Ingeborg Foco on thu 13 dec 07
they make car kilns!
Well, I guess I just have to chime in here since I just returned from a 4
mile round trip to the studio to make sure my bisque kiln actually shut
off. It has never failed with a kiln sitter and timer but..I like to be
safe. I consciously bought a manual kiln thinking I can always purchase the
controller afterwards even though it costs a little bit more. So far I
haven't had the desire to own one. I'm not a teacher and I only bisque with
the electric kiln and a 4 mile round trip drive isn't that big of a deal to
me at this point in my life..
At the present time, I am not too thrilled with modern technology even
though I love new and shiny things. My refrigerator/freezer, which is run
by a computer has been a piece since day one. People are beginning to think
I have a thing for the repair man. The old Frigidaire was still going when
we sold the last house and it worked flawlessly for 25 years without a
service call, ever. Each and every appliance in this house has had numerous
service calls. They are all state of the art appliances and of course are
run by a computer. Everything has had a problem with a board. And folks
these are not crappy appliances, they are expensive top of the line which
makes it that much worse in my opinion.
In the old days, people could fix things. Now even the technicians really
can't fix anything because they always just order a new "board" and when it
arrives, they plug it in. I guess that's progress! The good news is they
are going to replace the refrigerator with a new one. Hopefully the
replacement will be better but time will tell.
Sincerely,
Ingeborg
www.thepottersworkshop.com
On Dec 13, 2007 10:49 AM, WJ Seidl wrote:
> Earl:
> I am an admitted human crow. I've never kept that a secret. I love
> "new! bright! shiny!" and always will. But, for all my love for it,
> still I try not to depend on it. I am in thrall to most of the new
> technologies. I have one of those bluetooth thingies in my ear as I
> write this (talking to my cousin in California), have mp3s being played
> by the computer while I type (music by Triona Ni Dhomhnaill), and this
> message will be sent by the latest and greatest wireless technologies
> (Verizon) via a satellite orbiting the planet that I have hopes of one
> day seeing from a view port in a ship. (Yeah, I would go into space...in
> a heartbeat!) But I never expect to have to fix any of that. There are
> certain things I leave to the experts. I will never "know it all". I'll
> freely admit that.
> The important thing is that I can walk away from all of that, take it
> all out of my life, and life will go on without it. I do not depend on
> it; it is a convenience, a bonus, nothing more. It is not _required_.
>
> Cars I depend on. I consider them "irreplaceable" in my life. Well,
> until we run out of oil anyway, but I digress. Things I depend on, the
> things that I require in order to continue my existence; yeah, I must
> maintain the knowledge of how to fix them, or rely on experts to do so
> if I cannot.
>
> $534( and change) to change a light bulb just goes to show that there
> are times that technology no longer serves mankind as it was meant to.
> We were not meant to serve machines, we created them to serve US.
> Having spent three years tending a machine to get through high school, I
> truly believe that.
> Some technology is absolutely a good thing...like electric wheels,
> refrigerators, defibrillators, pacemakers and the like. But I would not
> spend almost a weeks pay ($534) to change the light bulb in my
> refrigerator. Won't spend it to change a bulb in my car, either. I'd
> sooner trade in the car, or find a way to do it myself.
>
> Best,
> Wayne Seidl
>
>
>
Earl Brunner on thu 13 dec 07
they make car kilns!
Wayne, your story about the '75 Biscayne reminded me of this.....I was at work the other night at the art center and I was talking to my boss and I remembered that he had bought this fancy hybrid car awhile back, so I asked him if it was a Prius (thinking about my brother Karl's new car). He gets this funny look on his face and he says, "Yeah, why?" So I told him my brother had just bought one. He said, "Let me tell you about my Prius......."
He then explained that one of his headlights was going out. In fact, the car TOLD him that the headlight needed to be replaced. So he went to an automotive shop and looked it up in a parts book and bought what was supposed to be the replacement bulb for about $20.00. Went home and tried to put it in......... Couldn't figure it out, so he goes to his mechanic friend. The mechanic friend checks it out, does some calling around and gives him the bad news. The bulb lists for around $200.00 and you can only get them at the dealer. In fact the dealer says they have to do the replacement.
So he takes it to the dealer. He has to leave the car there for awhile. They called him at work and told him that, apparently these are some REAL special high intensity/variable intensity, computer controlled bulbs. They aren't $200.00 they are $300.00 plus... AND then there is around $200.00 labor. Apparently, they have to partly disassemble the front end to change the bulb. Final cost? $534.22. He's real emphatic about the AND 22 CENTS.
