Dannon Rhudy on tue 2 oct 07
Anne, I used to have a student who made
those things frequently. They distorted sometimes,
cracked sometimes - but since you've already made
them you might as well glaze and fire them, see
what happens. Pointless to "take them apart" -
you'll have more problems than you know putting
them back together. They won't fit properly because
of the kerf where you disassemble them.
Just try it. Glaze 'em up. That'll be a challenge,
too. The worst that can happen is that
you won't like the results. If you don't, then
try another approach.
regards
Dannon Rhudy
Anne Doyle on tue 2 oct 07
Dear Claybuds,
i have a major hesitation with my newest project.
I have made cake stands: 10-12-14" slab slumped plates on wheel-thrown
stands about 3 1/2 inches in diameter at the top where they are connected
and much wider at the bottom...
I waited til both parts were even dryness and assembled them. They worked
out beautifully but now i don't know if i can actually fire them without
them getting all distorted... I thought i could bisque them upside down on
the plate rim and then glaze them standing up, but now i fear i should
have assembled them with glue after the glazing...? (i dunno what i was
thinking actually... i wasn't thinking that far ahead at the time, mind on
aging parents and all that...)
Has anyone ever made these and what do you suggest? I could try to take
them apart and then reassemble them with E6000 after glazing but i was
hoping they could be fused together with the glaze...
Another newbie mind-fart i fear...
As always your contructive advice is much appreciated and i thank you in
advance for any light you are able to shed into this minor darkness...
Anne,
in Saint-Sauveur, QC,
where life is slowly getting back to normal after 2 1/2 weeks of my dad
being in hospital and having surgery and all that... he's home and much
better, thank goodness, and i can now get back to making things for this
upcoming show dec 1-2... The new slab roller arrived last week and it is
dreamy!!....
Victoria E. Hamilton on tue 2 oct 07
Hi Anne -
Here's what I do with cake plates:
Throw the stand and the plate separately.
Throw the plate thick enough so that you can create a gallery for the stand
to fit in as you are trimming the plate on the bottom. Measure the stand
and the gallery on the bottom of the plate the same way you'd measure a pot
to put a lid on it.
Bisque and glaze fire the pieces separately. When they are finished, the
top of the stand will fit into the gallery you created by trimming the
bottom of the plate. You can either leave them separate if the gallery is
deep enough to hold the plate on the stand securely, or you can them epoxy
the plate on to the stand. The attachment will not show because the stand
is up inside the gallery of the bottom of the plate.
Does that make any sense? Hope this helps.
Vicki Hamilton
Millennia Antica Pottery
Seattle, WA
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From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Anne Doyle
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:58 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: [CLAYART] Advice please: Firing cake stands
Dear Claybuds,
i have a major hesitation with my newest project.
I have made cake stands: 10-12-14" slab slumped plates on wheel-thrown
stands about 3 1/2 inches in diameter at the top where they are connected
and much wider at the bottom...
I waited til both parts were even dryness and assembled them. They worked
out beautifully but now i don't know if i can actually fire them without
them getting all distorted... I thought i could bisque them upside down on
the plate rim and then glaze them standing up, but now i fear i should have
assembled them with glue after the glazing...? (i dunno what i was thinking
actually... i wasn't thinking that far ahead at the time, mind on aging
parents and all that...)
Has anyone ever made these and what do you suggest? I could try to take them
apart and then reassemble them with E6000 after glazing but i was hoping
they could be fused together with the glaze...
Another newbie mind-fart i fear...
As always your contructive advice is much appreciated and i thank you in
advance for any light you are able to shed into this minor darkness...
Anne,
in Saint-Sauveur, QC,
where life is slowly getting back to normal after 2 1/2 weeks of my dad
being in hospital and having surgery and all that... he's home and much
better, thank goodness, and i can now get back to making things for this
upcoming show dec 1-2... The new slab roller arrived last week and it is
dreamy!!....
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Susan Cline on tue 2 oct 07
Anne - I discovered while making birdbaths, very similar but taller,
that the stresses of firing such an attached piece were too much. The
difference in rate of shrinkage of the stem vs. the platter caused
irreparable cracking during the glaze firing.
I now make these in 2 pieces, with the platter having a collar that
fits inside the stem (much like a teapot). When finished, they are
assembled with silicone or E6000. With birdbaths, however, sometimes
the "glue" is not needed because the collar is long and keeps the piece
stable.
Hope this helps.
Sue Cline
Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
On Oct 2, 2007, at 5:58 PM, Anne Doyle wrote:
> Dear Claybuds,
>
> i have a major hesitation with my newest project.
>
> I have made cake stands: 10-12-14" slab slumped plates on wheel-thrown
> stands about 3 1/2 inches in diameter at the top where they are
> connected
> and much wider at the bottom...
>
> I waited til both parts were even dryness and assembled them. They
> worked
> out beautifully but now i don't know if i can actually fire them
> without
> them getting all distorted... I thought i could bisque them upside
> down on
> the plate rim and then glaze them standing up, but now i fear i should
> have assembled them with glue after the glazing...? (i dunno what i was
> thinking actually... i wasn't thinking that far ahead at the time,
> mind on
> aging parents and all that...)
>
> Has anyone ever made these and what do you suggest? I could try to take
> them apart and then reassemble them with E6000 after glazing but i was
> hoping they could be fused together with the glaze...
