Steve Slatin on wed 19 dec 07
Keba -- I use black indelible, and don't cut it with water. But I'm
sure other things would work. It makes a nice, clear pattern
if crazing marks is what you want. If you have Michael Bailey's
book 'Glazes Cone 6' look at his examples of inked crazing --
it's in the section on testing glaze fit.
-- Steve S
Keba M Hitzeman wrote:
Does anyone have experience inking crazed glazes? Dump straight-up ink in
to the bowl and let it sit to soak up the ink? Cut it with water?
I figure I may as well play around with the crazed glaze now that I have it!
Keba
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Lee Love on wed 19 dec 07
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Lee Love
Date: Dec 19, 2007 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: Crazing and the Responsible Potter.
To: Clayart
On 12/19/07, Vince Pitelka wrote:
> Lili Krakowski wrote:
> > All over the world people have polluted water, coli infested veggies, and
> most lowfire glazes craze over time. And as I have said before, through
> history there is no evidence that anyone was ever sickened by eating food
> from a dish with a crazed glaze.
Quality standards are much higher here in Japan, but in all of
Asia, it is understood that crazing can be an esthetically desired
aspect of a glaze. I saw a wonderul Ming vase at the Mitsui
Memorial Museum, of the Ataka collection from the Osaka. It was blue
and had dark craze lines, spaced far apart. There was another white
bowl with black craze lines, maybe inked so they would stand out. It
reminded me of my TAk fat white reduction Raku pieces.
Much of my work is either unglazed or mat glazes, so crazing
isn't an issue. But I know it is an aesthetic tool available to the
creative studio potter. Folks that require toilet bowl, industrial
criteria for creative work dismiss most pottery that was ever made, or
paths that are available to us all.
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
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"Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by
education." -- Bertrand Russell
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
http://groups.google.com/group/ClayCraft
"Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by
education." -- Bertrand Russell
Vince Pitelka on wed 19 dec 07
Lee Love wrote:
> Quality standards are much higher here in Japan, but in all of
> Asia, it is understood that crazing can be an esthetically desired
> aspect of a glaze. I saw a wonderul Ming vase at the Mitsui
> Memorial Museum, of the Ataka collection from the Osaka. It was blue
> and had dark craze lines, spaced far apart. There was another white
> bowl with black craze lines, maybe inked so they would stand out. It
> reminded me of my TAk fat white reduction Raku pieces.
Lee -
This brings to mind all those amazing variations in crazing that we see o=
n
southern Song Dynasty ware. The patrons in the Southern Song court
favored those craze patterns because of their similarity to the internal
fracture planes in beloved variations of jade. That's just another
example of the aesthetic appreciation for crazing.
- Vince
--=20
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Technological University
vpitelka@dtccom.net
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
Keba M Hitzeman on wed 19 dec 07
Does anyone have experience inking crazed glazes? Dump straight-up ink in
to the bowl and let it sit to soak up the ink? Cut it with water?
I figure I may as well play around with the crazed glaze now that I have it!
Keba
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-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Vince Pitelka
Sent: Wednesday, 19 December, 2007 13:15
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Fwd: Crazing and the Responsible Potter.
Lee Love wrote:
> Quality standards are much higher here in Japan, but in all of
> Asia, it is understood that crazing can be an esthetically desired
> aspect of a glaze. I saw a wonderul Ming vase at the Mitsui
> Memorial Museum, of the Ataka collection from the Osaka. It was blue
> and had dark craze lines, spaced far apart. There was another white
> bowl with black craze lines, maybe inked so they would stand out. It
> reminded me of my TAk fat white reduction Raku pieces.
Lee -
This brings to mind all those amazing variations in crazing that we see on
southern Song Dynasty ware. The patrons in the Southern Song court
favored those craze patterns because of their similarity to the internal
fracture planes in beloved variations of jade. That's just another
example of the aesthetic appreciation for crazing.
- Vince
--
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Technological University
vpitelka@dtccom.net
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on thu 20 dec 07
Hi Keba,
Just to muse a little...
My only experience with Crazed Glazes was to note their development or
appearance over time and use, and, to recognise that they can look lovely in
Cups used for
Coffee or Tea as they become stained from use...
Of course many Crazed Glaezes are to be seen on many old pieces, whether
they were intended or not.
Otherwise, in terms of conjecture, I would expect that India Ink, thinned a
little, rubbed on/in with some daub of Cotton Wool or similar, and then
rubbed
clean with a barely-damp Sponge and Towell or something before it dries on
the surface...would
likely work very well, or, if one wanted to play with it, to find some
Colored Inks or Dyes of a 'durable' composition which are other-than-black.
There are many kinds of Inks, and one would do well I think to elect those
of a composition which precludes them bleeding or weakening if the Pot were
to be occasionally washed or damp-Sponged nlow and then.
Various kinds of proper 'Printer's Inks' of course would be worth looking
into, and these would be 'thinned' with some appropriate Solvent rather than
Water.
And that one might do well
to warm the Pot within the limits of holding comfort when doing this...and
to do the application progressively, moving though a small area continuing
along, rather than to cover the whole thing at once.
These Pots - or as may be - of course would only be used then for looks,
and, not for use with Liquids or wet Foods and so on...which is your aim
anyway.
So, those are my conjectures...
Phil
l v
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keba M Hitzeman"
> Does anyone have experience inking crazed glazes? Dump straight-up ink in
> to the bowl and let it sit to soak up the ink? Cut it with water?
>
> I figure I may as well play around with the crazed glaze now that I have
> it!
>
> Keba
May Luk on thu 20 dec 07
Hiya Keba;
How about something edible like the ink for black linguine? They sell Nero di Seppia at the fishmongers. Anybody tried beet juice or red wine? They do well on white shirts, they might do the same for pottery.
Regards
May
Kings County
Taylor Hendrix on thu 20 dec 07
Hey Lee,
Don't you mean 'I'm afraid, when folks don't have the "moral judgment"
to know what is good'?
Amen, hallelujah!
Remember, you can't be saved unless you submit to the crazing of the
bowl. Can I get an "amen" for the Right Reverend Lee Love?
Now for our responsive reading if you will please turn in your Rhodes
to Chapter 1: Glaze 32 and recite after me...
Taylor, in Rockport TX, who thinks there isn't enough carborundum in
the Ram's Head to sharpen all our axes.
On Dec 19, 2007 6:16 PM, Lee Love wrote:
>...
I am afraid, when folks don't have the aesthetic ability to
> know what is good, they fall back on arbitrary technical rules.
> ...
>
> --
> Lee in Mashiko, Japan
Lee Love on thu 20 dec 07
On 12/20/07, Vince Pitelka wrote:
> Lee -
> This brings to mind all those amazing variations in crazing that we see on
> southern Song Dynasty ware. The patrons in the Southern Song court
> favored those craze patterns because of their similarity to the internal
> fracture planes in beloved variations of jade. That's just another
> example of the aesthetic appreciation for crazing.
> - Vince
These are two artists that do some amazing things with celadon (heaven
forbid that they weren't allowed to do what they do!):
Uraguchi Masayuki
http://www.e-yakimono.net/html/uraguchi-masayuki-er-2004.html
The late Koheiji Miura
http://www.e-yakimono.net/html/koheiji-miura.html
I am afraid, when folks don't have the aesthetic ability to
know what is good, they fall back on arbitrary technical rules.
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
http://groups.google.com/group/ClayCraft
"Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by
education." -- Bertrand Russell
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