So yeah, things CAN get a little too "modern", but hey, modern newest thing is good right?
----- Original Message ----
From: WJ Seidl
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:52:11 AM
Subject: Re: Automatic Kilns
For my money, I'll take the '75 Biscayne. (I owned a '74; 6 cylinder., 3
on the tree, moved cross country in it...twice)
That car had no computer, and if something does break, it's a more
logical fix, easily accomplished if one has the parts
since all the sensors and effluvia inherent in a computer operated
system didn't exist in that vehicle. "Does it have spark? Is it getting
gas? Then it should run. Period."
Even a guy like me, with a basic toolbox in the trunk could fix that
car. No need for anything fancier than an ohmeter and a brain.
If Randy likes the manual kiln, that's what he should continue with.
Saying "...they really have it down today when building quality computer
components..." is a full load of crap Vince.
Sorry, but somebody sold you a bill of goods if you honestly believe
that. I'll agree that they DO really have it down when it comes to
building cheap crappy components fast. Ask anyone that fixes computers
for a living.
I'm reminded of the scene from the movie "Armageddon", where the Russian
and American astronauts are stuck trying to get the shuttle to start
so that they can take off from the asteroid they've been sent to destroy
before the thing gets too close to earth for a nuclear explosion they
rigged.
After not so patiently waiting for the American to go through her
checklist, the Russian fixes it by pounding on the control panel with a
wrench, yelling
"Russian components, American components...is all made in Taiwan!"
Stick with what you know, Randy. I'm not saying that a computer
controlled kiln won't serve you well, but you were correct. There IS
more "stuff" to go wrong, starting with the controller, the
thermocouples, the relays, etc. The elements should be about the same
amount of work to replace.
Just my opinion,
Wayne Seidl
driving an '04 Jeep Grand Cherokee I can't work on, and wishing I had
that Biscayne now.
WJ Seidl on thu 13 dec 07
they make car kilns!
Earl:
I am an admitted human crow. I've never kept that a secret. I love
"new! bright! shiny!" and always will. But, for all my love for it,
still I try not to depend on it. I am in thrall to most of the new
technologies. I have one of those bluetooth thingies in my ear as I
write this (talking to my cousin in California), have mp3s being played
by the computer while I type (music by Triona Ni Dhomhnaill), and this
message will be sent by the latest and greatest wireless technologies
(Verizon) via a satellite orbiting the planet that I have hopes of one
day seeing from a view port in a ship. (Yeah, I would go into space...in
a heartbeat!) But I never expect to have to fix any of that. There are
certain things I leave to the experts. I will never "know it all". I'll
freely admit that.
The important thing is that I can walk away from all of that, take it
all out of my life, and life will go on without it. I do not depend on
it; it is a convenience, a bonus, nothing more. It is not _required_.
Cars I depend on. I consider them "irreplaceable" in my life. Well,
until we run out of oil anyway, but I digress. Things I depend on, the
things that I require in order to continue my existence; yeah, I must
maintain the knowledge of how to fix them, or rely on experts to do so
if I cannot.
$534( and change) to change a light bulb just goes to show that there
are times that technology no longer serves mankind as it was meant to.
We were not meant to serve machines, we created them to serve US.
Having spent three years tending a machine to get through high school, I
truly believe that.
Some technology is absolutely a good thing...like electric wheels,
refrigerators, defibrillators, pacemakers and the like. But I would not
spend almost a weeks pay ($534) to change the light bulb in my
refrigerator. Won't spend it to change a bulb in my car, either. I'd
sooner trade in the car, or find a way to do it myself.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
Earl Brunner wrote:
> Wayne, your story about the '75 Biscayne reminded me of this.....I was
> at work the other night at the art center and I was talking to my boss
> and I remembered that he had bought this fancy hybrid car awhile back,
> so I asked him if it was a Prius (thinking about my brother Karl's new
> car). He gets this funny look on his face and he says, "Yeah, why?" So
> I told him my brother had just bought one. He said, "Let me tell you
> about my Prius......."
>
> He then explained that one of his headlights was going out. In fact,
> the car TOLD him that the headlight needed to be replaced. So he went
> to an automotive shop and looked it up in a parts book and bought what
> was supposed to be the replacement bulb for about $20.00. Went home
> and tried to put it in......... Couldn't figure it out, so he goes to
> his mechanic friend. The mechanic friend checks it out, does some
> calling around and gives him the bad news. The bulb lists for around
> $200.00 and you can only get them at the dealer. In fact the dealer
> says they have to do the replacement.
