Leti Duenas on sat 21 apr 07
When as requested to participate in the survey the QUESTION WAS: NCECA
March
OR
April
Naturally, I was thinking of NCECA in New Orleans and put my two bits for
March!
It was the ONLY question in the survey!
Now it is in Pittsburg??? In March??? I withdraw my opinion!!!
Bonnie Hellman on sun 22 apr 07
Jim, I have again copied Leti's message below, and clearly Leti voted for
March, thinking New Orleans. But what I read, perhaps erroneously, is that
she does not want to go to Pittsburgh, and certainly not in March. So
perhaps she meant that the survey was misleading, but I read it to say that
she has no desire to go to Pittsburgh in March.
I'll again say that some of the best NCECAs for me have taken place in
cities that I normally wouldn't have visited as a tourist, like Louisville
and for some people, like Pittsburgh.
My point is that Pittsburgh is a pretty nice place in general, and March can
have decent weather. OTOH Pittsburgh in March can be like winter. You just
don't know until it's taking place.
Many people have an impression of Pittsburgh from the days when the street
lights came on at noon, due to the pollution in the air blocking out the
sun. Those days are so far in the past! Certainly this was not true when we
moved there in 1972. The steel mills have pretty much all shut down, and
major industries include medical services and education. We enjoyed our 33+
years of living in Pittsburgh quite a lot.
Bonnie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leti Duenas"
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: NCECA survey request
> When as requested to participate in the survey the QUESTION WAS: NCECA
> March OR April
> Naturally, I was thinking of NCECA in New Orleans and put my two bits for
> March!
> It was the ONLY question in the survey!
> Now it is in Pittsburg??? In March??? I withdraw my opinion!!!
Bonnie D. Hellman
Ouray, Colorado 81427
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----- Original Message -----
From: "jim"
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: NCECA survey request
>I might be mistaken but I don't think the subject of the post was not
> wanting to come to Pittsburgh. I for one know I do. I think it was in
> responce to the vote on whether to hold it in March or April. Her vote
> for
> March was based on New Orleans. I believe she meant that she might want
> to
> reconsider that and possibly vote for April considering the location.
> Either month I am sure they will do a great job hosting it.
>
> Jim
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: Bonnie Hellman
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:40:19 -0600
> Subject: Re: NCECA survey request
>
>> Leti, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but as someone who
>> lived in a Pittsburgh (that's PittsburgH, with an H at the end )
>> for 33+ years until we moved last June, you'd be making a mistake
>> to not attend a wonderful event like NCECA because you don't think
>> you want to come to Pittsburgh.
>>
>
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Kathy Rhoades on sun 22 apr 07
From someone who lives 80 miles north of Pittsburgh, it doesn't matter what=
month, March or April, or even May, you can't predict the weather in this =
area. January and February could easily be warmer than the those months. =
Pittsburgh is a beautiful city nestled in the hills of PA. It could be bea=
utiful there and miserable just 20 miles away. Just come and enjoy and be =
prepared for either condition. =20
=20
Those from Pittsburgh will probably fill you in on all there is to offer, m=
uch more than I know, but NCECA coming here will be a great thing for this =
area. The food is there, someone mentioned that that's their first concer=
n. http://www.primantibros.com/
http://www.meatballs.com/
just to mention two well known food venues out of the many, many more you w=
ill find. =20
=20
Something else to think about: =20
Frank Lloyd Wrights, Falling Water, is not far, approx. 45 miles, but wel=
l worth the trip. http://www.paconserve.org/index-fw1.asp and opens just =
about the time of NCECA and I highly recommend it if you're up for a day tr=
ip, say before or after NCECA. You won't be disappointed. You'll need to =
check to see what the dates are for sure, but it is mid March. =20
Just a tid bit of info about the area.
=20
Kathy Rhoades in PA
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Bonnie Hellman on sun 22 apr 07
Leti, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but as someone who lived
in a Pittsburgh (that's PittsburgH, with an H at the end ) for 33+ years
until we moved last June, you'd be making a mistake to not attend a
wonderful event like NCECA because you don't think you want to come to
Pittsburgh.
We moved to Pittsburgh in 1972, and it is a larger small town, actually
similar to Louisville, which was a very friendly place to be in. Pittsburgh
is the gateway to the Midwest, the downtown where the convention center is
located is quite accessible.
We did not leave because we disliked Pittsburgh. Quite the contrary. It was
hard to leave friends and a place where you can get tickets to cultural
events reasonably close to the event dates, where you don't have to make
restaurant reservations a month in advance, where they don't get a lot of
national conferences so they will be happy to see us, and where the
newspapers will give NCECA good press.
Frankly, I wasn't looking forward to the New Orleans classic big city
problem of crime and now with the reconstruction issues there may be more
crime. Pittsburgh is a reasonably safe place to be. It was a GREAT place to
raise children, who had exposure to all sorts of cultural activities,
seasons, hills, city, suburbs, mountains (OK, short eastern mountains )
and country within a reasonable distance. There are some very nice
restaurants not terribly far from the convention center. And the convention
center was completely rebuilt in the last few years.
Pittsburgh in March can give you are variety of weather. This year it was
warm in March. Other years you can have snow storms. You don't travel to
Pittsburgh for the weather.
