primalmommy on tue 2 oct 07
If you mix your own ^10 stoneware -- a little lower is fine -- and you
really like it... would you be willing to share the "recipe"?
I want to mix a clay that is plastic, good for throwing in a wet
stage/without much water, and not too gritty/groggy. I don't need it to
be white, though lightish/buff is better than very dark.
As always, all I want is the impossible. A stoneware clay that throws
like B-mix, holds up to wood firing, salt firing, and ^6 reduction, and
makes all glazes happy.
(While I'm at it, I'd like 5 acres of land and a nice Jersey milk cow.)
And I know Dannon is going to say, "Try it and see what happens" --but
has anybody ever mixed porcelain into a stoneware body? What happened? I
have several green mossy tubs of slop porcelain somebody gave me years
ago. It's contaminated with some white mystery chunks but I might sieve
it in a thin state and add it to my stoneware mix. Unless it's a bad
idea for some reason. Anybody?
Yours
Kelly in Ohio, home from Dr. Rubenfeld's seminar class and loving this
from Sir Joshua Reynolds, Discourses in Art:
(Mel would like this one:)
"If you have great talents, industry will improve them; if you have but
moderate abilities, industry will supply their deficiency. Nothing is
denied to well directed labor; nothing is to be obtained without it."
and Diana would like this one:
"A student unacquainted with the attempts of former adventurers, is
always apt to over-rate his own abilities; to mistake the most trifling
excursions as discoveries of moment, every coast new to him, for a
newfound country. If by chance he passes beyond his usual limits, he
congratulates his own arrival at those regions which they who have
steered a better course have long left behind them."
And this roll-up-your-sleeves-and-get-going approach fits the EMU -- er,
Eastern Michigan University ceramic studio as well:
"The artist who has his mind thus filled with ideas, and his hand made
expert by practice, works with ease and readiness; whilst he who would
have you believe he is waiting for the inspirations of Genius, is in
reality at a loss how to begin.... "
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David McBeth on wed 3 oct 07
Kelly - you are in grad school right. you know the basic parimters of a =
stoneware body. Throw enough powder into the clay mixer to make a =
couple hundred pounds of clay and make some pots. I know, I know - the =
thesis culmination is looming close but give some things a try. You, =
only you can design the perfect body for you. Some porceleanous (sp) =
mix of the scraps is good for stoneware and visa versa. I have been =
throwing with grolleg porcelin (standard ceramics) and with lizella =
(from georgia, a beautiful clay by the way) and let the slip-slop mix =
while throwing alternately on the same wheel. The slip/slop makes a =
beautiful stone-ground mustard yellow that either gets darker or lighter =
depending on which clayi am throwing. This may not seem like it but it =
IS the time to play.
by the way - can't wait to see the thesis shows next spring. and will =
send the clay body formulas I used in grad school tomorrow, those are at =
the office.
all the best
Dave
David McBeth
330 B Gooch Hall
Department of Visual and Theatre Arts
University of Tennessee at Martin
Martin, Tennessee 38238
731-881-7416
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If you mix your own ^10 stoneware -- a little lower is fine -- and you
really like it... would you be willing to share the "recipe"?
I want to mix a clay that is plastic, good for throwing in a wet
stage/without much water, and not too gritty/groggy. I don't need it to
be white, though lightish/buff is better than very dark.
As always, all I want is the impossible. A stoneware clay that throws
like B-mix, holds up to wood firing, salt firing, and ^6 reduction, and
makes all glazes happy.
(While I'm at it, I'd like 5 acres of land and a nice Jersey milk cow.)
And I know Dannon is going to say, "Try it and see what happens" --but
has anybody ever mixed porcelain into a stoneware body? What happened? I
have several green mossy tubs of slop porcelain somebody gave me years
ago. It's contaminated with some white mystery chunks but I might sieve
it in a thin state and add it to my stoneware mix. Unless it's a bad
idea for some reason. Anybody?
Yours
Kelly in Ohio, home from Dr. Rubenfeld's seminar class and loving this
from Sir Joshua Reynolds, Discourses in Art:
(Mel would like this one:)
"If you have great talents, industry will improve them; if you have but
moderate abilities, industry will supply their deficiency. Nothing is
denied to well directed labor; nothing is to be obtained without it."
and Diana would like this one:
"A student unacquainted with the attempts of former adventurers, is
always apt to over-rate his own abilities; to mistake the most trifling
excursions as discoveries of moment, every coast new to him, for a
newfound country. If by chance he passes beyond his usual limits, he
congratulates his own arrival at those regions which they who have
steered a better course have long left behind them."