>
> So he takes it to the dealer. He has to leave the car there for
> awhile. They called him at work and told him that, apparently these
> are some REAL special high intensity/variable intensity, computer
> controlled bulbs. They aren't $200.00 they are $300.00 *plus...* AND
> then there is around $200.00 labor. Apparently, they have to partly
> disassemble the front end to change the bulb. Final cost? $534.22.
> He's real emphatic about the *AND 22 CENTS.*
>
> So yeah, things CAN get a little too "modern", but hey, modern newest
> thing is good right?
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: WJ Seidl
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:52:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Automatic Kilns
>
> For my money, I'll take the '75 Biscayne. (I owned a '74; 6 cylinder., 3
> on the tree, moved cross country in it...twice)
> That car had no computer, and if something does break, it's a more
> logical fix, easily accomplished if one has the parts
> since all the sensors and effluvia inherent in a computer operated
> system didn't exist in that vehicle. "Does it have spark? Is it getting
> gas? Then it should run. Period."
> Even a guy like me, with a basic toolbox in the trunk could fix that
> car. No need for anything fancier than an ohmeter and a brain.
>
> If Randy likes the manual kiln, that's what he should continue with.
>
> Saying "...they really have it down today when building quality computer
> components..." is a full load of crap Vince.
> Sorry, but somebody sold you a bill of goods if you honestly believe
> that. I'll agree that they DO really have it down when it comes to
> building cheap crappy components fast. Ask anyone that fixes computers
> for a living.
>
> I'm reminded of the scene from the movie "Armageddon", where the Russian
> and American astronauts are stuck trying to get the shuttle to start
> so that they can take off from the asteroid they've been sent to destroy
> before the thing gets too close to earth for a nuclear explosion they
> rigged.
> After not so patiently waiting for the American to go through her
> checklist, the Russian fixes it by pounding on the control panel with a
> wrench, yelling
> "Russian components, American components...is all made in Taiwan!"
>
> Stick with what you know, Randy. I'm not saying that a computer
> controlled kiln won't serve you well, but you were correct. There IS
> more "stuff" to go wrong, starting with the controller, the
> thermocouples, the relays, etc. The elements should be about the same
> amount of work to replace.
>
> Just my opinion,
> Wayne Seidl
> driving an '04 Jeep Grand Cherokee I can't work on, and wishing I had
> that Biscayne now.
>
Earl Brunner on thu 13 dec 07
they make car kilns!
I forgot the BEST part, he was telling me this story in the ceramics studio and some of my students were listening in, when he got all done and his blood pressure had settled back down, one of the students piped up with, "How's the other bulb?"..................
----- Original Message ----
From: Earl Brunner
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:00:53 AM
Subject: Re: Automatic Kilns-- just a LITTLE off topic....car/kiln, hey, they make car kilns!
Wayne, your story about the '75 Biscayne reminded me of this.....I was at work the other night at the art center and I was talking to my boss and I remembered that he had bought this fancy hybrid car awhile back, so I asked him if it was a Prius (thinking about my brother Karl's new car). He gets this funny look on his face and he says, "Yeah, why?" So I told him my brother had just bought one. He said, "Let me tell you about my Prius......."
He then explained that one of his headlights was going out. In fact, the car TOLD him that the headlight needed to be replaced. So he went to an automotive shop and looked it up in a parts book and bought what was supposed to be the replacement bulb for about $20.00. Went home and tried to put it in......... Couldn't figure it out, so he goes to his mechanic friend. The mechanic friend checks it out, does some calling around and gives him the bad news. The bulb lists for around $200.00 and you can only get them at the dealer. In fact the dealer says they have to do the replacement.
So he takes it to the dealer. He has to leave the car there for awhile. They called him at work and told him that, apparently these are some REAL special high intensity/variable intensity, computer controlled bulbs. They aren't $200.00 they are $300.00 plus... AND then there is around $200.00 labor. Apparently, they have to partly disassemble the front end to change the bulb. Final cost? $534.22. He's real emphatic about the AND 22 CENTS.
So yeah, things CAN get a little too "modern", but hey, modern newest thing is good right?
Russell Sheptak on thu 13 dec 07
they make car kilns!
