Angela Davis on wed 19 sep 07
Chae,
18 inches!? From the wall for a gas kiln? How did you come up with that
one?
I have a feeling you have not attended a gas kiln during firing.
If anything we say doesn't deter you have a chat with your home insurance
agent,
carbon monoxide is not the only problem with a gas kiln inside the house.
Also please call your kiln dealer and have him explain what is required to
house
your kiln safely.
Angela Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chaeli Sullivan"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Gas kiln inside
> Hello All
> Angela -- am so sorry about not replying. Have been right out straight
> trying to figure this whole "gas kiln inside the house" situation, line up
> options, and research the heck out of the subject of carbon monoxide.
> (Too, because i've be frazzled, didn't realize it was a personal email
> which makes me doubly sorry i didn't reply to your thoughtfullness.)
>
> OK -- here's the scoop as far as i'm able to currently configure it ....
>
> Air is 80% N2 + 20% O2. air = 0.8 (28 - molecular weight) + O.2 (32)= 29
> (exactly neutral, by definition)
> So pure carbon monoxide is actually about 3% lighter than air. But
> usually it is made in modest concentrations, mixed in with the normal
> combustion products: CO2, H2O. Which are always mixed with the 80%
> Nitrogen that never participates in burning. Then that mixes with room
> air, making an even smaller concentration.
> Plus -- it rises.
> So
> If one attaches (to the ceiling) a galvanized metal vent cone, dropping it
> by a chain/pulley system with the bottom of the cone resting 7 inches
> above the kiln (big enough diameter to cover the kiln's diameter) and has
> an exhaust fan (at least 265 CFM's) (placed inside the metal vent cone
> this will vent the fumes outside through the hose which is also
> attached --
> and one is relatively "safe". Additionally, open any available windows
> and/or doors.
> Putting fire brick under the kiln prevents damage to the floor. Kiln
> should be placed no less than 18 inches from any wall (more if you have
> the space) and should probably have a 4-5 foot clearance from the ceiling,
> tho the venting system deflects some of the heat.
> Additionally, one should stay with the kiln, watching it carefully to make
> sure the flames stay lit, etc.
> Hope that helps.
> Chae
>
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:03:40 -0500, Angela Davis
> wrote:
>
>>Hi Karen,
>>Good to see a post from you,
>>however I was the first one to tell Chae NOT to place
>>a gas kiln in the house. There are many reasons but I thought
>>the threat of death would be a good deterrant.
>>
>>Hopefully Chae has taken the good advice from the list.
>>I have not had a reply to my email directly to him/her
>>and I've not seen one posted to the list.
>>
>>So if you read this Chae please let us know you will not
>>place the gas kiln in the house. We need to get a little
>>sleep.
>>
>>Angela Davis
>>
>>In Homosassa, rainy and cool!
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Karen Sullivan"
>>To:
>>Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 2:46 PM
>>Subject: Gas kiln inside
>>
>>
>>> Angela...
>>> Perhaps you need more technical information
>>> About the reasons why it is not a good idea
>>> To fire the kiln inside a building...
>>> At about 1000 degrees the kiln begins to
>>> Vent sulpher and other organic materials
>>> That are waste materials in the clay....
>>> Those are not good to breathe in...
>>> And those waste materials are important
>>> To fire out of the vessels we make...
>>>
>>> Also another fairly significant gas
>>> That comes from a gas firing is carbon
>>> Monoxide...if you breathe in enough
>>> Carbon monoxide it can kill you...
>>> And this gas is significant in the combustion
>>> Of gas appliances....to recognize...try to
>>> Remember to odor of reduction....
>>>
>>> Perhaps just functionally...the wood
>>> Frame of a house can only absorb about
>>> 150 degrees of heat repeatedly over time...before
>>> The wood will ignite...
>>>
>>> So there are various reasons not to
>>> Fire inside a building....
>>> It seems a waste to watch the heat
>>> That you want to use for warmth..
>>> Dissipate into the air...but it is wise
>>> To do so...
>>>
>>> Take care
>>> Bamboo karen
>>>
>>>
>
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Chaeli Sullivan on thu 20 sep 07
Hi Angela
That's where the info on the 18 inches from any wall came from. I called
both the manufacturer of these kilns and the dealorship which was selling
them. Had extensive conversations with both, checking and double checking
information. Also, asked right straight out -- can i use this inside my
house, and what are the regulations of safety. Also, the manual which
came with the kiln stated the 18 inches.
