mel jacobson on mon 13 aug 07
in all the discussion about beauty, what is aesthetic, it reminds
me of growing up in a happy home, poor as can be, nothing much
to do with art or beauty...just survival.
in that atmosphere, my mother was a color junkie. she haunted
the goodwill and junk stores for things that she could color match.
the bathroom was color coded to the season. we even had
to switch our toothbrushes. it was all green for spring...red for
the holidays. she had little plates and jars in the color she liked.
did not matter if it had purpose, or was cracked or broken...just
turn the thing to the wall where it was broken. the color was
the important thing. i knew she had the drive to make things pretty.
the house was clean, the food was good, and everyone laughed.
a perfect place to grow up. the color themes ran through the house.
i see the million dollar homes around me....all designed by `someone else`,
macy's, or some other design group. folks who cannot make an environment
that is not `the in thing`. they all look alike. puddy colors, with vibrant
accents in lime and orange and bright blue...five thousand dollar viking
ranges, with no one to cook on them. it is always `someone else` that
makes the decisions....fear of a mistake. art selected for them...so
it all `matches`. always the expert...and we know as potters and artists,
the experts often know little. it is a high priced sales job.
beauty has so many aspects of culture and wealth. it is so abstract
that we rarely know where to start, and end. it is so directed by
our own intellect and desire. there is no simple answer.
the more we are exposed to culture and art, the more it rubs off.
the more we read and gather information, the more we know.
some people move on that information, some people cannot ever
know what to do...they turn to others to provide `culture for them`.
just like gobs of diamonds on a rich woman....many buy the badges of wealth
and culture.
education, travel and study provide the tools for culture. so often culture
art and beauty get mixed with religion and politics. just because it is couched
in zen, or karma does not mean that it is not religion based...when you
use religion as an argument, remember, you have to be right...because you
`believe it`. it is almost impossible to change someone's belief system.
mel
our family motto when we travel:
`it is never `right or wrong`, it is always different.`
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claystevslat on mon 13 aug 07
Mel --
Very well said! And in respect of this (not to mention
simple decency towards hose who've been following the
thread) I'm going to just let it go.
Best -- Steve S
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, mel jacobson wrote:
>
> education, travel and study provide the tools for culture. so
often culture
> art and beauty get mixed with religion and politics. just because
it is couched
> in zen, or karma does not mean that it is not religion
based...when you
> use religion as an argument, remember, you have to be
right...because you
> `believe it`. it is almost impossible to change someone's belief
system.
> mel
> our family motto when we travel:
> `it is never `right or wrong`, it is always different.`
>
> from: mel/minnetonka.mn.usa
Bunny Lemak on mon 13 aug 07
>my mother was a color junkie......the bathroom was color coded to the
season.<
OMG! My mother did the same thing when I was growing up, she still does
it to this day. It was her way of redecorating without the huge cost.
>they all look alike. puddy colors, with vibrant accents in lime and
orange and bright blue...<
That is because it is "safe" and when decorators do something safe, then
everyone will like it. .......boring!!!!!
>so often culture art and beauty get mixed with religion and politics.
just because it is couched in zen, or karma does not mean that it is not
religion based...<
Maybe so, but to decorate with Zen or Karma also means that you are now
have a more updated look, and it really means big bucks for the decorator,
nothing more.
Just my 2 cents on this.
Bunny
Lee Love on mon 13 aug 07
On 8/13/07, Bunny Lemak wrote:
>
> Maybe so, but to decorate with Zen or Karma also means that you are now
> have a more updated look, and it really means big bucks for the decorator,
> nothing more.
It is kinda funny to see in Japanese design/decorating
magazines, "Asian Style" which might be Japanese here but is
non-Japanese Asian in Japan. Japan modern style is call Wafu. It
might be what we would think of as Zen style.
--
Lee in Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
discussion on Beauty:
http://journals.fotki.com/togeika/beauty/
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"For a democracy of excellence, the goal is not to reduce things to a
common denominator but to raise things to a shared worth."
--Paolo Soleri
sacredclay on tue 14 aug 07
Lee, That's a new one for me. What is the orgin of the word Wafu and
when did it come into existence? Any links to show us what they are?
Also, why is it considered non Japanese in Japan? Please expound some
more on this, as I find this really intersting. Warmly, Kathryn
Hughes in NC --- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Lee Love
wrote:
>
> On 8/13/07, Bunny Lemak wrote:
> >
> > Maybe so, but to decorate with Zen or Karma also means that you
are now
> > have a more updated look, and it really means big bucks for the
decorator,
> > nothing more.
>
> It is kinda funny to see in Japanese design/decorating
> magazines, "Asian Style" which might be Japanese here but is
> non-Japanese Asian in Japan. Japan modern style is call Wafu. It
> might be what we would think of as Zen style.
>
> --
> Lee in Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
> discussion on Beauty:
>
> http://journals.fotki.com/togeika/beauty/
>
> http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
>
> "For a democracy of excellence, the goal is not to reduce things
to a
> common denominator but to raise things to a shared worth."