Earl, that's quite a tall tale you're telling. Yes, Prius headlights
(2005 model and newer) are expensive (ca. $120 each) but that's
because they are halogen bulbs, not the square sealed beam, easily
replaced headlights of most US built cars. Earlier model Priuses
(2001-2003) use those cheaper bulbs. The halogen bulbs are readily
available from car parts stores and on the internet. You don't have
to go to a dealer to get them.
As for changing them, they are in fact, user replaceable with a
phillips head screwdriver and cotton or rubber gloves to handle the
bulb. See this URL if you need to change your headlights on your Prius.
http://www.wikihow.com/Replace-Headlight-Bulb-on-2005-Prius
Oh, and I asked my mechanic what he'd charge to change the headlight
on my Prius, and he quoted the bulb price plus about a half hour
labor. And don't believe everything you read posted on CLAYART!
rus
On Dec 13, 2007, at 8:27 AM, Earl Brunner wrote:
> I forgot the BEST part, he was telling me this story in the
> ceramics studio and some of my students were listening in, when he
> got all done and his blood pressure had settled back down, one of
> the students piped up with, "How's the other bulb?"..................
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Earl Brunner
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:00:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Automatic Kilns-- just a LITTLE off topic....car/kiln,
> hey, they make car kilns!
>
> Wayne, your story about the '75 Biscayne reminded me of this.....I
> was at work the other night at the art center and I was talking to
> my boss and I remembered that he had bought this fancy hybrid car
> awhile back, so I asked him if it was a Prius (thinking about my
> brother Karl's new car). He gets this funny look on his face and he
> says, "Yeah, why?" So I told him my brother had just bought one. He
> said, "Let me tell you about my Prius......."
>
>
> He then explained that one of his headlights was going out. In
> fact, the car TOLD him that the headlight needed to be replaced. So
> he went to an automotive shop and looked it up in a parts book and
> bought what was supposed to be the replacement bulb for about
> $20.00. Went home and tried to put it in......... Couldn't figure
> it out, so he goes to his mechanic friend. The mechanic friend
> checks it out, does some calling around and gives him the bad news.
> The bulb lists for around $200.00 and you can only get them at the
> dealer. In fact the dealer says they have to do the replacement.
>
>
> So he takes it to the dealer. He has to leave the car there for
> awhile. They called him at work and told him that, apparently these
> are some REAL special high intensity/variable intensity, computer
> controlled bulbs. They aren't $200.00 they are $300.00 plus... AND
> then there is around $200.00 labor. Apparently, they have to partly
> disassemble the front end to change the bulb. Final cost? $534.22.
> He's real emphatic about the AND 22 CENTS.
>
> So yeah, things CAN get a little too "modern", but hey, modern
> newest thing is good right?
>
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Taylor Hendrix on thu 13 dec 07
they make car kilns!
or every quote you get from your mechanic!
Taylor, in Rockport TX
On Dec 13, 2007 1:57 PM, Russell Sheptak wrote:
> Earl, that's quite a tall tale you're telling. Yes, Prius headlights
> (2005 model and newer) are expensive (ca. $120 each) but that's
> because they are halogen bulbs, ....
And don't believe everything you read posted on CLAYART!
Earl Brunner on thu 13 dec 07
they make car kilns!
Russell, I'm not an idiot or a liar. Gullible maybe,
I LOOKED at his bulb. IT's not JUST a halogen bulb, now he might have got some special package on his Prius and/or his Dealer might have ripped him off, but my supervisor didn't make it up, and I didn't either. He did say they were computer controlled and automatically varied their intensity so I suspect they are something like the ones talked about below.
See below: link to whole story here (http://jtidwell.livejournal.com/5729.html)
The Prius headlight saga
........Now, these HID headlights are special. They move. They have an auto-levelling system which detects weight in the back of the car; when the car is rear-weighted and thus pitched back, the headlights aim down farther so that they don't blind oncoming drivers. This is required by federal law, since HID headlights are so bright that they pose a real danger when they're misaimed. The auto-levelling system involves a weight sensor (or angle, dunno which) in the back of the car, servos in the lights, and computers in between.
Hardware problem, or software? We had no idea.
To build our case, I got a coworker of mine to help me see the difference between our lights and normal lights. We drove our two nearly-identical Priuses to a dark part of the parking garage, parked them next to each other about forty feet from the wall, and turned on our headlights. His beams hit the wall several feet up. Mine... didn't even hit the wall. ("Are they even on?" asked my coworker.) Wow! ................So we looked online and discovered that a few other Prius owners had had the same problem. Some of them had also been blown off by dealers, interestingly -- one guy had brought it to four (!) different Toyota dealers, with no satisfaction. (Read about it here. Read more stories here.)................................
