John Rodgers on sun 6 may 07
Cindy,
Take the job, take the money - but make sure that it is a brown bag
project - you do not want your name attached in any way. This is one of
those deals where you can't came out no matter what - except financially
if done right. Your customer obviously doesn't care a whit about the
circumstances. All he/she is interested in is getting a piece for sale.
Do the job, get the money, and move on. If you don't do it, someone else
will, so why don't you make the bucks.
Sounds a bit mercenary, but thats the way of the world.
Regards,
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL
Cindy Gatto wrote:
> Thank you Lela, When this post started I was simply curious about what I was
> involved in. It seemed to me to be a spin off of whether or not slipcasting
> was hand made. It seemed to me at the time that some people felt as long as
> one person was making everything-the mold and all aspects of the pieces on a
> non mass produced factory scale then some people felt it was handmade I am one
> of those people that is my choice and opinion But the situation I am involved
> in has the twist that although I am the maker of the mold and all aspects of
> the piece I am not the designer or seller. It's not my baby so to speak so
> with this twist in place I was curious, if for the people that feel
> slipcasting is handmade,is this piece handmade. I don't know where it went awry I never
> did get that answer but at least you answered another question
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Cindy Gatto on sun 6 may 07
Thank you Lela, When this post started I was simply curious about what I was
involved in. It seemed to me to be a spin off of whether or not slipcasting
was hand made. It seemed to me at the time that some people felt as long as
one person was making everything-the mold and all aspects of the pieces on a
non mass produced factory scale then some people felt it was handmade I am one
of those people that is my choice and opinion But the situation I am involved
in has the twist that although I am the maker of the mold and all aspects of
the piece I am not the designer or seller. It's not my baby so to speak so
with this twist in place I was curious, if for the people that feel
slipcasting is handmade,is this piece handmade. I don't know where it went awry I never
did get that answer but at least you answered another question
Cindy Gatto & Mark Petrin
The Mudpit
228 Manhattan Ave
Brooklyn, NY 11206
718-218-9424
_www.mudpitnyc.com_ (http://www.mudpitnyc.com/)
mudpitnyc@aol.com
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Craig Clark on mon 7 may 07
Cindy, I have been following this thread and think that the central
question concerns an agreed upon definition of a "handmade" item. There
is not a literal, hard cast definition. However, it has always been my
understanding that the term when applied to ceramics work in particular
implies that the pieces are made one by one from the design of their
creator. I don't look upon this as a group effort when it comes to the
fundamental aspects of the piece itself.
If one of the creators of the piece is a moldmaker then the
individual should advertise themselves as a mold maker. If there are
other folks doing the grunt work of pouring the slip then they can be
the "slip pourers" or whatever other term best describes the function of
their task in the assembly line process. I would not stretch the term
"handmade" as it applies to my understanding of ceramics to include
pieces that are either cast in multiples in an assembly line type of
process or what you describe, where the piece is not designed by the
individual who does the moldmaking, casting and firing. At that point
the person is serving as a conduit through which the designer is able to
express her intent and bring it to a profitable fruition. So no, in
specific reference to your question as described for your particular
circumstances, I would not define what you are doing as "handmade". If
it ain't your baby, it ain't your baby. Having said this, please keep in
mind that this really does in the end boil down to slippery definitions
and more than a bit of semantics.
Hope this helps
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 St
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
Cindy Gatto wrote:
> Thank you Lela, When this post started I was simply curious about what I was
> involved in. It seemed to me to be a spin off of whether or not slipcasting
> was hand made. It seemed to me at the time that some people felt as long as
> one person was making everything-the mold and all aspects of the pieces on a
> non mass produced factory scale then some people felt it was handmade I am one
> of those people that is my choice and opinion But the situation I am involved
> in has the twist that although I am the maker of the mold and all aspects of
> the piece I am not the designer or seller. It's not my baby so to speak so
> with this twist in place I was curious, if for the people that feel
> slipcasting is handmade,is this piece handmade. I don't know where it went awry I never
> did get that answer but at least you answered another question
> Cindy Gatto & Mark Petrin
> The Mudpit
> 228 Manhattan Ave
> Brooklyn, NY 11206
> 718-218-9424
> _www.mudpitnyc.com_ (http://www.mudpitnyc.com/)
> mudpitnyc@aol.com
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Cindy Gatto on mon 7 may 07
Thank you so much for that explanation. You know I asked one of my
moldmaking students what he thought and he said the same thing Now he has just thrown
a bowl that he is going to cast and then sell as a bowl and he claims that
bowl is [the slipcast versions] handmade. When I asked why his bowl was
handmade and the vases I am making [and actually putting more time into] are not he
said the same thing and the fact that I am a hired hand makes all the
difference. I think the biggest thing in what makes something handmade is the love
and dedication of the maker. It's the attitude not the technique.
Cindy Gatto & Mark Petrin
The Mudpit
228 Manhattan Ave
Brooklyn, NY 11206
718-218-9424
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