Frank Colson on mon 2 apr 07
............and today, if you are Zen minded, you, clay, water, wheel, and
the entire body are all one in the same, as an entire universe of self
containment of flowing energy from the earth in which you were born
and will travel to the stars and beyond!
Frank-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beth Spindler"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Rogier....photo please of throwing dry
> refreshing...thank you. I always wondered why Seth Cardew threw in a
> houndstooth blazer and got minimal, if any clay on himself!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Rogier....photo please of throwing dry
>
>
> Hi Beth,
>
>
> If one look at any of the 19th or early 20th Century photographs of
> Potters
> at their Wheels, everyone is usually dressed pleasantly, and no one is
> ever
> messy.
>
>
> Shops or Work situations might be cluttered, but the people and their
> clothing tended to be clean.
>
> This was also generelly true of Woodshop, Machine Shop and so on.
>
>
> One sees Work Aprons, over Shirt, ( sleeves rolled up, ) Vest and Tie for
> the Men, and, the Women in whatever their versions were.
>
> Or, one sees regular for-the-day Work Clothes of a rougher or more robust
> sort, but still appearing clean.
>
> Some chores were messy, and of course people got messy doing them, but
> this
> was not usual for Potting or other manual Arts.
>
> It was not pretense for photo-ops...it was how things were, how people did
> things.
>
>
> As Lee mentioned also of Japan even to this day -
>
> Slow Wheels, little Water for Throwing, rightly prepared Clay, effecient
> technique, no slop flying around...no 'splash pans', no messyness...no
> Potters 'wearing' the Clay...little to do for clean up.
> Even Painters.
>
> When I was a House Painter I wore nice clothes, and almost never got a
> drop
> on me or anything else. If I did get a drop on me or anything else, it was
> because I was not paying attention or being present in my Work...usualy
> not
> useing any drop-cloths either...no masking...just knowing how to Apply
> Paint.
>
> ...it is all on how one does what one does, for it to be messy, or not
> messy...
>
>
> Working on old Cars, where there is lots of old grease and oil and so on
> coating everything on the Engine compartment, is messy...
>
> Oh well...
>
>
> Phil
> l v
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beth Spindler"
>
>> OK........want to see photo of shirt and tie throwing..... ;)
>> Beth in VA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dolcenea@GTE.NET
>> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>> Sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 8:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: Throwing dry and understanding why!
>>
>>
>> Hey Bonnie,
>> To which I can only add : "Amen!"... .... Age and
>> experience must have something to do with throwing dry,,, ;-)
>> All these "yung uns" who are making a muddy mess of themselves and
>> their surroundings while throwing have a lot to learn... Nothing cool
>> about having mud fly all over the place...
>>
>> Rogier (Been known to throw in tuxedo or shirt and tie...)
>>
>> See us on the web at http://www.donkerstudio.org
>>
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Beth Spindler on tue 3 apr 07
OK........want to see photo of shirt and tie throwing..... ;)
Beth in VA
-----Original Message-----
From: dolcenea@GTE.NET
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Throwing dry and understanding why!
Hey Bonnie,
To which I can only add : "Amen!"... .... Age and
experience must have something to do with throwing dry,,, ;-)
All these "yung uns" who are making a muddy mess of themselves and
their surroundings while throwing have a lot to learn... Nothing cool
about having mud fly all over the place...
Rogier (Been known to throw in tuxedo or shirt and tie...)
See us on the web at http://www.donkerstudio.org
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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on tue 3 apr 07
Hi Beth,
If one look at any of the 19th or early 20th Century photographs of Potters
at their Wheels, everyone is usually dressed pleasantly, and no one is ever
messy.
Shops or Work situations might be cluttered, but the people and their
clothing tended to be clean.
This was also generelly true of Woodshop, Machine Shop and so on.
One sees Work Aprons, over Shirt, ( sleeves rolled up, ) Vest and Tie for
the Men, and, the Women in whatever their versions were.
Or, one sees regular for-the-day Work Clothes of a rougher or more robust
sort, but still appearing clean.
Some chores were messy, and of course people got messy doing them, but this
was not usual for Potting or other manual Arts.
It was not pretense for photo-ops...it was how things were, how people did
things.
As Lee mentioned also of Japan even to this day -
Slow Wheels, little Water for Throwing, rightly prepared Clay, effecient
technique, no slop flying around...no 'splash pans', no messyness...no
Potters 'wearing' the Clay...little to do for clean up.
Even Painters.
