Alex Solla on fri 20 jul 07
Ivy-
As someone who uses inclusion stains extensively in our work,
I can wholeheartedly tell you that the red you seek isnt even on
the Mason website.
BUT if you call them, you can order : "Dark Red #K5988, a new
encapsulated pigment having a very low yellow value,or Red #K5997, a true
cherry
red with high red and low yellow values. or lastly, Red #K5987 with a very
high red with higher yellow."
I was just sent samples of these and they are REAL reds. Even the Degussa
stains werent true reds.
Prices are astronomical. Nearly half again more than regular inclusion
stains.
Top it all off with the fact that so far, none of the major suppliers are
even carrying it
which means you'll need to order 10# min from Mason... which means handing
over a check for
over $300. Kind of a big jump to get red.
On the other hand, if you can deal with the red being more of a terracotta
red,
albeit still very rich, then the Sunset ZrXCd is a GREAT color. Probably one
of our favorite colors. As to translucence... it can be done. Despite the
blah effects
so commonly seen with stains, if you TEST TEST TEST, you can find that
threshold
where you get rich color and translucence.
As to amount of stain... we have found anywhere between 8-15% to be
necessary for
saturated color. But some of the ZrXCd stains will froth and bubble above
10%.
So again, TEST TEST TEST.
Feel free to contact me off list if you would like to discuss this further.
And most of all, GOOD LUCK!
cheers,
Alex Solla
Cold Springs Studio Pottery
4088 Cold Springs Road
Trumansburg, NY 14886
www.coldspringsstudio.com
IVY wrote:
I want to get as close to a
certain reduction copper red as possible. No purple at all, maybe
slightly orange. Any suggestions? I'm guessing... Mason 6033 Sunset?
DeGussa Intense Red? Laguna Dynasty Red glaze? Do any of these give a
translucent effect or are they all pretty much opaque?
Lois Ruben Aronow on sat 21 jul 07
Another technique of note is mixing various percentages of stain to achieve
the color you want.
I use both a Degussa inclusion AND a mason stain to achieve my red.
The last thing to factor in is clay body. I have been using a Standard
grolleg for quite some time, but got tired of dealing with loss and warping,
so I switched to a different porcelain body. Obvious firing difference
aside, the more-red-than-brick glaze I had been getting on the grolleg is
now - RED!!! - on the new body.
And yes, red inclusion stains are expensive - as are red underglazes. At
$30 pint, I only offer red underglaze on request and with a markup.
..Lo
**********
Lois Aronow Ceramics
Brooklyn, NY
www.loisaronow.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
> Alex Solla
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 8:12 AM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: Favorite red inclusion stain, ^6 - lots of choices
>
> Ivy-
>
> As someone who uses inclusion stains extensively in our work,
> I can wholeheartedly tell you that the red you seek isnt even
> on the Mason website.
>
> BUT if you call them, you can order : "Dark Red #K5988, a new
> encapsulated pigment having a very low yellow value,or Red
> #K5997, a true cherry red with high red and low yellow
> values. or lastly, Red #K5987 with a very high red with
> higher yellow."
>
> I was just sent samples of these and they are REAL reds. Even
> the Degussa stains werent true reds.
> Prices are astronomical. Nearly half again more than regular
> inclusion stains.
> Top it all off with the fact that so far, none of the major
> suppliers are even carrying it which means you'll need to
> order 10# min from Mason... which means handing over a check
> for over $300. Kind of a big jump to get red.
>
> On the other hand, if you can deal with the red being more of
> a terracotta red, albeit still very rich, then the Sunset
> ZrXCd is a GREAT color. Probably one of our favorite colors.
> As to translucence... it can be done. Despite the blah
> effects so commonly seen with stains, if you TEST TEST TEST,
> you can find that threshold where you get rich color and translucence.
>
> As to amount of stain... we have found anywhere between 8-15%
> to be necessary for saturated color. But some of the ZrXCd
> stains will froth and bubble above 10%.
> So again, TEST TEST TEST.
>
> Feel free to contact me off list if you would like to discuss
> this further.
>
> And most of all, GOOD LUCK!
>
> cheers,
> Alex Solla
>
> Cold Springs Studio Pottery
> 4088 Cold Springs Road
> Trumansburg, NY 14886
> www.coldspringsstudio.com
>
> IVY wrote:
> I want to get as close to a
> certain reduction copper red as possible. No purple at all,
> maybe slightly orange. Any suggestions? I'm guessing... Mason
> 6033 Sunset?
> DeGussa Intense Red? Laguna Dynasty Red glaze? Do any of
> these give a translucent effect or are they all pretty much opaque?
>
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