Lee Love on sun 28 oct 07
On 10/28/07, Timothy Joko-Veltman wrote:
> Not likely. I know some different Japanese family names (I have one
> myself), but "daiyuu" or "oo-abura" is a very unlikely candidate.
> Furthermore, while the "fuji" in Fujiwara is indeed a wisteria (as is
> the "dou" in Kondou, and the "tou" in Saitou), the plants around the
> edge appear to be wheat.
During the Meiji, common folks were force to take family names and
crests. Many like the fujiwara.
BUt you are right, it does look like wheat, not wisteria. But
it is formed like the wisteria. I shared it with Jean just now
during Google Chat, and she thinks it is a biscuit stamp, on something
similar to a Japanese version of oblatten cookies. That might fit
better with wheat. A "company crest."
You often see symbols and characters matched up with old
crests, maybe so people don't confuse them with the original. There
are many Fujiwara crest in the cemetaries in Mashiko. We were told
by the director of the Mooka commuity center, whose last name is
Hasimoto, that many of
My family name is Hashimoto and goes with the Fujiwara
wistera crest. It is a Kuge name and goes way back before the Meji.
Read about Kuge names here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kuge_families
--
Lee in Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
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Timothy Joko-Veltman on sun 28 oct 07
Literally: "Great Oil" ... but the second character is not mirrored
in the stamp, so it will turn out mirrored when you use it.
Cheers,
Tim
On 10/28/07, The Goodsons wrote:
> Hello! Clayart artists. Good day to you all. I found a handmade
> plaster stamp in an art store in Charleston. I think the artist made if
> from a butter mold, possibly. It is in another
> language-Chinese?Japanese? I have tried to translate it by looking in
> books, and by looking on the internet. I have had no luck.
>
> I have posted a photo on flickr
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/clayart
>
> I am using it on some pottery pieces and I would love to know what it
> means. I will appreciate any help.
> Thanks so much,
> Linda Goodson
> Lincolnton, NC
>
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Lee Love on sun 28 oct 07
On 10/28/07, Timothy Joko-Veltman wrote:
> Literally: "Great Oil" ... but the second character is not mirrored
> in the stamp, so it will turn out mirrored when you use it.
>
> Cheers,
The crest is of wistera and is related to the Fujiwara family. My
mother's family crest is the same, but with the tips pointed down.
The entire image is probably a family crest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujiwara_clan
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Timothy Joko-Veltman on sun 28 oct 07
On 10/28/07, Lee Love wrote:
> The entire image is probably a family crest.
Not likely. I know some different Japanese family names (I have one
myself), but "daiyuu" or "oo-abura" is a very unlikely candidate.
Furthermore, while the "fuji" in Fujiwara is indeed a wisteria (as is
the "dou" in Kondou, and the "tou" in Saitou), the plants around the
edge appear to be wheat.
Cheers,
Tim
Ric Swenson on mon 29 oct 07
not common...in Chinese symbolism now.... but....
=20
the white plaster figures are correct... at least in Chinese......the clay =
glazed figure is reversed according to my Chinese linguist friend....potter=
's error?
=20
It means 'big or great or strong' ...and second symbol is 'oil ...for coo=
king ...or for lubrication'.=20
=20
So...BIG OIL ??? yeah .... maybe....but what does THAT mean? (With oil pri=
ces at $92. USD a barrel...maybe it's a current comment on the economy?? He=
he. Maybe it's an old 'Rockefeller' Crest?)
=20
Not common symbols for China...so maybe 'bastardized' by Korea or Japan? T=
he origins of the symbols are common at times...=20
=20
Can someone 'weigh in' from Korea or Japan? The origin of the symbols may =
be Chinese...but it appears this symbol is not in any kind of common use in=
China now.
=20
Ric, in JingDeZhen
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dave Pike on mon 29 oct 07
Hello,
If you search "ooyu" you will find a place in Kyoto with that name although
the place name is "ooyugo". It seems reasonable that it might also be a
family name albeit an unusual one. There is also a ramen dish for 600 yen,
http://roumen.exblog.jp/6348341/ called ooyu ramen. Since the "yu" isn't
reversed I would think it isn't a stamp and instead either a mistake someone
made or something else all together.
Dave
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The Goodsons on mon 29 oct 07
Dear Ric, Tim and Lee,
Thank you all so much. Yes, it was definitely a potter's error (mine)
that it reads incorrectly. The plaster piece was taken from the
original mold. The artist that made the plaster piece did not intend it
to be used as a stamp. I saw it in his shop, and immediately thought
"what a great pottery stamp" I forgot that if the symbols stood for
words that they would be inversed.
I am going to try and make a bisque clay mold of the plaster mold and
then I will have the words correct.
Big oil - hummm! (I was hoping for "great day" , peace, love, or
joy!!!!) I was trying to think of a way to use it that held some
meaning---maybe I can make some mugs for the Rockefeller's ;-) !! I am
still laughing!! Thanks.
A cookie mold is a thought- soap or butter molds possibly too.
Thanks for all the help!!
Linda Goodson
Lincolnton, NC
> Engrave this Quote
> "An inexhaustible
> good nature is one of the most precious gifts of heaven, spreading
> itself like oil over the troubled sea of thought, and keeping the mind
> smooth and equable in the roughest weather." Washington Irving
Ric Swenson wrote:
> not common...in Chinese symbolism now.... but....
>
> the white plaster figures are correct... at least in Chinese......the clay glazed figure is reversed according to my Chinese linguist friend....potter's error?
>
> It means 'big or great or strong' ...and second symbol is 'oil ...for cooking ...or for lubrication'.
>
> So...BIG OIL ??? yeah .... maybe....but what does THAT mean? (With oil prices at $92. USD a barrel...maybe it's a current comment on the economy?? Hehe. Maybe it's an old 'Rockefeller' Crest?)
>
> Not common symbols for China...so maybe 'bastardized' by Korea or Japan? The origins of the symbols are common at times...
>
> Can someone 'weigh in' from Korea or Japan? The origin of the symbols may be Chinese...but it appears this symbol is not in any kind of common use in China now.
>
> Ric, in JingDeZhen
>
>
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