So don't write off the city just because of things you might think. As for
people who only attend NCECA when it is in a city they want to visit, IMHO
you're selling yourselves short. Some of the best NCECAs I've been to,
including Louisville, have been in smaller cities that are not tourist
attractions. For me NCECA is about clayarters first, clay second, and NCECA
presentations third. No city is perfect, but the location of NCECA for me is
more important for accessibility, and pretty much every airline flies to
Pittsburgh, plus it is located near several interstates.
So don't dump on Pittsburgh if you've never been there. You'll be amazed at
the view of the city, particularly at night, through the Fort Pitt tunnels
if you arrive from the west.
My 2 cents.
Bonnie
Bonnie D. Hellman
Ouray, Colorado 81427
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leti Duenas"
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: NCECA survey request
> When as requested to participate in the survey the QUESTION WAS: NCECA
> March
> OR
> April
> Naturally, I was thinking of NCECA in New Orleans and put my two bits for
> March!
> It was the ONLY question in the survey!
> Now it is in Pittsburg??? In March??? I withdraw my opinion!!!
>
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Lynne and Bruce Girrell on sun 22 apr 07
Bonnie Hellman wrote:
>you'd be making a mistake to not attend a
>wonderful event like NCECA because you don't think you want to come to
>Pittsburgh.
>
>... it is a larger small town, ...
I second what Bonnie has to say. I lived in Pittsburgh in the mid-70's as
well. I used to tell people that Pittsburgh is more like a bunch of small
towns close together than it is a big city. Geographical influences divide
the city into much smaller regions, each with its own character. Due to the
presence of the rivers, some parts of the city are too steep to build on and
remain wooded. I even encountered a ring necked pheasant while walking to
work one morning.
The rivers can make navigation a bit of a challenge. I lived there for
several weeks before I finally realized that you can get from the Fort Pitt
Bridge to Boulevard of the Allies, but you can't get from Boulevard of the
Allies to the Fort Pitt Bridge (well, not directly anyway). And the streets
will sometimes change name for no apparent reason. We'll chalk that up to
"charm".
Pittsburgh has cleaned up its act dramatically from the old days when people
would drive with headlights on during the day due to the haze from the coke
plants and steel mills (talk about a reduction atmosphere!). As a result of
downsizing and restructuring of the steel industry and newer steel making
processes, the air quality is quite good.
Yeah, it might be foggy and rainy there in March, but just hop one of the
inclines to the lookouts along Mount Washington and you'll find that the
whole city has disappeared into the mist. I always liked that.
Bruce Girrell
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jim on sun 22 apr 07
I might be mistaken but I don't think the subject of the post was not
wanting to come to Pittsburgh. I for one know I do. I think it was in
responce to the vote on whether to hold it in March or April. Her vote for
March was based on New Orleans. I believe she meant that she might want to
reconsider that and possibly vote for April considering the location.
Either month I am sure they will do a great job hosting it.
Jim
---------- Original Message -----------
From: Bonnie Hellman
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:40:19 -0600
Subject: Re: NCECA survey request
> Leti, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but as someone who
> lived in a Pittsburgh (that's PittsburgH, with an H at the end )
> for 33+ years until we moved last June, you'd be making a mistake
> to not attend a wonderful event like NCECA because you don't think
> you want to come to Pittsburgh.
>
Gregory Evans on mon 23 apr 07
I think the NCECA staff was remiss in not pointing out: March - Holy Week,
week before Easter or April - Passover.
Looks like I will not be going to the Conf. in 2008!
Leti Duenas on mon 23 apr 07
Thank you, Jim, you are right, my thought was if I had known the survey
question was for Pittsburgh (with an h on the end) my vote would have been
for April. I only know Pittsburgh from literature I have read and always
sounded an interesting place to visit (with the Allegheny river!). I loved
Louisville and would welcome another small town, welcoming, feeling place
(with history) to visit! I am sure the NCECA folks are making the right
choices for us, I do not doubt this, however, the survey lacked additional
questions, in my humble opinion, so that I might give them the proper
answer.
Leti, in very rural northern California
Bonnie Hellman on mon 23 apr 07
Hi Leti,
I apologize for mis-reading your email, and would to buy you a beer, soda,
coffee, whatever at NCECA in Pittsburgh.
I don't think that NCECA can ever schedule for April, because there are a
number of colleges and universities that are finishing their semesters at
that time and in some places in more southerly areas, fairs and festivals
are ramping up.
When we all get to "da Burgh" next March, we'll see if we are wearing winter
coats or springtime clothing. I look forward to seeing you there.
Bonnie
Bonnie D. Hellman
Ouray, Colorado 81427
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leti Duenas"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: NCECA survey request
> Thank you, Jim, you are right, my thought was if I had known the survey
> question was for Pittsburgh (with an h on the end) my vote would have been
> for April. I only know Pittsburgh from literature I have read and always
> sounded an interesting place to visit (with the Allegheny river!). I loved
> Louisville and would welcome another small town, welcoming, feeling place
> (with history) to visit! I am sure the NCECA folks are making the right
> choices for us, I do not doubt this, however, the survey lacked additional
> questions, in my humble opinion, so that I might give them the proper
> answer.
>
> Leti, in very rural northern California
>
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Leti Duenas on tue 24 apr 07
Thank you, Bonnie, I thought the responses rather interesting and look
forward to (hope to) visiting Pittsburgh and meeting you! So no apology
necessary. I might have been a bit more clear in my initial message :-)
Leti
in sunny No. CA.
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