----- Original Message ----
From: Russell Sheptak
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:57:40 AM
Subject: Re: Automatic Kilns-- just a LITTLE off topic....car/kiln, hey, they make car kilns!
Earl, that's quite a tall tale you're telling. Yes, Prius headlights
(2005 model and newer) are expensive (ca. $120 each) but that's
because they are halogen bulbs, not the square sealed beam, easily
replaced headlights of most US built cars. Earlier model Priuses
(2001-2003) use those cheaper bulbs. The halogen bulbs are readily
available from car parts stores and on the internet. You don't have
to go to a dealer to get them.
As for changing them, they are in fact, user replaceable with a
phillips head screwdriver and cotton or rubber gloves to handle the
bulb. See this URL if you need to change your headlights on your Prius.
http://www.wikihow.com/Replace-Headlight-Bulb-on-2005-Prius
Oh, and I asked my mechanic what he'd charge to change the headlight
on my Prius, and he quoted the bulb price plus about a half hour
labor. And don't believe everything you read posted on CLAYART!
rus
On Dec 13, 2007, at 8:27 AM, Earl Brunner wrote:
> I forgot the BEST part, he was telling me this story in the
> ceramics studio and some of my students were listening in, when he
> got all done and his blood pressure had settled back down, one of
> the students piped up with, "How's the other bulb?"..................
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Earl Brunner
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:00:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Automatic Kilns-- just a LITTLE off topic....car/kiln,
> hey, they make car kilns!
>
> Wayne, your story about the '75 Biscayne reminded me of this.....I
> was at work the other night at the art center and I was talking to
> my boss and I remembered that he had bought this fancy hybrid car
> awhile back, so I asked him if it was a Prius (thinking about my
> brother Karl's new car). He gets this funny look on his face and he
> says, "Yeah, why?" So I told him my brother had just bought one. He
> said, "Let me tell you about my Prius......."
>
>
> He then explained that one of his headlights was going out. In
> fact, the car TOLD him that the headlight needed to be replaced. So
> he went to an automotive shop and looked it up in a parts book and
> bought what was supposed to be the replacement bulb for about
> $20.00. Went home and tried to put it in......... Couldn't figure
> it out, so he goes to his mechanic friend. The mechanic friend
> checks it out, does some calling around and gives him the bad news.
> The bulb lists for around $200.00 and you can only get them at the
> dealer. In fact the dealer says they have to do the replacement.
>
>
> So he takes it to the dealer. He has to leave the car there for
> awhile. They called him at work and told him that, apparently these
> are some REAL special high intensity/variable intensity, computer
> controlled bulbs. They aren't $200.00 they are $300.00 plus... AND
> then there is around $200.00 labor. Apparently, they have to partly
> disassemble the front end to change the bulb. Final cost? $534.22.
> He's real emphatic about the AND 22 CENTS.
>
> So yeah, things CAN get a little too "modern", but hey, modern
> newest thing is good right?
>
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Ingeborg Foco on fri 14 dec 07
they make car kilns!
Dear Steve,
Of course I am beautiful and charming and the repairman has a thing for
me.....would you not if I was paying you for all of these visits! Seriously
though, he is a good technician and I think he had something to do with me
getting a new refrigerator/freezer unit. I don't have it yet but did get a
call from the company saying some local outfit would do the switcheroo.
Even though I am really down on all of this technical wizard stuff, my
repair man says he works on all kinds of brands and this one is The best. I
also help carry his stuff out to the van. Do you think that is why he likes
me! He said Oh, don't hurt yourself...I said Tim, I'm used to slinging 50#
boxes of clay not to worry. We'll see how the new replacement works.
Notice I have not mentioned the brand.
My oven went on the fritz right before Thanksgiving (not this year) when the
halogen lights were putting on their own light show...on and off on and off
. I finally decided I did not need to have major replacement work done and
shut the oven off at the breaker....the only way to correct the problem
until my friend the repairman showed up.
My advantium oven (now that tells you that I really do appreciate new and
inventive products since I purchased that little number shortly after it was
introduced to the market) would shut off after running 2 minutes. The GE
repairman said it was operator error.....Man that guy doesn't know how close
he came to being decked...He said well, show me just how you program the
unit. Of course, it was a board problem and the guy was a jerk.
