Smith, Judy on fri 17 aug 07
I really like the look of China painting and I would like to be able to
get that kind of detailed painting on my stoneware pots. I have tried
painting with underglazes, but I can't get the same transparent layered
effect that you get with China painting. Has anyone tried China
overglaze paints on stoneware? I think I read that China paints would
not work on stoneware? I don't know why. Any suggestion would be
appreciated.
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Thanks,
Judy Smith
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Eric Suchman on fri 17 aug 07
Paul Lewing's book, "China Paint and Overglaze" is a definite must
have. There is an example of an Hamada pot with overglaze
decoration. My plan is to do the very same thing.
-eric in oceanside
On Aug 17, 2007, at 5:52 AM, Smith, Judy wrote:
> I really like the look of China painting and I would like to be
> able to
> get that kind of detailed painting on my stoneware pots. I have tried
> painting with underglazes, but I can't get the same transparent
> layered
> effect that you get with China painting. Has anyone tried China
> overglaze paints on stoneware? I think I read that China paints would
> not work on stoneware? I don't know why. Any suggestion would be
> appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Judy Smith
>
>
>
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L. P. Skeen on fri 17 aug 07
Judy, get yourself signed up for the workshop at Elizabeth Priddy's studio -
it's sometime this fall, but I can't remember when. Check her website:
www.elizabethpriddy.com for contact information. Elizabeth has been doing
exactly this for many years and she DOES get the transparent look you're
looking for. The workshop she's having will also feature her Chinese brush
painting mentor/teacher.
L
Judy said,
I really like the look of China painting and I would like to be able to
get that kind of detailed painting on my stoneware pots. I have tried
painting with underglazes, but I can't get the same transparent layered
effect that you get with China painting. Has anyone tried China
overglaze paints on stoneware? I think I read that China paints would
not work on stoneware? I don't know why. Any suggestion would be
appreciated.
L. P. Skeen, Summerfield NC, USA
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Lee Love on fri 17 aug 07
On 8/17/07, Smith, Judy wrote:
> I really like the look of China painting and I would like to be able to
> get that kind of detailed painting on my stoneware pots. I have tried
> painting with underglazes, but I can't get the same transparent layered
> effect that you get with China painting. Has anyone tried China
> overglaze paints on stoneware? I think I read that China paints would
> not work on stoneware? I don't know why. Any suggestion would be
> appreciated.
You could try enamel. They are put on already fired glaze. My
teacher had us treat each area to be enamel painted with a gelatin
solution. Just a half inch square of cotton cloth is used to rub the
knox gelatin solution on the spot to be painted. Helps the enamel
stick to the pot.
When choosing enamels either keep them on no food contact
surfaces or research their ingredients and use save ones. John
Baymore has researched the commercial enamels and told me which were
better to use, but I don't have that in my memory.
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Paul Lewing on fri 17 aug 07
On Aug 17, 2007, at 5:52 AM, Smith, Judy wrote:
I really like the look of China painting and I would like to be able to
get that kind of detailed painting on my stoneware pots. I have tried
painting with underglazes, but I can't get the same transparent layered
effect that you get with China painting. Has anyone tried China
overglaze paints on stoneware? I think I read that China paints would
not work on stoneware?
You can use china paints on any glazed (or even unglazed) ceramic
surface, no matter what the underlying clay body or original firing
temperature. In my book, you will see pictures of china paint done
on earthenware, stoneware, porcelain, even raku! The only two brown
pots in the whole book are a Hamada sake bottle, and a John Baymore
woodfired Shino piece, both with overglazes. You can china paint
your bathtub if you can get it into the kiln.
Paul Lewing
www.paullewingtile.com
Smith, Judy on fri 17 aug 07
Thank you for the suggestion. I really like Elizabeth's work. She does
Chinese brush painting. I am interested in Porcelain and Bone China
painting techniques. I think these are different.
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To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: overglaze painting on stoneware
Judy, get yourself signed up for the workshop at Elizabeth Priddy's
studio -
it's sometime this fall, but I can't remember when. Check her website:
www.elizabethpriddy.com for contact information. Elizabeth has been
doing
exactly this for many years and she DOES get the transparent look you're
looking for. The workshop she's having will also feature her Chinese
brush
painting mentor/teacher.