> --Paolo Soleri
>
>
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Lee Love on tue 14 aug 07
On 8/14/07, sacredclay wrote:
> Lee, That's a new one for me. What is the orgin of the word Wafu and
> when did it come into existence?
Wa means peace and is Japan's old name. Fu is style/way. I don't
know, but I think Wafu is a modern usage.
>Any links to show us what they are?
> Also, why is it considered non Japanese in Japan?
I think "Asian Style" in Japan is often Indian style.
>Please expound some
> more on this, as I find this really intersting.
It is hard to find articles on Wafu in English. Here is a
Japanese link:
http://www.wafu-style.net/
It isn't mingei, but is modern, but uses tradtional stuff
sometimes too. Most of the english sites are either about the ikebana
school by the same name or about food and sauces.
--
Lee in Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
"For a democracy of excellence, the goal is not to reduce things to a
common denominator but to raise things to a shared worth."
--Paolo Soleri
Judith on tue 14 aug 07
Wafu is listed in the Kodansha dictionary as "Japanese style, in the
Japanese manner" . The characters are Japan and Wind . Kodansha defines
"fu" as wind, look, appearance, manner, vein, style, type.
Now, 'fu' is the (on-chinese prononciation) of (kun-japenese prononciation)
of 'kaze' which means wind and I have the feeling that 'wa' is also the on
prononciation for 'nippon, nihon' which means Japan and not peace. You
cannot go by the sound you have to read the character and its meaning.
Judith
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Love"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: simple beauty
> On 8/14/07, sacredclay wrote:
>> Lee, That's a new one for me. What is the orgin of the word Wafu and
>> when did it come into existence?
>
> Wa means peace and is Japan's old name. Fu is style/way. I don't
> know, but I think Wafu is a modern usage.
>
>
> >Any links to show us what they are?
>> Also, why is it considered non Japanese in Japan?
>
> I think "Asian Style" in Japan is often Indian style.
>
>>Please expound some
>> more on this, as I find this really intersting.
>
> It is hard to find articles on Wafu in English. Here is a
> Japanese link:
>
> http://www.wafu-style.net/
>
> It isn't mingei, but is modern, but uses tradtional stuff
> sometimes too. Most of the english sites are either about the ikebana
> school by the same name or about food and sauces.
>
> --
> Lee in Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
>
> "For a democracy of excellence, the goal is not to reduce things to a
> common denominator but to raise things to a shared worth."
> --Paolo Soleri
>
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Jason Truesdell on tue 14 aug 07
The character for "wa" in wafuu is also the same as the character for
harmony/peace, and is the on-yomi for that character. It's not the "day/sun"
character used in the compound nihon (sun+origin, "land of the rising sun"
read poetically). "Nichi" is one of the on-yomi for that character. There
are a number of possible pronunciations for wa, but "wa" is probably the
most common in a compound, sino-Japanese word.
When using the word "wafuu" related to food ("wafuu ryouri", perhaps), it's
often connoting an adaptation of foreign foods or ingredients to Japanese
tastes. If a something is perceived as a traditionally Japanese food, the
word "washoku" (Japanese cuisine) will be used instead.
When used with craft, art, or design, wafuu tends to suggest a contemporary
approach to Japanese design. Wafuu in current usage will rarely be used in
context of antiques or traditional, legacy crafts or structures.
Sometimes wafuu just refers to incorporating Japanese design elements in a
modern space... Like backlit shouji screens against a wall in a restaurant
or museum, or contemporary recessed tatami seating rather than an old-style
tatami room.
Some people will refer to a "wafuu" coffee cup, for example, which is to say
that the style references Japanese aesthetics and design cues, but it is,
after all, a coffee cup, which only has about a 130 year history in Japan.
It would be distinguished from a "mug cup."
A Japanese style teacup will be called "yunomi", whereas a British one would
be called a "tei- kappu". It's possible to make a British form of a teacup
"wafuu", but it would probably be redundant to say "wafuu" for a
conventional yunomi.
Jason Truesdell
Store: http://www.yuzumura.com/
Blog: http://blog.jagaimo.com/
Cell: 206-351-0451
Office: 206-274-4575
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Judith
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:15 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: simple beauty
Wafu is listed in the Kodansha dictionary as "Japanese style, in the
Japanese manner" . The characters are Japan and Wind . Kodansha defines
"fu" as wind, look, appearance, manner, vein, style, type.
Now, 'fu' is the (on-chinese prononciation) of (kun-japenese prononciation)
of 'kaze' which means wind and I have the feeling that 'wa' is also the on
prononciation for 'nippon, nihon' which means Japan and not peace. You
cannot go by the sound you have to read the character and its meaning.
Judith
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Love"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: simple beauty
> On 8/14/07, sacredclay wrote:
>> Lee, That's a new one for me. What is the orgin of the word Wafu and
>> when did it come into existence?