>
> Another newbie mind-fart i fear...
> As always your contructive advice is much appreciated and i thank you
> in
> advance for any light you are able to shed into this minor darkness...
>
> Anne,
> in Saint-Sauveur, QC,
> where life is slowly getting back to normal after 2 1/2 weeks of my dad
> being in hospital and having surgery and all that... he's home and much
> better, thank goodness, and i can now get back to making things for
> this
> upcoming show dec 1-2... The new slab roller arrived last week and it
> is
> dreamy!!....
>
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Tom at Hutchtel.net on wed 3 oct 07
Better than pieces, figure out a way to throw them as a single piece. It's
actually quite easy.
Tom Wirt
Michael Wendt on wed 3 oct 07
These are easier than you think!
Throw a cylinder with a bottom
(somewhat like a crock out of the
same clay body.
Make the cylinder the same height
inside as the cake stand and the same
diameter as the foot of the cake plate
portion. Set the cake plate and pedestal
inside the bisqued crock and fire away.
For complex shapes, think "supports that
shrink and travel the same as the piece".
Regards,
Michael Wendt
Wendt Pottery
2729 Clearwater Ave.
Lewiston, Id 83501
U.S.A.
208-746-3724
wendtpot@lewiston.com
http://www.wendtpottery.com
http://UniquePorcelainDesigns.com
Kenneth Chin-Purcell on thu 4 oct 07
Hi Anne,
My cake stands are made from two thrown pieces that I bisque
separately and glaze together. The top piece is thrown upside down
using 4 lbs of clay and pulling the base out to almost the edge of a
12 inch bat. I also pull a flange on the top piece rim and use a rib
to put an indent where the base will fit. The base is thrown from 2
lbs of clay.
I found by trial and error that to prevent sagging the top can't be
too thin and that the flange keeps the top from warping like a potato
chip.
The glazing together of the top and bottom has seemed fairly sturdy,
but one of my cake plates recently came back broken along that seam.
So I've been rethinking that strategy. Sure is handy though...
Pictures at http://www.bungalowpottery.com/page/serving
-- Ken C-P
In St. Anthony Park, St. Paul, MN
where haralson apples are in season
On Oct 2, 2007, at 4:58 PM, Anne Doyle wrote:
> I have made cake stands: 10-12-14" slab slumped plates on wheel-thrown
> stands about 3 1/2 inches in diameter at the top where they are
> connected
> and much wider at the bottom...
Diane Palmquist on thu 4 oct 07
Hi Michael,
Hope you don't mind me asking a few question about this process!
Why do you bisque the cylinder? Wouldn't the plate stand then be taller
than the cylinder?
Won't the plate stand still distort in the glaze firing?
Thanks I might give it a try!
Diane
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Wendt"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: Advice please: Firing cake stands
> These are easier than you think!
> Throw a cylinder with a bottom
> (somewhat like a crock out of the
> same clay body.
> Make the cylinder the same height
> inside as the cake stand and the same
> diameter as the foot of the cake plate
> portion. Set the cake plate and pedestal
> inside the bisqued crock and fire away.
> For complex shapes, think "supports that
> shrink and travel the same as the piece".
> Regards,
> Michael Wendt
> Wendt Pottery
> 2729 Clearwater Ave.
> Lewiston, Id 83501
> U.S.A.
> 208-746-3724
> wendtpot@lewiston.com
> http://www.wendtpottery.com
> http://UniquePorcelainDesigns.com
>
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Anne Doyle on thu 4 oct 07
Thank you Clayarters!
So many good ideas and new things to try, again!
Anyhow, for now i have successfully separated 2 of 3 stands, the smaller
one i left assembled and it will be my risk-taker.
I don't throw the plate part as i use textured slabs on these parts but in
future maybe i will try to throw one as one piece.
I also like the idea of using a crock to hold up the rim from the
underside, i had actually wondered if i could use kiln posts for this...
I shall report back to the list on any successes or failures as i
experiment with the different suggestions offered forth.
Thanx again,
Anne,
in Saint-Sauveur where the sun is shining and we are again experiencing
above normal temperatures and gorgeous fall weather in which to enjoy the
beautiful colours Mother Nature has put before us!
Its a feast for the eyes and soul...
Michael Wendt on thu 4 oct 07
Diane,
You need to make the cylinder the same
height bisqued as the plate with stem.
If this is too difficult, you can make the crock
a little taller and use a disk of clay under the
stem of the plate stand to support it at the correct
height by bedding sand under the disk and gently
turning the plate-stem assembly until it seats.
Since the crock is the same clay as the stem, the
two items shrink at the same rate in glaze fire and
result in a very nice true and level piece.
We fire lots of items this way that otherwise would
distort during the glaze fire.
Regards,
Michael Wendt
Wendt Pottery
2729 Clearwater Ave.
Lewiston, Id 83501
U.S.A.
208-746-3724
wendtpot@lewiston.com
http://www.wendtpottery.com
http://UniquePorcelainDesigns.com
Earl Krueger on fri 5 oct 07
On 10/3/07, Tom at Hutchtel.net wrote:
> Better than pieces, figure out a way to throw them as a single piece. It's
> actually quite easy.
Throw upside down.
Platter on the bat, foot in the air.
Right Tom ???
Earl Krueger
Elmira, Oregon, usa
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