And this roll-up-your-sleeves-and-get-going approach fits the EMU -- er,
Eastern Michigan University ceramic studio as well:
"The artist who has his mind thus filled with ideas, and his hand made
expert by practice, works with ease and readiness; whilst he who would
have you believe he is waiting for the inspirations of Genius, is in
reality at a loss how to begin.... "
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Maggie Jones on wed 3 oct 07
Yes, I have mixed stoneware and porcelain, I have also mixed local clays
with procelain and with stoneware.
stoneware and porcelain (actually midrange of both oxidation fired) made
a nice smooth stoneware clay.
try it...try them all.
Maggie
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:38:38 -0700 primalmommy
writes:
> If you mix your own ^10 stoneware -- a little lower is fine -- and
> you
> really like it... would you be willing to share the "recipe"?
>
> I want to mix a clay that is plastic, good for throwing in a wet
> stage/without much water, and not too gritty/groggy. I don't need it
> to
> be white, though lightish/buff is better than very dark.
>
> As always, all I want is the impossible. A stoneware clay that
> throws
> like B-mix, holds up to wood firing, salt firing, and ^6 reduction,
> and
> makes all glazes happy.
>
> (While I'm at it, I'd like 5 acres of land and a nice Jersey milk
> cow.)
>
> And I know Dannon is going to say, "Try it and see what happens"
> --but
> has anybody ever mixed porcelain into a stoneware body? What
> happened? I
> have several green mossy tubs of slop porcelain somebody gave me
> years
> ago. It's contaminated with some white mystery chunks but I might
> sieve
> it in a thin state and add it to my stoneware mix. Unless it's a
> bad
> idea for some reason. Anybody?
>
> Yours
> Kelly in Ohio, home from Dr. Rubenfeld's seminar class and loving
> this
> from Sir Joshua Reynolds, Discourses in Art:
>
> (Mel would like this one:)
>
> "If you have great talents, industry will improve them; if you have
> but
> moderate abilities, industry will supply their deficiency. Nothing
> is
> denied to well directed labor; nothing is to be obtained without
> it."
>
> and Diana would like this one:
>
> "A student unacquainted with the attempts of former adventurers, is
> always apt to over-rate his own abilities; to mistake the most
> trifling
> excursions as discoveries of moment, every coast new to him, for a
> newfound country. If by chance he passes beyond his usual limits,
> he
> congratulates his own arrival at those regions which they who have
> steered a better course have long left behind them."
>
> And this roll-up-your-sleeves-and-get-going approach fits the EMU --
> er,
> Eastern Michigan University ceramic studio as well:
>
> "The artist who has his mind thus filled with ideas, and his hand
> made
> expert by practice, works with ease and readiness; whilst he who
> would
> have you believe he is waiting for the inspirations of Genius, is
> in
> reality at a loss how to begin.... "
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.primalpotter.com
> http://www.primalmommy.com/blog.html
>
>
> See Mexico for less! Click now for great vacation deals!
>
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Weiland, Jeff on wed 3 oct 07
Kelly,
As a high school teacher, the statements get much simpler such as: "A
narrow mind and a loud mouth usually go together"!!!! I have this
printed on my wall and repeat it often to some of my students.=20
For those students who think that they have arrived at some artistic
plateau, I usually give them the lecture about how we never artistically
arrive but that rather we should all be able, after finishing any given
artistic endeavor, to critically evaluate our success and identify where
we can improve the next time.=20
Jeff Weiland
Greenfield-Central High School
810 North Broadway
Greenfield, Indiana 46140
317-462-9211
jweiland@gcsc.k12.in.us
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From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of primalmommy
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:39 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: If you love your body....
And this roll-up-your-sleeves-and-get-going approach fits the EMU -- er,
Eastern Michigan University ceramic studio as well:
"The artist who has his mind thus filled with ideas, and his hand made
expert by practice, works with ease and readiness; whilst he who would
have you believe he is waiting for the inspirations of Genius, is in
reality at a loss how to begin.... "
Michael Wendt on wed 3 oct 07
Kelly,
Try a box of my Helmer cone 10 body.
$9.50/38 LBS
$8.95 for USPS flat rate shipping.
Total price delivered=
$18.45
MC/VISA/DISCOVER/AMEX
Ships priority mail in 3-4 days
in the 48 states, Alaska and Hawaii.
If you like it, the recipe is open so you can
mix it at your end from materials you
buy dry and just have your supplier
order in a ton or 2 of Helmer Kaolin
bagged.
Regards,
Michael Wendt
Wendt Pottery
2729 Clearwater Ave.
Lewiston, Id 83501
U.S.A.
