Jennifer Boyer on sun 29 apr 07
Donna Wrote:
>
> I so wish we had a better way of keeping threads together and
> reading them
> in the list. I almost missed this. ...
>
I put together an explanation of how I manage my Clayart emails and
the subjects on the list:
http://www.thistlehillpottery.com/email.html
Hope it helps someone!
Jennifer
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Jennifer Boyer
Thistle Hill Pottery
Montpelier, VT
http://thistlehillpottery.com
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Ann Baker on mon 30 apr 07
THANK YOU Jennifer, I agree, I have just about quit reading Clayart on a
regular basis because so many people don't follow threads and it takes too
much of my time to try and sort thru it all. The "you can use the delete
button" philosophy only works easily if people follow threads. I will try
your system and hope it helps. I'm assuming I will need to change from a
digest format to getting all the individual postings?
I never have understood why readers don't just hit the reply button or cut
and paste the subject into their new email. I'm all for individualism but
this is an information site not an English composition class where you get
credit for catchy titles! Okay, that was a little on the smart ass side,
but you guys get the idea right? Couldn't we make this a Clayart policy?
Stick to the original thread title and stick to one topic per subject?
Maybe it could be posted in the "how to use clayart" directions for newbees.
Clayart is such an awesome resource, it has been a huge help to me but
there's GOT to be a better way than what we do now!
Happy Potting all, annb
Jennifer Boyer on mon 30 apr 07
Hi Ann,
Yes, you need to switch from digest.
Jennifer
On Apr 30, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Ann Baker wrote:
> THANK YOU Jennifer, I agree, I have just about quit reading Clayart
> on a
> regular basis because so many people don't follow threads and it
> takes too
> much of my time to try and sort thru it all. The "you can use the
> delete
> button" philosophy only works easily if people follow threads. I
> will try
> your system and hope it helps. I'm assuming I will need to change
> from a
> digest format to getting all the individual postings?
>
> I never have understood why readers don't just hit the reply button
> or cut
> and paste the subject into their new email. I'm all for
> individualism but
> this is an information site not an English composition class where
> you get
> credit for catchy titles! Okay, that was a little on the smart ass
> side,
> but you guys get the idea right? Couldn't we make this a Clayart
> policy?
> Stick to the original thread title and stick to one topic per subject?
> Maybe it could be posted in the "how to use clayart" directions for
> newbees.
>
> Clayart is such an awesome resource, it has been a huge help to me but
> there's GOT to be a better way than what we do now!
>
> Happy Potting all, annb
*****************************
Jennifer Boyer
Thistle Hill Pottery
Montpelier, VT
http://thistlehillpottery.com
*****************************
Ann Baker on mon 30 apr 07
Oh boy, I guess I'm about to get flamed!!! I just got a few private emails
informing me that Mel and Joyce have requested we NOT use the reply button.
It sounds as if the reason is because hitting reply automatically quotes
the previous message? I thought that was an option that had to be manually
checked. If we hit reply in order to follow the thread and DON'T check the
quote box, won't that work? Is there something else I'm missing?
I truly want to be a GOOD clayarter those times when I decide not to lurk.
So please enlighten me to the logic.
ann b
Jennifer Boyer on mon 30 apr 07
There are 2 ways to avoid quoting the whole post.
My email program allows me to read a post, highlight the text I want
in my reply and then hit reply. Very easy. Anything that wasn't
highlighted is gone.
The other way is to hit reply and then delete the text that you don't
want.
The reply button is our friend and there are many experienced
computer users out there who rely on it. I just don't think it's
realistic to expect everyone to avoid hitting reply when using
Clayart. It makes things SO much harder and Clayart could get really
chaotic with all those messed up subject lines....
People need to learn these skills for their other emailing work, so
why not just tweak the problem of long posts and not bomb it to
smithereens??
Jennifer, who forgot to cover the clay!!1 Off to the studio in the
dark....
On Apr 30, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Ann Baker wrote:
> Oh boy, I guess I'm about to get flamed!!! I just got a few
> private emails
> informing me that Mel and Joyce have requested we NOT use the reply
> button.
> It sounds as if the reason is because hitting reply automatically
> quotes
> the previous message? I thought that was an option that had to be
> manually
> checked. If we hit reply in order to follow the thread and DON'T
> check the
> quote box, won't that work? Is there something else I'm missing?
