Lili Krakowski on tue 25 sep 07
Marek writes:
"Dear Lili,
seen the drawing in Leach's book, never done it myself, but not only is it
viable, but it should be easier and quicker with larger amounts than by
hand.
However I disagree with you when you state that : -
" I agree that freshly
pugged clay needs no wedging--I never wedge mine that is for sure."
sorry mate, when you use clay for hand making, a properly hand prepared
(kneaded and wedged) clay cannot be beaten for responsiveness by a tightly
machined and memory knocked to kingdom come and back again piece of puged
clay."
You see, Newbies dear, this is what it is all about. I do not wedge my
pugs; I work on the wheel, I cone the clay up several times.
Marek works has a different opinion, works differently, and that is that.
Point being: Marek may throw ten pound lumps at a time,. these days I am
glad to manage 4. Marek may be working with porcelain, or this, or that
clay, quite different from the body I use.
All this applies at every stage, every aspect of pottery. So as you learn
from ClayArt and follow advice given, remember the innumerable differences
that come into play...try every bit of advice for yourself.
And for those new to pottery. We do not knead and pummel small cute dogs.
A pug is an extrusion from a pugmill, very much like sausage meat out of the
meat grinder. Kinda same idea as well.
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
Patrick Cross on tue 25 sep 07
...I just want to know how y'all get them lil' dogs to wedge clay for you.
How many Pugs does a one-potter studio need?
Patrick Cross (cone10soda)
On 9/25/07, Lili Krakowski wrote:
>
> Marek writes:
>
> "Dear Lili,
> seen the drawing in Leach's book, never done it myself, but not only is it
> viable, but it should be easier and quicker with larger amounts than by
> hand.
> However I disagree with you when you state that : -
> " I agree that freshly
> pugged clay needs no wedging--I never wedge mine that is for sure."
>
> sorry mate, when you use clay for hand making, a properly hand prepared
> (kneaded and wedged) clay cannot be beaten for responsiveness by a tightly
> machined and memory knocked to kingdom come and back again piece of puged
> clay."
>
> You see, Newbies dear, this is what it is all about. I do not wedge my
> pugs; I work on the wheel, I cone the clay up several times.
> Marek works has a different opinion, works differently, and that is that.
>
> Point being: Marek may throw ten pound lumps at a time,. these days I am
> glad to manage 4. Marek may be working with porcelain, or this, or that
> clay, quite different from the body I use.
>
> All this applies at every stage, every aspect of pottery. So as you learn
> from ClayArt and follow advice given, remember the innumerable differences
> that come into play...try every bit of advice for yourself.
>
> And for those new to pottery. We do not knead and pummel small cute dogs.
> A pug is an extrusion from a pugmill, very much like sausage meat out of
> the
> meat grinder. Kinda same idea as well.
>
>
> Lili Krakowski
> Be of good courage
>
>
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Gayle Bair on tue 25 sep 07
Patrick.... pleased potters prefer
plenty puppy pug's pugilistic paws
producing perfectly produced pugs.
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
Tucson, AZ
http://claybair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Cross
...I just want to know how y'all get them lil' dogs to wedge clay for you.
How many Pugs does a one-potter studio need?
Patrick Cross (cone10soda)
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WJ Seidl on wed 26 sep 07
Patrick:
Suspending the dog's favorite type of doggie treat on a string
over the pile of "to be wedged" clay, and then jiggling the string
will usually cause the pup to dance and prance in circles on it's hind feet.
Around and around and around we go.....
ROFL
Wayne Seidl
Key West FL
where around here, the dogs look at me like "you must be kidding" and
just lie there
in the AC, waiting for dinner to be served
Patrick Cross wrote:
> ...I just want to know how y'all get them lil' dogs to wedge clay for you.
> How many Pugs does a one-potter studio need?
>
> Patrick Cross (cone10soda)
>
> On 9/25/07, Lili Krakowski wrote:
>
>> Marek writes:
>>
>> "Dear Lili,
>> seen the drawing in Leach's book, never done it myself, but not only is it
>> viable, but it should be easier and quicker with larger amounts than by
>> hand.
>> However I disagree with you when you state that : -
>> " I agree that freshly
>> pugged clay needs no wedging--I never wedge mine that is for sure."
>>
>> sorry mate, when you use clay for hand making, a properly hand prepared
>> (kneaded and wedged) clay cannot be beaten for responsiveness by a tightly
>> machined and memory knocked to kingdom come and back again piece of puged
>> clay."
