Frank Colson on wed 9 may 07
Marcia- Do be aware that this is an open foram expressively for exchanging
information and ideas to all members on a "open line"!
Your case is obviously a prudent and carefully managed approach which has
awarded you with excellent results. Just imagine if you had known years
ago that you could have purchased similar materials for a fraction of
$127.00? So, you are the exception, even at those outragous prices! I'm
simply pointing out to all who read this post that one could buy a lot of
extra brick to build your kiln rather than an expensive substance. I
pointed this out loud and clear in the publication of my book: "Kiln
Building with Space Age Materials"
By the way, I've made operational "cardboard" kilns which work just fine
without ITC!
The links included, in my last posting, with HW (Harbison-Walker
Refractories) are all sources for acquiring collidial-silica, as well
ceramic fiber products, for
all clay working artists, who are not aware that there ARE alternatives.
And! They are not difficult to find! The suppliers are there in abundance,
not just eBay!
Frank Colson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcia Selsor"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: which raku kiln?
> Frank,
> I don't know what HW is, but ITC coated plywood can but built into a
> kiln and fired. It has been demonstrated at NCECA.
> My gallon of ITC has coated over 5 kilns and I still have half of it
> left.
> I'd say it goes a long way. I coated some gas kilns with it as well
> as lids of electrics and my four raku kilns.
> The budget below includes material for building more kilns and a very
> sweet burner system from Ward Burner custom built for my request of a
> 2 tank hookup per burner.
> I got the ITC years ago for $127/gal. and it is still going strong. I
> swear by it.
> Marcia
> Marcia Selsor
> http://marciaselsor.com
>
> On May 8, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Frank Colson wrote:
>
>> ITC for $140.00 a gallon? Get off it! Absolutly crazy! Why? Ins-
>> Tuff
>> from HW for $35.00 a gallon that will do the same and better than ITC!
>>
>> Frank Colson
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marcia Selsor"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 6:53 AM
>> Subject: which raku kiln?
>>
>>
>>> I agree with Bill.
>>> Bill your own to the size you need.
>>> You can get fiber off ebay. I spray mine with ITC. Make buttons from
>>> raku clay for attaching the fiber to a mesh.
>>> There were some good instructions in several places. You need some
>>> kanthal wire to attach fiber, a few little nuts,bolts, and washers
>>> for bolting the form into shape.
>>> I built one last fall using a mesh from Home depot that I like better
>>> than hardware fabric which I have used previously.
>>> I got my burners from marc Ward.
>>> My burner system costs about $470 for 2 burners that hook up to 4
>>> tanks. I can fire 2 kilns or one very large one with these.
>>> Tanks were $260 for 2 new 40 gallon tanks filled. I have to buy two
>>> new ones for the second burner and bigger kiln.
>>> Fiber was $168
>>> Hardware about $20
>>> ITC I had but costs about $140 gallon /pre diluted. It iasts a long
>>> time.
>>> I already had tongs, safety aprons, gloves and mask.
>>> Marcia Selsor
>>> http://marciaselsor.com
>
> Marcia Selsor
> http://marciaselsor.com
>
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Angela Davis on thu 10 may 07
It seems to me that the question here is how many kilns
can you coat with half a gallon of Instuff as compared to ITC.
Sometimes a product is cheaper to buy but not to use.
Has anyone on the list used the Instuff and the ITC to do a non-partial
consumer
report for us?
Angela Davis
In lovely Homosassa with ITC in the cupboard, got my Raku kiln built but
haven't gotten around
to coating the fiber yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Colson"
>
> Your case is obviously a prudent and carefully managed approach which has
> awarded you with excellent results. Just imagine if you had known years
> ago that you could have purchased similar materials for a fraction of
> $127.00? So, you are the exception, even at those outragous prices!
> I'm
> simply pointing out to all who read this post that one could buy a lot of
> extra brick to build your kiln rather than an expensive substance.> Frank
> Colson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marcia Selsor"
>
>> Frank,
>>>> My gallon of ITC has coated over 5 kilns and I still have half of it
>> left.
>> I'd say it goes a long way. I coated some gas kilns with it as well
>> as lids of electrics and my four raku kilns.
>> .
>> I got the ITC years ago for $127/gal. and it is still going strong. I
>> swear by it.
>> Marcia
>> Marcia Selsor
>> http://marciaselsor.com
>>
>> On May 8, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Frank Colson wrote:
>>
>>> ITC for $140.00 a gallon? Get off it! Absolutly crazy! Why? Ins-
>>> Tuff
>>> from HW for $35.00 a gallon that will do the same and better than ITC!
>>>
>>> Frank Colson
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