>
> Wa means peace and is Japan's old name. Fu is style/way. I don't
> know, but I think Wafu is a modern usage.
>
>
> >Any links to show us what they are?
>> Also, why is it considered non Japanese in Japan?
>
> I think "Asian Style" in Japan is often Indian style.
>
>>Please expound some
>> more on this, as I find this really intersting.
>
> It is hard to find articles on Wafu in English. Here is a
> Japanese link:
>
> http://www.wafu-style.net/
>
> It isn't mingei, but is modern, but uses tradtional stuff
> sometimes too. Most of the english sites are either about the ikebana
> school by the same name or about food and sauces.
>
> --
> Lee in Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
>
> "For a democracy of excellence, the goal is not to reduce things to a
> common denominator but to raise things to a shared worth."
> --Paolo Soleri
>
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Judith on tue 14 aug 07
The word 'wafu' is given in the Kodansha with the 'nihon' characters and
'kaze' character and the translation is what I quoted before. I assumed
that it was this 'wafu' they referred to when talking about what was
mentioned as Japanese style. It had nothing to do with peace in that
context.
It is correct that 'wa' is the most common word used in the Japanese
language but that usage really does not have a translation, as you probably
know from your Japanese studies, it is used to emphasize something which
certainly is not applicable in the word 'wafu' as used in the context of the
posting.
Judith
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Truesdell"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: simple beauty
> The character for "wa" in wafuu is also the same as the character for
> harmony/peace, and is the on-yomi for that character. It's not the
> "day/sun"
> character used in the compound nihon (sun+origin, "land of the rising sun"
> read poetically). "Nichi" is one of the on-yomi for that character. There
> are a number of possible pronunciations for wa, but "wa" is probably the
> most common in a compound, sino-Japanese word.
>
> When using the word "wafuu" related to food ("wafuu ryouri", perhaps),
> it's
> often connoting an adaptation of foreign foods or ingredients to Japanese
> tastes. If a something is perceived as a traditionally Japanese food, the
> word "washoku" (Japanese cuisine) will be used instead.
>
> When used with craft, art, or design, wafuu tends to suggest a
> contemporary
> approach to Japanese design. Wafuu in current usage will rarely be used in
> context of antiques or traditional, legacy crafts or structures.
>
> Sometimes wafuu just refers to incorporating Japanese design elements in a
> modern space... Like backlit shouji screens against a wall in a restaurant
> or museum, or contemporary recessed tatami seating rather than an
> old-style
> tatami room.
>
> Some people will refer to a "wafuu" coffee cup, for example, which is to
> say
> that the style references Japanese aesthetics and design cues, but it is,
> after all, a coffee cup, which only has about a 130 year history in Japan.
> It would be distinguished from a "mug cup."
>
> A Japanese style teacup will be called "yunomi", whereas a British one
> would
> be called a "tei- kappu". It's possible to make a British form of a teacup
> "wafuu", but it would probably be redundant to say "wafuu" for a
> conventional yunomi.
>
> Jason Truesdell
> Store: http://www.yuzumura.com/
> Blog: http://blog.jagaimo.com/
> Cell: 206-351-0451
> Office: 206-274-4575
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Judith
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:15 AM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: simple beauty
>
> Wafu is listed in the Kodansha dictionary as "Japanese style, in the
> Japanese manner" . The characters are Japan and Wind . Kodansha defines
> "fu" as wind, look, appearance, manner, vein, style, type.
> Now, 'fu' is the (on-chinese prononciation) of (kun-japenese
> prononciation)
> of 'kaze' which means wind and I have the feeling that 'wa' is also the on
> prononciation for 'nippon, nihon' which means Japan and not peace. You
> cannot go by the sound you have to read the character and its meaning.
> Judith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lee Love"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:23 AM
> Subject: Re: simple beauty
>
>
>> On 8/14/07, sacredclay wrote:
>>> Lee, That's a new one for me. What is the orgin of the word Wafu and
>>> when did it come into existence?
>>
>> Wa means peace and is Japan's old name. Fu is style/way. I don't
>> know, but I think Wafu is a modern usage.
>>
>>
>> >Any links to show us what they are?
>>> Also, why is it considered non Japanese in Japan?
>>
>> I think "Asian Style" in Japan is often Indian style.
>>
>>>Please expound some
>>> more on this, as I find this really intersting.
>>
>> It is hard to find articles on Wafu in English. Here is a
>> Japanese link:
>>
>> http://www.wafu-style.net/
>>
>> It isn't mingei, but is modern, but uses tradtional stuff
>> sometimes too. Most of the english sites are either about the ikebana
>> school by the same name or about food and sauces.
>>
>> --
>> Lee in Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
>>
>> "For a democracy of excellence, the goal is not to reduce things to a
>> common denominator but to raise things to a shared worth."
>> --Paolo Soleri
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> ________ Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>>
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>>
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>> melpots@pclink.com.
>
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