>>
>> You see, Newbies dear, this is what it is all about. I do not wedge my
>> pugs; I work on the wheel, I cone the clay up several times.
>> Marek works has a different opinion, works differently, and that is that.
>>
>> Point being: Marek may throw ten pound lumps at a time,. these days I am
>> glad to manage 4. Marek may be working with porcelain, or this, or that
>> clay, quite different from the body I use.
>>
>> All this applies at every stage, every aspect of pottery. So as you learn
>> from ClayArt and follow advice given, remember the innumerable differences
>> that come into play...try every bit of advice for yourself.
>>
>> And for those new to pottery. We do not knead and pummel small cute dogs.
>> A pug is an extrusion from a pugmill, very much like sausage meat out of
>> the
>> meat grinder. Kinda same idea as well.
>>
>>
>> Lili Krakowski
>> Be of good courage
>>
>>
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>> melpots2@visi.com
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>>
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Patrick Cross on wed 26 sep 07
How many pugs can a fuzzy-pug, pug
if a fuzzy-pug could pug pugs?
Pugtrick Cross
(cone10soda)
On 9/26/07, WJ Seidl wrote:
>
> Patrick:
> Suspending the dog's favorite type of doggie treat on a string
> over the pile of "to be wedged" clay, and then jiggling the string
> will usually cause the pup to dance and prance in circles on it's hind
> feet.
> Around and around and around we go.....
> ROFL
> Wayne Seidl
> Key West FL
> where around here, the dogs look at me like "you must be kidding" and
> just lie there
> in the AC, waiting for dinner to be served
>
> Patrick Cross wrote:
> > ...I just want to know how y'all get them lil' dogs to wedge clay for
> you.
> > How many Pugs does a one-potter studio need?
> >
> > Patrick Cross (cone10soda)
> >
> > On 9/25/07, Lili Krakowski wrote:
> >
> >> Marek writes:
> >>
> >> "Dear Lili,
> >> seen the drawing in Leach's book, never done it myself, but not only is
> it
> >> viable, but it should be easier and quicker with larger amounts than by
> >> hand.
> >> However I disagree with you when you state that : -
> >> " I agree that freshly
> >> pugged clay needs no wedging--I never wedge mine that is for sure."
> >>
> >> sorry mate, when you use clay for hand making, a properly hand prepared
> >> (kneaded and wedged) clay cannot be beaten for responsiveness by a
> tightly
> >> machined and memory knocked to kingdom come and back again piece of
> puged
> >> clay."
> >>
> >> You see, Newbies dear, this is what it is all about. I do not wedge my
> >> pugs; I work on the wheel, I cone the clay up several times.
> >> Marek works has a different opinion, works differently, and that is
> that.
> >>
> >> Point being: Marek may throw ten pound lumps at a time,. these days I
> am
> >> glad to manage 4. Marek may be working with porcelain, or this, or
> that
> >> clay, quite different from the body I use.
> >>
> >> All this applies at every stage, every aspect of pottery. So as you
> learn
> >> from ClayArt and follow advice given, remember the innumerable
> differences
> >> that come into play...try every bit of advice for yourself.
> >>
> >> And for those new to pottery. We do not knead and pummel small cute
> dogs.
> >> A pug is an extrusion from a pugmill, very much like sausage meat out
> of
> >> the
> >> meat grinder. Kinda same idea as well.
> >>
> >>
> >> Lili Krakowski
> >> Be of good courage
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
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Ellen Currans on wed 26 sep 07
I can tell you on the basis of 7 years experience with a studio PUG
that they can't (or won't) pug pugs, nor will they wedge clay. Mine
will "bury" her chewies for later on top of plastic bags of already
pugged clay or under dusty benches - somehow she realizes it is dirt.
Before she learned manners she would pee on clay bags rather than
anything else. She will grab any bit of overhanging plastic and rip
off around the studio, so you really don't want to leave pots covered
with plastic close to the ground. She loves sponges but doesn't
destroy them - just carries them around just out of your reach. She
insists on being involved in every part of the process and moves from
throwing to slab work to glazing with her own portable bed. When she
is bored she comes over and sticks her head between your legs until you
stop what you are doing and notice her. When customers come to the
showroom, she gets up on the wheel and then the bench beside it, so she
can watch over the half door to see what they are doing. If you let
her in the showroom she will want to lick their feet if they are
wearing sandals, so she gets excluded pretty quickly. She has
appropriated the largest recliner in the studio for her own, so anyone
who wants to sit or snooze in that chair has to put up with a warm dog
wedged in along side them, or on top. I know Lili doesn't approve of
pets in the studio but we have always had a couple dogs and cats in and
out, and the companionship and love is well worth a bit more dust.