This is not a huge kiln. Have taken the center ring out so at best it's
between 18-20 inches tall. I do run my electric kilns in the kitchen to
Cone 6 (2232 degrees F) and will be running this one to the very same
temps. The electric kilns were actually closer to the ceiling than this
one is (with the center ring removed).
In researching carbon monoxide was surprized to find that electric kilns
(which we all consider to be "safe") also emit carbon monoxide !!! That
surprized the dickens out of me!
And as i mentioned earlier -- with the proper venting system all the fumes
are vented outside. Not to worry.
Thanks for your input.
Chae
P.S. Kitchen is large and have placed this kiln further from walls than
the required 18 inches.
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:57:18 -0500, Angela Davis
wrote:
>Chae,
>18 inches!? From the wall for a gas kiln? How did you come up with that
>one?
>I have a feeling you have not attended a gas kiln during firing.
>
>If anything we say doesn't deter you have a chat with your home insurance
>agent,
>carbon monoxide is not the only problem with a gas kiln inside the house.
>
>Also please call your kiln dealer and have him explain what is required to
>house
>your kiln safely.
>
>Angela Davis
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chaeli Sullivan"
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:33 PM
>Subject: Re: Gas kiln inside
>
>
>> Hello All
>> Angela -- am so sorry about not replying. Have been right out straight
>> trying to figure this whole "gas kiln inside the house" situation, line
up
>> options, and research the heck out of the subject of carbon monoxide.
>> (Too, because i've be frazzled, didn't realize it was a personal email
>> which makes me doubly sorry i didn't reply to your thoughtfullness.)
>>
>>
Dolita Dohrman on thu 20 sep 07
I cannot believe you are running electric kilns in your kitchen! By
the way, everyone on this list is well aware that electric kilns
produce carbon monoxide also...and you did not know this? My advice
is...GET ALL OF THE KILNS OUT OF YOUR KITCHEN! (Yes, I am yelling)
Dolita
On Sep 20, 2007, at 1:34 AM, Chaeli Sullivan wrote:
> I do run my electric kilns in the kitchen to
> Cone 6 (2232 degrees F) and will be running this one to the very same
> temps. The electric kilns were actually closer to the ceiling than
> this
> one is (with the center ring removed).
> In researching carbon monoxide was surprized to find that electric
> kilns
> (which we all consider to be "safe") also emit carbon monoxide !!!
> That
> surprized the dickens out of me!
> And as i mentioned earlier -- with the proper venting system all
> the fumes
> are vented outside. Not to worry.
Rose Bauer on thu 20 sep 07
A police officer I know says....
and I quote....
"I've attended many an accident scene and you'd be surprised at the creative ways people find to kill
themselves ...... you just can't fix stupid".
end of quote.
rose bauer
info@flatrockclay.com on thu 20 sep 07
Before you get too far with this, have you checked with your insurance company. Many do not cover kilns inside the home proper (garage ok) without an extra clause or $. They may also have other requirments regarding location and safety info. Heat damages over time and after a regular amt of exposure to heat, wood and paper products catch fire at lower temps than the 400 or so degrees. These are all things to think about. I have a friend that lost their kiln and outdoor shed due to this fact. Good luck, Kelley
Chaeli Sullivan wrote: Hi Angela
That's where the info on the 18 inches from any wall came from. I called
both the manufacturer of these kilns and the dealorship which was selling
them. Had extensive conversations with both, checking and double checking
information. Also, asked right straight out -- can i use this inside my
house, and what are the regulations of safety. Also, the manual which
came with the kiln stated the 18 inches.
This is not a huge kiln. Have taken the center ring out so at best it's
between 18-20 inches tall. I do run my electric kilns in the kitchen to
Cone 6 (2232 degrees F) and will be running this one to the very same
temps. The electric kilns were actually closer to the ceiling than this
one is (with the center ring removed).
In researching carbon monoxide was surprized to find that electric kilns
(which we all consider to be "safe") also emit carbon monoxide !!! That
surprized the dickens out of me!
And as i mentioned earlier -- with the proper venting system all the fumes
are vented outside. Not to worry.
Thanks for your input.
Chae
P.S. Kitchen is large and have placed this kiln further from walls than
the required 18 inches.
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:57:18 -0500, Angela Davis
wrote:
>Chae,
>18 inches!? From the wall for a gas kiln? How did you come up with that
>one?
