Marta Matray on tue 21 aug 07
, Russel Fouts wrote:
>>...
> >>>I'm really glad you're trying this. I've demonstrated it at lots of
>workshops but no one has ever writen me that they've tried it. Sigh.
>
hi russel, you knew i tried it and ever since i did,
i am always using it! its a great technique!
for pounding i use a sand filled sock. and
instead of plaster molds i use a large bisqued bowl
in which i can make all different size (smaller) bowls.
works great for me! thanks again russel,
marta
Taylor Hendrix on wed 22 aug 07
Marta,
I think about some of your pieces when I'm trying to throw out
interesting slabs.
So are you talking a bisqued bowl in which you place clay to pound out
with your sand sock or a bisqued hump upon which you pound away? I'm
going to make both if I can. I'm taking off my old socks too--plenty
of sand around here.
I wanted to review some of your pics (links from Amsterlaw's clayart
page) but the top yahoo link isn't working and neither is the second
link. Not your problem, though. Just the link to Russel's pages with
some of your work is accessible. Have a flickr account? I didn't see
my favorite bowl of yours.
Ain't Russel a peach?
Tay Tay, in Rock Rock
On 8/21/07, Marta Matray wrote:
...
> hi russel, you knew i tried it and ever since i did,
> i am always using it! its a great technique!
> for pounding i use a sand filled sock. and
> instead of plaster molds i use a large bisqued bowl
> in which i can make all different size (smaller) bowls.
> works great for me! thanks again russel,
> marta
..
Russel Fouts on wed 22 aug 07
>> I tried again to use the naked plaster mold with resultant
failure. This time I left the clay on for one hour then tried to
slowly coax off the clay. I decided to leave it on a bit longer while
I made my clay mold. Man, putting in extra grog by hand is a real
pain in the wrists. I measured out 50% by weight of grog (clay was
moist clay) and wet it. Well, I think I beat out the bottom of the
bowl too thinly because I found shrinkage rips all at the top of the
form while the rim was still soft leather hard. Definitely major
differences in thickness throughout the form. This is going to take
quite awhile to work out. >>
Who ever said it would be easy? ;-) Keep at it, you'll get the hang of it.
I still believe that your clay is too wet. Really, it should be
pretty stiff. Remember I started using this method because the only
clay I had was too stiff to do much else with.
And start with more clay than you think you'll need to start with.
>> My clay mold is drying as we speak. Over an inch thick, it should
hold up quite well. I have also made it big enough to beat out clay
and not worry that I'm going to overrun the edge. I'm going to be
using it also for small bird baths I hope to be making soon, nice hollow forms
with substance. >>
A shallow arc would probably release better but from what I saw of
your plaster mold it looked ok to me.And I do over run the edge, it
makes a nice shadow around the inside of the edge that makes it even
more of a frame.
>> Still, the best two bowls so far were made with t-shirt release.
I didn't have too much trouble beating it out though still need to
work on a consistant, thin wall. <<
You have do do what works for you. I have never used anything between
the mold and the clay but I think it would be too slippery. All I
have to worry about is turning and pounding in a consistent manner
because the clay is stuck to the mold and isn't going to move around.
And I don't get any texture.
Maybe I should try it though. But then, maybe it's the 'trick' that
keeps me interested. ;-)
I'm really glad you're trying this. I've demonstrated it at lots of
workshops but no one has ever writen me that they've tried it. Sigh.
I think it's a great way to make bowls and plates. And really
versatile. Just by changing the amount of clay, you can go from very
fine to really MASSIVE bowls. If start with a stack of torn pieces
you can get a really amazing, muscular rim.
And just to make sure that this message gets caught in everyone's
filters: Cats, Chickens, Aligators, free range, battery, grammer,
wall mounted controller, electric kiln, chrystabolite and chinese
bees. Oh and maybe I should just mention clay for good measure. ;-)
Russel
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Marta Matray on wed 22 aug 07
hi tay tay,
make a big bowl, bisque it, with no foot or footring on the outside so
you can use both the inside of the bowl, or if you turn the bisqued bowl
upside down you can make a shallower bowl when you put a slab on top of it,
and this way you can finish the new bowl with either a coilring foot or
make it a tripod with 3 lil' balls, or whatever your heart desires! its
fun. if you have more than one bisqued bowl for mold, even better, you can
make a series. when you are tired of your 'molds' - glaze them, and they
become real fired bowls...
i will check amsterlaw's links, they are probably some old and expired
photopages of mine still listed there... sorry, i had no idea!
russel's guest page http://www.mypots.com/Marta.htm
is my very best website, he has like 20 pix of my stuff there if you scroll
down. one of this days i will ask him to put up new pics...
the other 2 hopefully still working websites are:
http://www.martamatray.com and
http://www.angelfire.com/mn2/marta/
arent you glad i found new use for your old socks?
he-he.
marta
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:27:26 -0500, Taylor Hendrix
wrote:
>Marta,
>
>I think about some of your pieces when I'm trying to throw out
>interesting slabs.