Since I spend most all of my time in the studio, when would I enjoy my
pets if they were excluded? If you have ever seen a pug do a pug dance
- they squeeze their chunky little bodies into a tight ball and whirl
in circles, you would know how much fun they can be. The pug books will
all tell you that they are not bred to "do anything." Not meant to
herd, protect, fight, catch rodents or pug clay. Just be a good
companion to a lucky human. They are sweet little dogs that cuddle
close and make purring noises in their throats. Mine, by the way, is
named CARBON TRAP SHINO, which describes her buff and black markings.
Shino for short.
By the way, if I were to need to put two pugs together (clay that is)
to make a large slab, I would start out by slamming them down on the
wedging table to get the length I wanted, then use a heavy mallet to
flatten them further, and then slam the two together and pound again
with the mallet. But, if I already had carpal tunnel or some other
kind of arthriitis, wrist, bursitis problems, I don't think I would
continue to try to body wrestle that much clay into a slab. We pug our
clay in l4 lb pugs for slabs and that would mean manhandling 28 pounds
of clay. Not a problem probably for the young and healthy. For me at
almost 75 with arthritis, just not worth it. The hardest lesson I am
learning the past year or so is to let go of my own expectations for
production. I still work everyday but I don't get as much done as I
used to. Next week, for the first time in years I will be going to a
show with only 4 firings, when my normal production is 7 or 8. This
is a show I have been a part of for 40 years and we are celebrating our
40th Anniversary. I find it hard to admit that I just can't get as much
done as I use to, and I feel badly about disappointing long time
customers (and their grandchildren) but that's life. I guess it is
time to move onto more special and individual pots - maybe cremation
urns?
Ellen Currans
Dundee, Oregon
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Cross
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 8:08 am
Subject: Re: Wedging with one's feet; now wedging pugs
How many pugs can a fuzzy-pug, pug
if a fuzzy-pug could pug pugs?
Pugtrick Cross
(cone10soda)
On 9/26/07, WJ Seidl wrote:
>
> Patrick:
> Suspending the dog's favorite type of doggie treat on a string
> over the pile of "to be wedged" clay, and then jiggling the string
> will usually cause the pup to dance and prance in circles on it's hind
> feet.
> Around and around and around we go.....
> ROFL
> Wayne Seidl
> Key West FL
> where around here, the dogs look at me like "you must be kidding" and
> just lie there
> in the AC, waiting for dinner to be served
>
> Patrick Cross wrote:
> > ...I just want to know how y'all get them lil' dogs to wedge clay
for
> you.
> > How many Pugs does a one-potter studio need?
> >
> > Patrick Cross (cone10soda)
> >
> > On 9/25/07, Lili Krakowski wrote:
> >
> >> Marek writes:
> >>
> >> "Dear Lili,
> >> seen the drawing in Leach's book, never done it myself, but not
only is
> it
> >> viable, but it should be easier and quicker with larger amounts
than by
> >> hand.
> >> However I disagree with you when you state that : -
> >> " I agree that freshly
> >> pugged clay needs no wedging--I never wedge mine that is for sure."
> >>
> >> sorry mate, when you use clay for hand making, a properly hand
prepared
> >> (kneaded and wedged) clay cannot be beaten for responsiveness by a
> tightly
> >> machined and memory knocked to kingdom come and back again piece of
> puged
> >> clay."
> >>
> >> You see, Newbies dear, this is what it is all about. I do not
wedge my
> >> pugs; I work on the wheel, I cone the clay up several times.
> >> Marek works has a different opinion, works differently, and that is
> that.
> >>
> >> Point being: Marek may throw ten pound lumps at a time,. these
days I
> am
> >> glad to manage 4. Marek may be working with porcelain, or this, or
> that
> >> clay, quite different from the body I use.
> >>
> >> All this applies at every stage, every aspect of pottery. So as
you
> learn
> >> from ClayArt and follow advice given, remember the innumerable
> differences
> >> that come into play...try every bit of advice for yourself.
> >>
> >> And for those new to pottery. We do not knead and pummel small
cute
> dogs.
> >> A pug is an extrusion from a pugmill, very much like sausage meat
out
> of
> >> the
> >> meat grinder. Kinda same idea as well.
> >>
> >>
> >> Lili Krakowski
> >> Be of good courage
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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