>
> I truly want to be a GOOD clayarter those times when I decide not
> to lurk.
> So please enlighten me to the logic.
>
*****************************
Jennifer Boyer
Thistle Hill Pottery
Montpelier, VT
http://thistlehillpottery.com
*****************************
WJ Seidl on mon 30 apr 07
Ann:
I think the point is that when person after person "just hits reply"
the entire message gets sent over and over and over, with the little
moderator blurb on the bottom.
I've seen this moderator info appear sometimes four and five times.
Who wants to download all that crap? No offense Mel, but it does get
repetitive.
The point they are trying to make is that we should enthusiastically
TRIM our messages,
including the little blurb at the bottom, such as I have done with this one.
Snipping and pasting messages back together to reflect ONLY the part of
the message you wish to address is not only
polite, but intelligent; and a standard to which we should all aspire.
(cough, cough!)
That, and top posting.
Ok, I'll shut up now. I hear Mel sawing a new 2X4 muttering "...and
this one is going to have his name on it!"
Best,
Wayne Seidl
Ann Baker wrote:
> Oh boy, I guess I'm about to get flamed!!! I just got a few private emails
> informing me that Mel and Joyce have requested we NOT use the reply button.
> It sounds as if the reason is because hitting reply automatically quotes
> the previous message? SNIP FOR SPACE
Is there something else I'm missing?
>
> I truly want to be a GOOD clayarter those times when I decide not to lurk.
> So please enlighten me to the logic.
>
Ivor Lewis on tue 1 may 07
Dear Ann Baker,
Select the bit you to which you wish to reply. "Copy". Open "New message".
Type "Clayart@lsv.ceramics.org" in the "To" space. Fill in the subject
line.
Paste you copy into the body and type your reply.
"New message" is the key.
Always avoid the "Reply" tab.
When People who get the digest, as I do, hit reply they copy the whole of
the digest and it is sent with their message. I have done it. When you find
out you have a red face.
All the best.
Ivor
Ann Baker on tue 1 may 07
Thank you Ivor,
I think I should clarify myself a bit. I never read or reply thru the
digest, it is too confusing. Instead I look at the digest subject index,
see if anything interests me, then I go to the CLAYART site archives page.
I click on the current week, find my thread and begin reading there. If I
wish to respond I use the envelope icon that represents reply. This allows
me 3 options, reply to the list, to the original poster and to get a copy
myself.
That is how I "hit the reply button". I don't understand why that is a
problem. Occassionally I might respond directly out of my email program, if
I do I copy and paste the EXACT subject heading into a fresh, new email.
It seems to me these 2 methods should be clean and concise and they FOLLOW
THE SAME THREAD so lazy people like me can easily follow a conversation.
My problem with clayart is it is so jumbled with adapted subject lines that
are almost the same (but not the same) that I have trouble weeding thru it.
I miss a lot on a subject of interest. You know the old saying "keep it
simple". In my humble, lurker's opinion it seems this is a great place to
practice that philosophy.
Anyway, I'm trying some of the suggestions people have sent on sorting and
maybe that will help. I learned many years ago people won't behave as I
wish them to -although they SHOULD!!! just a joke folks, please laugh. So
I'll "voice then deal". As my nephew would say.
Happy Potting All, Annb
Ann Baker on tue 1 may 07
I would like to make one final point on this subject. Yesterday I asked a
question about ball clay in porcelain. There were 3 responses. not one was
in the same thread. In other words if I read the posts on the clayart site
I was unable to use the previous post or next post icon buttons(has the
lightbulb and arrow) to follow the conversation, I think that is a waste of
a very good bit of software. Years later if someone was researching in the
archives and found one of these posts they would have to MANUALLY read thru
all subjects in the index and read each post one at a time. If the thread
was followed then the reader could click on the post and follow the
conversation backwards or forwards as desired to gain as much info as they
wanted.
just my opinion, but...
annb
Ann Baker on tue 1 may 07
Must agree with you on that one! It's so EASY to be concise if we'd just DO
it. I really don't quote often as I think people can follow a thread with
the previous post button.
But I guess many people don't so perhaps I should start quoting a bit.
Anyway, I have spent too much time on this darn computer and am now off to
the studio!
Happy potting all, annb
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