L
Judy said,
I really like the look of China painting and I would like to be able to
get that kind of detailed painting on my stoneware pots. I have tried
painting with underglazes, but I can't get the same transparent layered
effect that you get with China painting. Has anyone tried China
overglaze paints on stoneware? I think I read that China paints would
not work on stoneware? I don't know why. Any suggestion would be
appreciated.
L. P. Skeen, Summerfield NC, USA
http://www.living-tree.net
Get your Clay Lover's Calendar at
http://www.living-tree.net/calendar.htm
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Elizabeth Priddy on fri 17 aug 07
You need to use glazes that do not use zinc or tin in their composition
for a truly transparent effect on stoneware. That is the trick.
Use velvet underglazes (by amaco) in order to have true color mixing.
Bright yellow, bright red, electric blue, jet black, dark green, and white
will give you all the color range and they mix true to the eye.
I am offering a workshop here in NC on this subject periodicly, so feel free
to contact me directly for a schedule of workshops.
Elizabeth
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Elizabeth Priddy on fri 17 aug 07
The techniquies I use are adapted for stoneware applications and are only
different from china painting in that the picture is finished in one firing rather
than several.
With modern pigments, the gap between china painting and brush painting
are closing.
You can use brushpainting technique on china painting materials.
If my applications do not suit, I suggest Paul Lewing's book.
E
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marci Boskie's Mama =^..^= on sat 18 aug 07
At 12:00 AM 8/18/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:52:04 -0500
>From: "Smith, Judy"
>Subject: overglaze painting on stoneware
>
>I really like the look of China painting and I would like to be able to
>get that kind of detailed painting on my stoneware pots. I have tried
>painting with underglazes, but I can't get the same transparent layered
>effect that you get with China painting. Has anyone tried China
>overglaze paints on stoneware? I think I read that China paints would
>not work on stoneware? I don't know why. Any suggestion would be
>appreciated.
HI Judy ,
You absolutely can paint
on stoneware the same way you would on porcelain .. The only
difference I have found is that some reds will fire
a bit more brown-y than on porcelain ... but you can find one
that will fire true..
Marci Blattenberger Boskie's Mama =^..^=
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Ivor and Olive Lewis on sat 18 aug 07
Dear Judy Smith=20
You should have no problems with China Paints on Stoneware. It is =
necessary to have a white glaze otherwise colour does not develop, being =
masked by the dark nature of the clay. There is an industry that creates =
glazed whiteware, as Porcelain, for China Painters.
A visit to a good library should provide access to books on the topic.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis.
Redhill,
South Australia.
Johanna De Maine on sat 18 aug 07
Hi Judy
I do all my overglaze work on either a white stoneware or porcelain. I work
mainly with lustres and I find that both the colour and the texture of the
glaze make a difference as lustres take on the quality of the glaze that they
are on. I would think this would apply to overglaze paints, enamels, call
them what you will. I use a lot of raised enamel which is opaque. You must
fire to at least 780-800 degrees centigrade to get the bonding onto the
surface. For earthenware you fire to 720-750 degrees centigrade. Have a
read of Paul Lewings new book on overglaze and China paint. I am sure you
would find it helpful.
Regards
Johanna DeMaine
http://johanna.demaine.org
Friday 17 August 2007 22:52:04 Smith, Judy wrote:
> I really like the look of China painting and I would like to be able to
> get that kind of detailed painting on my stoneware pots. I have tried
> painting with underglazes, but I can't get the same transparent layered
> effect that you get with China painting. Has anyone tried China
> overglaze paints on stoneware? I think I read that China paints would
> not work on stoneware? I don't know why. Any suggestion would be
> appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Judy Smith
>
>
>
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Lee Love on sat 18 aug 07
I found John Baymore's email when I asked him about "safe" commercial enamels.
He avoids cadmium. Uses Amaco leadfree WB overglaze series
He said on other enamels may actually have no lead added, but
they are processed in equipment that processes other things with lead
in them, so can't be certified "lead free."
--
Lee in Minnesota
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