>
>So are you talking a bisqued bowl in which you place clay to pound out
>with your sand sock or a bisqued hump upon which you pound away? I'm
>going to make both if I can. I'm taking off my old socks too--plenty
>of sand around here.
>
>I wanted to review some of your pics (links from Amsterlaw's clayart
>page) but the top yahoo link isn't working and neither is the second
>link. Not your problem, though. Just the link to Russel's pages with
>some of your work is accessible. Have a flickr account? I didn't see
>my favorite bowl of yours.
>
>Ain't Russel a peach?
>
>Tay Tay, in Rock Rock
Bunny Lemak on wed 22 aug 07
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:27:26 -0500, Taylor Hendrix
wrote:
>I wanted to review some of your pics (links from Amsterlaw's clayart
>page) >
>On 8/21/07, Marta Matray wrote:
>...
>> hi russel, you knew i tried it and ever since i did,
>> i am always using it! its a great technique!
So......where can I see all these pictures, and how do I find out about
Russel's technique???
It kinda sounds like what I am doing right now, but I would like to learn
more about this, if I can.
Thanks-
Bunny
Neal on thu 23 aug 07
For some reason, I decided I wanted to make
some slab plates this weekend. The first two
were squares, cut from slabs that I rolled
with a rolling pin (plus a few tosses). I
decided they looked lifeless.
The next two were rough slabs that I did
not cut. They look similar to Marta's plate
here: http://tinyurl.com/2yad6m
only I wanted them a little more square.
I used a bisqued bowl with a very flat
bottom. It's about 11" in diameter, but the
flat part is about 8.5". After firing, the
plates will be about that size.
I put the slabs on the upside down bowl and
gently shaped them to the curves. There was
no need to pound the clay. And after they
were soft leather hard (about 30 minutes
outside each), the plates released very
easily and I put them on a piece of drywall.
As they've been drying (under plastic), they
have kept their curves.
Watching Elizabeth Priddy make slabs by
tossing the clay against the table reminded
me how easy it is to get by without a slab
roller, especially when my slabs don't have
to be perfectly uniformly thick. (Although
the ones we used that she made for Candace
Young's presentation at the Natural Instincts
conference this summer were uniformly thick.)
I also did some slab teabowls, following the
instruction sheet I picked up at Highwater a
couple of weeks ago. I think I'll stick to
throwing teabowls.
Neal O'Briant
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Angela Davis on thu 23 aug 07
1. I love doing slumped or humped slab pots but often have a problem with
warping of the shapes after firing. I am very careful compressing my
slab and giving it time to set up before removing from the form.
I am thinking I may need to find a way to compress it more after
putting it on the form. I have studied Russell's instructions and plan to
be a bit more forceful next time.
2. I have tried throwing out my slabs and it works great, just don't try
it with paper clay. The slabs threw out easily and looked great but
after the bisque there were lots of stretch marks and separations in the
clay.
I think the paper let the clay pull apart in places, I used a rib to
smooth the clay into the slump mold and they looked fine going into the
bisque.
These were slumped plates, should have taken photos, I had never seen
anything like it.
Angela Davis
In Homosassa
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>
> The next two were rough slabs that I did
> not cut. They look similar to Marta's plate
> here: http://tinyurl.com/2yad6m
> only I wanted them a little more square.
>
>
> I put the slabs on the upside down bowl and
> gently shaped them to the curves. There was
> no need to pound the clay. And after they
> were soft leather hard (about 30 minutes
> outside each), the plates released very
> easily and I put them on a piece of drywall.
> As they've been drying (under plastic), they
> have kept their curves.
>
> Watching Elizabeth Priddy make slabs by
> tossing the clay against the table reminded
> me how easy it is to get by without a slab
> roller, especially when my slabs don't have
> to be perfectly uniformly thick. > throwing teabowls.
>
> Neal O'Briant
>
>
>
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Russel Fouts on fri 24 aug 07
Bunny,
>> So......where can I see all these pictures, and how do I find out
about Russel's technique???
It kinda sounds like what I am doing right now, but I would like to
learn more about this, if I can. <<
Sorry, but the only way for the moment is to go back over my posts
from the last week or so. I don't have any pictures or any set
description of what I do.
I sort of built it based on a picture I saw in A Potter's Book. Just
trying to figure out what the person was doing. Plus I had a lot of
very hard clay that I couldn't do anything else with.
You can see the resulting plates on my website.
Russel
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