208-746-3724
wendtpot@lewiston.com
http://www.wendtpottery.com
http://UniquePorcelainDesigns.com
WJ Seidl on thu 4 oct 07
I can attest to what Michael says.
The clay is WONDERFUL.
I'm really going to enjoy using this.
I just received the four boxes I ordered.
The Post Office beat the crap out of them.
Split seams, bulging smashed corners with
the bags peeking out (but still sealed fine).
They got here in two days and all together,
which surprised the heck out of me. And, it
was much cheaper than I could order locally,
even coming all the way from Idaho.
A domestic (US) porcelain from someone on Clayart
that actually knows the mines...you can't ask for better!
I'm impressed.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
Michael Wendt wrote:
> Kelly,
> Try a box of my Helmer cone 10 body.
> $9.50/38 LBS
> $8.95 for USPS flat rate shipping.
> Total price delivered=
> $18.45
> MC/VISA/DISCOVER/AMEX
> Ships priority mail in 3-4 days
> in the 48 states, Alaska and Hawaii.
> If you like it, the recipe is open so you can
> mix it at your end from materials you
> buy dry and just have your supplier
> order in a ton or 2 of Helmer Kaolin
> bagged.
> Regards,
> Michael Wendt
> Wendt Pottery
> 2729 Clearwater Ave.
> Lewiston, Id 83501
> U.S.A.
> 208-746-3724
> wendtpot@lewiston.com
> http://www.wendtpottery.com
> http://UniquePorcelainDesigns.com
>
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Marta Matray on thu 4 oct 07
actually i do.
i do love my body.
see, its not perfect, never has been, and nowdays its
getting older and older, but its still ok.
i mean i am not eighteen anymore - surprise!!!
but kelly dear, i tell you: you better love
your body, b/c if you dont, noone will...
hey, really, i am serious...
marta
http://www.angelfire.com/mn2/marta/
claystevslat on thu 4 oct 07
I was once given a bag of an alleged "Cone 6 Coleman Porcelain" some
time back. I had always maintained two reclaim buckets, and when I
was working with porcelain one of them was porcelain and the other
whatever, but at this juncture the buckets were 'dark speckled'
and 'white,' both stoneware.
I took the trims and slop from the ^6CP and incorporated it into the
'white' bucket, figuring it couldn't do any harm and might show up as
a smoother mung.
The ^6CP didn't mix at all, and didn't rehydrate along with the white
stoneware. The recycled clay didn't 'work' properly, and rewedging
and cut-stack-slam wedging didn't seem to help. Finally I threw out
a 5 gal. bucket full of recycled clay just to be sure I got rid of
the contamination of the porcelain.
FWIW, my experiences with occasionally mixing Clay Art Center's
NZ-4 porcelain, grolleg, or Seattle Pottery Supply's Crystal White
mix in just fine and have minimal effect on my main light clay --
which is usually OH-6, Vashon Buff, Sea Mix-5 or Klamath White. (I
have never mixed porcelain with Goldstone, Cassius, or Vashon Orange.)
-- Steve Slatin
Ron Roy on sun 7 oct 07
Hi Kelly,
If you take the chunks out you will change the body - that maybe OK but
test a small amount.
I used to mix Hoppers clay for him many years ago and the mixer made a
mistake and used some Valentine clay instead of ball or kaolin - Valentine
clay was full of iron but refractory - the body fired out pink. I offered
to redo it all of course but Robin said it was OK - it worked and he did
not mind the colour. So you can mix the two different kinds of clay - if
there is a lot of iron and you fire it in reduction you may get too much
melting - so test it first.
RR
>have several green mossy tubs of slop porcelain somebody gave me years
>ago. It's contaminated with some white mystery chunks but I might sieve
>it in a thin state and add it to my stoneware mix. Unless it's a bad
>idea for some reason. Anybody?
>
>Yours
>Kelly
Ron Roy
RR#4
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1H0
Chris trabka on wed 31 oct 07
Kelly,
I get my clay from Continental in MN. Years ago I ran into some problems
when I used their white stoneware in a heavy reduction atmosphere.
To "open" the clay I mixed the white stoneware with their domestic
porcelain. The result has been very satisfactory. The "mix" has the best of
both worlds, good throwing, great whiteness, good glaze fit for the glazes
I use. I will caution, it is not a clay for beginners. You must know where
you are going and get there quickly. Too much dawdling and failed forms
will result. Since this is a custom mix, I have been able to specify how
much water to add into the mix. My clay is quite soft. Further, I only use
water for centering. On the pulls to make a form I use a slip that is the
consistency of thick whipped cream.
Chris
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