>I have a feeling you have not attended a gas kiln during firing.
>
>If anything we say doesn't deter you have a chat with your home insurance
>agent,
>carbon monoxide is not the only problem with a gas kiln inside the house.
>
>Also please call your kiln dealer and have him explain what is required to
>house
>your kiln safely.
>
>Angela Davis
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chaeli Sullivan"
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:33 PM
>Subject: Re: Gas kiln inside
>
>
>> Hello All
>> Angela -- am so sorry about not replying. Have been right out straight
>> trying to figure this whole "gas kiln inside the house" situation, line
up
>> options, and research the heck out of the subject of carbon monoxide.
>> (Too, because i've be frazzled, didn't realize it was a personal email
>> which makes me doubly sorry i didn't reply to your thoughtfullness.)
>>
>>
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Dannon Rhudy on sat 22 sep 07
Angela said:
> I've begun to wonder also if someone isn't jerking our
> string. Way to strange.
No, no - just someone trying for a high spot on the
annual Darwin awards.
regards
Dannon Rhudy
Tom at Hutchtel.net on sat 22 sep 07
From: "Angela Davis" Subject: Re: Gas kiln inside home
> I've begun to wonder also if someone isn't jerking our
> string. Way to strange.
>
> Angela Davis
>
Angela, You may well be right. After a little digging I came up with this:
Basics
Yahoo! ID:
chaetoons
Real Name:
Chaeli Sullivan
Nickname:
Chae
Location:
Quartzsite, AZ
Age:
Marital Status:
No Answer
Sex:
Female
Occupation:
Flash/Web Designer/Humorist
Links
Home Page:
geocities.com/chaetoons/DynamicWebDesign.html
Cool Link 1
www.chaetoons.com
Cool Link 2
www.chaetoons.com/CodNHerring.htm
On Yahoo!
Note the "humorist".
Tom Wirt
Charles Hightower on sat 22 sep 07
Wow. Is this a joke thread or what? I can't count how many problems there
are with this. For one, unlike your electric, I'm guessing you have a large
hole in the top of your gas thats going to be emitting massive amounts of
heat and flame. Don't do it. Why can't you just but it outside? Put a tarp
over it when not in use.
Angela Davis on sat 22 sep 07
I've begun to wonder also if someone isn't jerking our
string. Way to strange.
Angela Davis
In sane Homosassa (for now anyway)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Hightower"
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: Gas kiln inside home
> Wow. Is this a joke thread or what? I can't count how many problems there
> are with this. For one, unlike your electric, I'm guessing you have a
> large
> hole in the top of your gas thats going to be emitting massive amounts of
> heat and flame. Don't do it. Why can't you just but it outside? Put a tarp
> over it when not in use.
>
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Gayle Bair on sun 23 sep 07
Well, I have been to Quartzite AZ several times and can say
outside of a few commercial businesses, fast food restaurants, gas stations,
there are a billion RVs sites. see:
http://www.desertusa.com/Cities/az/quartzsite.html
Oh yes, we read an article in the Tucson paper about a book store owner
is a character & practicing nudist. We threaten each other to go there each
time we
pass through.... but eeeewww if we go before lunch we'll not want to go to
lunch...
if we go after lunch we'll lose it.
As hot as it gets there were she to fire a gas kiln in her kitchen we'd
watch
the largest RV fire on CNN!
Oh and "chatoons" domain name expired on 8/20/07
Gayle Bair - ok....before I upset anyone... I apologize to any nudists out
there
Bainbridge Island, WA
Tucson, AZ
http://claybair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom at
From: "Angela Davis" Subject: Re: Gas kiln inside home
> I've begun to wonder also if someone isn't jerking our
> string. Way to strange.
>
> Angela Davis
>
Angela, You may well be right. After a little digging I came up with this:
Basics
Yahoo! ID:
chaetoons
Real Name:
Chaeli Sullivan
Nickname:
Chae
Location:
Quartzsite, AZ
Age:
Marital Status:
No Answer
Sex:
Female
Occupation:
Flash/Web Designer/Humorist
Links
Home Page:
geocities.com/chaetoons/DynamicWebDesign.html
Cool Link 1
www.chaetoons.com
Cool Link 2
www.chaetoons.com/CodNHerring.htm
On Yahoo!
Note the "humorist".
Tom Wirt
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