The only appliance that has not required repairs is the gas cook top and of
course it does not have a computer.
Mel is right, what they charge you for these parts is outrageous. I would
bet money that all of the boards are manufactured in China. I went to China
in June and I tell you everything is dirt cheap by our standards and they
make EVERYTHING that's why the place is so polluted that you can hardly
breathe. So, someone is really making an absolute killing.
I do know that in the "old" days if you broke down in your vehicle, someone
could actually help you..It happened to me not that long ago but with an old
vehicle and some nice fellow stopped and had the tools to help me. Now, you
basically have to be towed to the dealership where they will charge you huge
dollars to fix some minor little computer thing.
No, I think I will stick to my manual electric kiln. Besides, the minute I
switch to an electronic controller the lighting strike will come down from
the great beyond and wreck the kiln for me and I will be back to square one.
Ingeborg
In SW Florida who just spent the night at the studio for the second Art
Night of the season and is not ready to hit the rack just yet.
On Dec 14, 2007 2:15 PM, Steve Slatin wrote:
> Ingeborg --
>
> Not true! People have believed all along that the repair man
> has a thing for you ... after all, we know that you are charming
> (from your posts) and beautiful (which we know from your
> photograph), but also that you are, as a potter, generous of
> spirit and great in wisdom.
>
> FWIW, my own experience is that the computerized refrigerator
> is excellent, and efficient, as are the front-loading washer
> and dryer, but the stove has a noisy convection fan (changed
> twice, under warranty, to no improvement). The HVAC
> system (heat pump) in my home is excellent.
>
> But I learned overseas that lots of modern appliances don't
> deal well with voltage transients. Underdesign in power
> filtration can cause lots of problems.
>
> Best wishes - Steve Slatin
>
>
> Ingeborg Foco wrote:
>
> At the present time, I am not too thrilled with modern technology even
> though I love new and shiny things. My refrigerator/freezer, which is run
> by a computer has been a piece since day one. People are beginning to
> think
> I have a thing for the repair man.
>
> ---------------------------------
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>
>
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Sincerely,
Ingeborg
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Steve Slatin on fri 14 dec 07
they make car kilns!
Ingeborg --
Not true! People have believed all along that the repair man
has a thing for you ... after all, we know that you are charming
(from your posts) and beautiful (which we know from your
photograph), but also that you are, as a potter, generous of
spirit and great in wisdom.
FWIW, my own experience is that the computerized refrigerator
is excellent, and efficient, as are the front-loading washer
and dryer, but the stove has a noisy convection fan (changed
twice, under warranty, to no improvement). The HVAC
system (heat pump) in my home is excellent.
But I learned overseas that lots of modern appliances don't
deal well with voltage transients. Underdesign in power
filtration can cause lots of problems.
Best wishes - Steve Slatin
Ingeborg Foco wrote:
At the present time, I am not too thrilled with modern technology even
though I love new and shiny things. My refrigerator/freezer, which is run
by a computer has been a piece since day one. People are beginning to think
I have a thing for the repair man.
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Edouard Bastarache Inc. on fri 14 dec 07
they make car kilns!
Inge,
beware of the old man !!!
"... after all, we know that you are charming
(from your posts) and beautiful (which we know
from your
photograph), but also that you are, as a potter,
generous of
spirit and great in wisdom."
Maybe he wants a Xmas gift,,,
Gis la revido,
(A la revoyure)
Edouard Bastarache
Spertesperantisto
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
http://www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/Welcome.html
http://perso.orange.fr/smart2000/livres.htm
http://www.pshcanada.com/Toxicology.htm
http://www.ceramique.com/librairie/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30058682@N00/
http://myblogsmesblogs.blogspot.com/
Steve Slatin on fri 14 dec 07
they make car kilns!
You suspect me of fishing for presents?
C'mon, I'm not all THAT old. Just because
there's snow on the roof doesn't mean that
... hmm what was it it doesn't mean?
where's my pudding!
-- Steve S
"Edouard Bastarache Inc." wrote:
Inge,
beware of the old man !!!
"... after all, we know that you are charming
(from your posts) and beautiful (which we know
from your
photograph), but also that you are, as a potter,
generous of
spirit and great in wisdom."
Maybe he wants a Xmas gift,,,
Steve Slatin --
History teaches us that there have been but few infringements of personal liberty by the state which have not been justified ...
in the name of righteousness and the public good, and few which
have not been directed ... at politically helpless minorities.
-- Harlan Fiske Stone
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