When I was a House Painter I wore nice clothes, and almost never got a drop
on me or anything else. If I did get a drop on me or anything else, it was
because I was not paying attention or being present in my Work...usualy not
useing any drop-cloths either...no masking...just knowing how to Apply
Paint.
...it is all on how one does what one does, for it to be messy, or not
messy...
Working on old Cars, where there is lots of old grease and oil and so on
coating everything on the Engine compartment, is messy...
Oh well...
Phil
l v
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beth Spindler"
> OK........want to see photo of shirt and tie throwing..... ;)
> Beth in VA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dolcenea@GTE.NET
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 8:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Throwing dry and understanding why!
>
>
> Hey Bonnie,
> To which I can only add : "Amen!"... .... Age and
> experience must have something to do with throwing dry,,, ;-)
> All these "yung uns" who are making a muddy mess of themselves and
> their surroundings while throwing have a lot to learn... Nothing cool
> about having mud fly all over the place...
>
> Rogier (Been known to throw in tuxedo or shirt and tie...)
>
> See us on the web at http://www.donkerstudio.org
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________
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>
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> melpots@pclink.com.
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Beth Spindler on tue 3 apr 07
refreshing...thank you. I always wondered why Seth Cardew threw in a houndstooth blazer and got minimal, if any clay on himself!!
-----Original Message-----
From: pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: Rogier....photo please of throwing dry
Hi Beth,
If one look at any of the 19th or early 20th Century photographs of Potters
at their Wheels, everyone is usually dressed pleasantly, and no one is ever
messy.
Shops or Work situations might be cluttered, but the people and their
clothing tended to be clean.
This was also generelly true of Woodshop, Machine Shop and so on.
One sees Work Aprons, over Shirt, ( sleeves rolled up, ) Vest and Tie for
the Men, and, the Women in whatever their versions were.
Or, one sees regular for-the-day Work Clothes of a rougher or more robust
sort, but still appearing clean.
Some chores were messy, and of course people got messy doing them, but this
was not usual for Potting or other manual Arts.
It was not pretense for photo-ops...it was how things were, how people did
things.
As Lee mentioned also of Japan even to this day -
Slow Wheels, little Water for Throwing, rightly prepared Clay, effecient
technique, no slop flying around...no 'splash pans', no messyness...no
Potters 'wearing' the Clay...little to do for clean up.
Even Painters.
When I was a House Painter I wore nice clothes, and almost never got a drop
on me or anything else. If I did get a drop on me or anything else, it was
because I was not paying attention or being present in my Work...usualy not
useing any drop-cloths either...no masking...just knowing how to Apply
Paint.
...it is all on how one does what one does, for it to be messy, or not
messy...
Working on old Cars, where there is lots of old grease and oil and so on
coating everything on the Engine compartment, is messy...
Oh well...
Phil
l v
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beth Spindler"
> OK........want to see photo of shirt and tie throwing..... ;)
> Beth in VA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dolcenea@GTE.NET
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 8:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Throwing dry and understanding why!
>
>
> Hey Bonnie,
> To which I can only add : "Amen!"... .... Age and
> experience must have something to do with throwing dry,,, ;-)
> All these "yung uns" who are making a muddy mess of themselves and
> their surroundings while throwing have a lot to learn... Nothing cool
> about having mud fly all over the place...
>
> Rogier (Been known to throw in tuxedo or shirt and tie...)
>
> See us on the web at http://www.donkerstudio.org
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
> You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
> settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
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> melpots@pclink.com.
> ________________________________________________________________________
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Bonnie Staffel on sat 7 apr 07
I think I will chime in here again on this subject. The only time I =
have
clay on my apron is when the phone rings in the middle of throwing and I
either wipe my hands on the handy apron or use it to pick up the phone. =
. =20
For those who feel they need high speed to center or throw clay, I feel
there is a rhythm to the throwing even if using an electric wheel. I
learned on a stand up kick wheel so there was never any high speed. =
With
that experience, I felt the rhythm would give me a good pot. Too fast, =
and
it would twist, too slow and things wouldn't work right. Your head has =
to
be in the right frame of mind for each of the steps in creating a pot, =
IMO.
Bonnie Staffel, where March/April is going out like a lion. Really sick =
of
this snow and there is no sign of stopping.
http://webpages.charter.net/bstaffel/
http://vasefinder.com/bstaffelgallery1.html
DVD Throwing with Coils and Slabs
DVD Introduction to Wheel Work
Charter Member Potters Council
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