no entry fee for the Texas Potters
exhibition. At least I didn't pay one. Hey, maybe that's why i didn't get
in.....
doug
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Assistant Professor of Art, Ceramics
Francis Marion Univeristy
Florence, South Carolina 29501
dgray@fmarion.edu
Louis Katz on fri 10 oct 97
> it is always ,very disappointing, when artists choose to have a closed
> exhibit, but do not let others know that before entry...it is just a very
> sloppy, insecure way to show work.
>
> it seems in this case, they got a great many people to pay for it also..
> assuming there was an entry fee. (i gather there was)
>
> any group of artists may put together an exhibit, but you do not
> ask outsiders to pay for it.
> .........this borders group has a great deal of ` mud in their collective
faces`...now
the world knows
Mel,
Sometimes I hate email, listservs, and Usenet. Get a grip. Mel, remember
you are writing about real people, with real feelings and you should have
facts before making accusations.
Some Background.
I entered the show, and by the way got in. The work I entered is my best
work in the last twelve years. Sometimes I enter shows and don't get in. So
what.
But just to put some fact out there concerning "Within the Borders...".
1. I don't remember a fee because there was none.
2.The show is being sponsored by UT Tyler and Trinity Ceramics.
3. The Curators are probably unpaid, and will do a lot of work for YOU for
free. Most shows at NCECA are sponsored by local groups, This show will be
installed at UT Tyler and then moved, so that it will be close to the
conference. To me this sounds like a big pain, but it is what is making the
show worthwhile for the sponsors, curators, and NCECA.
4. There are about Eighteen people in the show, five of those were involved
in putting the show together, the others were juried in. How could this be
a "closed show".
5. If you were a Texas Resident hoping to have some work displayed at the
Fort Worth NCECA, would you volunteer to help put together a show if it
meant you couldn't have work at the conference?
6. The show was advertised in Ceramics Monthly for three months prior to
the deadline for entry.
Since joining the board and becoming the NCECA-Clayart communicator I have
spent far too much time defending the organization and volunteers involved
with it for things that never took place. I am tired of people slinging mud
online, and wish people would spend more time throwing it.
Louis
Talbott on fri 10 oct 97
Mel.. Do you feel it is inappropriate for there to be a small fee of $10 as
an application fee? Or would you think it better to have a larger fee of
say $30 or more as a participation fee? That way only those who are
selected to participate in an exhibit wind up paying for the costs....
Marshall
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"Rafael Molina-Rodriguez (Rafael Molina-Rodriguez)" on sat 11 oct 97
Louis :
>Mel, remember you are writing about real people, with real feelings and
>you should have facts before making accusations.
They volunteered. You're making them out to be victims.
>3. The Curators are probably unpaid, and will do a lot of work for YOU
>for free.
Again, they volunteered. Who is "YOU" the people who got in the show.
>To me this sounds like a big pain, but it is what is making the show
>worthwhile for the sponsors, curators, and NCECA.
One more time THEY VOLUNTEERED.
>4. There are about Eighteen people in the show, five of those were
>involved in putting the show together, the others were juried in. How
>could this be a "closed show".
For the five involved in putting the show together it is an unequivocal
CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
>5. If you were a Texas Resident hoping to have some work displayed at
>the Fort Worth NCECA, would you volunteer to help put together a
>show if it meant you couldn't have work at the conference?
How do you explain one artist from Colorado and two from Arkansas,
who BTW have not live in Texas for many years, who are in the show?
>6. The show was advertised in Ceramics Monthly for three months prior
>to the deadline for entry.
How does this aid in your defense?
>Since joining the board and becoming the NCECA-Clayart communicator
>I have spent far too much time defending the organization and
>volunteers involved with it for things that never took place. I am tired of
>people slinging mud online, and wish people would spend more time
>throwing it.
Did you volunteer to be the "NCECA-Clayart communicator" or is
someone making you do it?
Rafael
>>> Louis Katz 10/10/97 02:26pm >>>
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> it is always ,very disappointing, when artists choose to have a closed
> exhibit, but do not let others know that before entry...it is just a very
> sloppy, insecure way to show work.
>
> it seems in this case, they got a great many people to pay for it also..
> assuming there was an entry fee. (i gather there was)
>
> any group of artists may put together an exhibit, but you do not
> ask outsiders to pay for it.
> .........this borders group has a great deal of ` mud in their collective
faces`...now
the world knows
Mel,
Sometimes I hate email, listservs, and Usenet. Get a grip. Mel, remember
you are writing about real people, with real feelings and you should have
facts before making accusations.
Some Background.
I entered the show, and by the way got in. The work I entered is my best
work in the last twelve years. Sometimes I enter shows and don't get in.
So
what.
But just to put some fact out there concerning "Within the Borders...".
1. I don't remember a fee because there was none.
2.The show is being sponsored by UT Tyler and Trinity Ceramics.
3. The Curators are probably unpaid, and will do a lot of work for YOU
for
free. Most shows at NCECA are sponsored by local groups, This show
will be
installed at UT Tyler and then moved, so that it will be close to the
conference. To me this sounds like a big pain, but it is what is making the
show worthwhile for the sponsors, curators, and NCECA.
4. There are about Eighteen people in the show, five of those were
involved
in putting the show together, the others were juried in. How could this be
a "closed show".
5. If you were a Texas Resident hoping to have some work displayed at
the
Fort Worth NCECA, would you volunteer to help put together a show if it
meant you couldn't have work at the conference?
6. The show was advertised in Ceramics Monthly for three months prior
to
the deadline for entry.
Since joining the board and becoming the NCECA-Clayart communicator I
have
spent far too much time defending the organization and volunteers
involved
with it for things that never took place. I am tired of people slinging mud
online, and wish people would spend more time throwing it.
Louis
"Rafael Molina-Rodriguez (Rafael Molina-Rodriguez)" on sat 11 oct 97
Marshall :
>Do you feel it is inappropriate for there to be a small fee of $10 as
>an application fee? Or would you think it better to have a larger fee of
>say $30 or more as a participation fee? That way only those who are
>selected to participate in an exhibit wind up paying for the costs....
Entry fees are not the issue being discussed here. The issue is should
people RECUSE THEMSELVES FROM CONSIDERATION FOR ENTRY into a
show they are organizing/jurying. I cite the example of Dannon Rhudy
and Doug Gray in organizing but not entering the Ceramics USA
exhibition as the right thing to do.
How do the other members of the list feel about this subject?
Rafael
>>> Talbott 10/10/97 02:28pm >>>
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Mel.. Do you feel it is inappropriate for there to be a small fee of $10 as
an application fee? Or would you think it better to have a larger fee of
say $30 or more as a participation fee? That way only those who are
selected to participate in an exhibit wind up paying for the costs....
Marshall
1ST ANNUAL CLAYARTERS' GALLERY - NAPLES, MAINE
(Summer 1997)
http://fmc.utm.edu/~dmcbeth/cag/naples.htm
2nd ANNUAL CLAYARTERS' GALLERY - NAPLES, MAINE
(Summer 1998)
Details will be forth coming!!!
Celia & Marshall Talbott, Pottery By Celia, Route 114, P O Box 4116,
Naples, Maine 04055-4116,(207)693-6100 voice and fax,(call first)
Clayarters Live Chat Room, Sat Nites 10 PM EDT & Sun Afternoons at 1
PM EDT
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