Cindy Gatto on sat 5 may 07
I think I am being misunderstood I don't want credit I don't understand how
someone can take a found object make a mold of it slipcast it and say it is
their "design" or "creation" I think it is that much worse when they don't even
make the mold or the piece but this seems to be the norm here in NY The
answer I am getting is that it is the concept of it They saw the object as
something else Another example- a women who was at the Javits wholesale gift show
which is George Little management took detergent bottles made molds of them
and casted them and called them pitchers and vases, she was in the hand made
section. I guess in a round about way that was what I was trying to put out
there. Only for feedback At first when I protested these types of "wares"I was
told I just didn't understand high design after all I'm just a potter, I'm
into that "crafty" stuff I have stopped asking for an explanation but in my
heart this all seems wrong and I was just curious if any one out there either
could explain how this is right or tell me I'm not nuts. There is a store near
my studio in the williamsburg section of B'klyn called Future Perfect and it
is filled with this stuff and that is about all that the stores around here
will carry. We had some students awhile back that made a mold of a toilet duck
bottle-the toilet cleaner. Their toilet duck "vase" is being sold at an
astronomical price. I guess I was also curious at whether or not people would
still consider it handmade even though the "presenter" of the piece didn't make
it, I did and I am not a factory and that was to the people that feel that
slipcasting is handmade.
Cindy Gatto & Mark Petrin
The Mudpit
228 Manhattan Ave
Brooklyn, NY 11206
718-218-9424
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Mike Gordon on sat 5 may 07
Cindy wrote;
A person takes an existing object, once it was a
lamp from a thrift store this time a bullet shell casing.they bring
the object
to my studio not altered in any way, okay the shell was sized up, I
make the
mold and make the pieces in their entirety Then they put their name
on it as
their design. I personally think it's a crock.
Cindy,
If your in the mold making business, then I think you have to accept
that this is going to happen. You might ask clients to give your
business card out to other artists, or at the gallery openings, as a
credit to your expertise. This happens all the time in the art bronze
casting business, but the artist always gave the foundry's name out,
sort of word of mouth advertising. We always sent all our mold making
business to our injection mold maker, the other molds we made on site
as time allowed. Mike Gordon
lela martens on sun 6 may 07
Hi Cindy,
, I'm
>into that "crafty" stuff I have stopped asking for an explanation but in
>my
>heart this all seems wrong and I was just curious if any one out there
>either
>could explain how this is right or tell me I'm not nuts.
Well, in my strong opinion, it isn`t right and no, you aren`t nuts.
Lela
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Lois Ruben Aronow on mon 7 may 07
I totally understand you Cindy, and I think, while you are not off-base
technically, there are some distinctions to be made.
In the first case, you are slipcasting an object to be used as part of a
sculpture. The artist is not claiming themselves to be a potter. I don't
see this as any different as the new trend in mixed media - what if that
same artist, instead of asking for the bullets to be replicated in clay,
used the bullets themselves instead as part of their sculpture? So many
people are doing mixed media/found object work lately, that the lines blur.
If you make a sculpture out of found objects, can you still claim it as your
own? Yes, I believe you can, because you're using the objects to create a
new work and send a different message. The fact that it was made in clay
doesn't, in my opinion, belittle clay artists. Clay as a medium can be just
as effective as metal or wood or paper or found objects in expressing a
message. In this case, the clay was used strictly as a medium.
In the second case - well, I am pretty sure I know the person you're talking
about, and, if it's the same person, had a very long, interesting (and
civil) discussion with her about her work. I felt she was using someone
else's forms and that was wrong. She felt that she was using the forms as a
canvas for her decoration. I saw her point, but remain uncomfortable with
that grey area. There are lots of makers who take the forms and design
elements of others - often generic, sometimes not. There is also a with
impressing a design into clay, be it from a button or toy or whathaveyou.
Is that "original"? Should the original designer or maker be credited?
Without boring everyone on the list, the design scene in Williamsburg, I
think that people general consider the work to be "design", and not "craft",
with no thought of it being handmade. They consider themselves to be a
design consortium and shop. The same is true for Matter and Moss - 2 other
design store leaders which carry handmade, high concept design work. Though
much of the work is handmade, the "design" label carries more prestige in
this case.
With Brooklyn being a hotbed of design, designers and craftspeople, it's
easy for the lines to blur and it often gives me a headache.
...Lo
Don't call me "crafty"
**********
Lois Aronow Porcelain
Brooklyn, NY
www.loisaronow.com
www.craftsofthedamned.blogspot.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
> Cindy Gatto
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 9:29 PM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: handmade - slip casting
>
> I think I am being misunderstood I don't want credit I don't
> understand how someone can take a found object make a mold of
> it slipcast it and say it is their "design" or "creation" I
> think it is that much worse when they don't even make the
> mold or the piece but this seems to be the norm here in NY
> The answer I am getting is that it is the concept of it They
> saw the object as something else Another example- a women who
> was at the Javits wholesale gift show which is George Little
> management took detergent bottles made molds of them and
> casted them and called them pitchers and vases, she was in
> the hand made section. I guess in a round about way that was
> what I was trying to put out there. Only for feedback At
> first when I protested these types of "wares"I was told I
> just didn't understand high design after all I'm just a
> potter, I'm into that "crafty" stuff I have stopped asking
> for an explanation but in my heart this all seems wrong and I
> was just curious if any one out there either could explain
> how this is right or tell me I'm not nuts. There is a store
> near my studio in the williamsburg section of B'klyn called
> Future Perfect and it is filled with this stuff and that is
> about all that the stores around here will carry. We had
> some students awhile back that made a mold of a toilet duck
> bottle-the toilet cleaner. Their toilet duck "vase" is being
> sold at an astronomical price. I guess I was also curious at
> whether or not people would still consider it handmade even
> though the "presenter" of the piece didn't make it, I did
> and I am not a factory and that was to the people that feel
> that slipcasting is handmade.
>
> Cindy Gatto & Mark Petrin
> The Mudpit
> 228 Manhattan Ave
> Brooklyn, NY 11206
> 718-218-9424
> _www.mudpitnyc.com_ (http://www.mudpitnyc.com/) mudpitnyc@aol.com
>
>
>
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