Maggie Jones on wed 9 jan 08
I have applied to the Street Art Fair and am now looking at the other
three fairs at the same date. I applied to the original at the Tower.
Any opinions on how all 4 events compare? it seems a lot to be happening
and how can you cut the pie into so many slices.?
I am wondering if I chose the right event, perhaps one is more suited to
fine craft and another to family oriented events and another to 2D??
Thanks for any input.
Maggie....tmorro is the deadline
http://TurtleIslandPottery.com
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Timothy Langholz on wed 9 jan 08
Last year I did the Original show (the one that you applied) for the first time. The word on the
street is that these shows have seen better times. As a first timer I don't have that perspective. I
had a good time, and sold reasonably well in relation to the cost. The weather was nice. This
show seems to have the huge advantage/luxury of quite a bit of space to breath. You are not
sentenced to 4 days in a 10x10 hot box. Generous storage possibilities, safety between the
campus buildings. Good traffic. I'm sure lots of money is made at the all the locations, just not
like what it used to be.
Tim in Iowa
On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:18:09 -0500, Maggie Jones wrote:
>I have applied to the Street Art Fair and am now looking at the other
>three fairs at the same date. I applied to the original at the Tower.
>Any opinions on how all 4 events compare? it seems a lot to be happening
>and how can you cut the pie into so many slices.?
>I am wondering if I chose the right event, perhaps one is more suited to
>fine craft and another to family oriented events and another to 2D??
>
>Thanks for any input.
>Maggie....tmorro is the deadline
>
>
>http://TurtleIslandPottery.com
>Maggie and Freeman Jones
>http://MaggieJones.etsy.com
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KATHI LESUEUR on wed 9 jan 08
On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Maggie Jones wrote:
> I have applied to the Street Art Fair and am now looking at the other
> three fairs at the same date. I applied to the original at the Tower.
> Any opinions on how all 4 events compare? it seems a lot to be
> happening
> and how can you cut the pie into so many slices.?
> I am wondering if I chose the right event, perhaps one is more
> suited to
> fine craft and another to family oriented events and another to 2D??
>
> Thanks for any input.
> Maggie....tmorro is the deadline
>
>
>
I live in Ann Arbor and did one of the shows for twenty years. The
answer to your question is-- it depends. The Street Art Fair
(referred to as the original) is known for having new, unusual,
cutting edge work. If that's not you then you probably will be
rejected. If you manage to get in your sales may not be what you
would expect because you are not what the audience expects. But, if
your work fits that category it's the show for you. This show
suffered from being moved about five years ago after they got in a
fight with the street merchants. The site is a bit out of the way
and gets by passed by many fairgoers.
The South University merchants took over the site of the original
fair and many exhibitors report excellent sales. It also is out of
the way from the main section. But it is getting a reputation as the
place to be as an exhibitor. Quality is excellent in this area and
definitely geared to selling.
The Michigan Guild show and the State Street Merchants' show are in
the center of the fairs. They are the largest concentration of
booths and so many people just go to those two fairs. The Guild show
was a members only show and may still be that. Both have a wide range
of quality from the best to much more of a production approach.
The Ann Arbor Fairs have suffered from the Michigan economy and the
greed of the city merchants, all of whom believe they should have a
piece of the pie. As a result this event is overwhelming with
artists in the streets, merchants on the sidewalks, and anywhere in
between something is being sold. Many of my regular customers say
they no longer go. As late as the '90's potters routinely made
upwards of $10,000 and I personally know several who did $20,000-
$30,000. I know they weren't lying to me. These numbers no longer
hold up for any one I know at the show. People new to it, having not
exhibited during those great days, either do pretty good and are
satisfied or don't and say, "this is the great Ann Arbor fair?".
Be aware that if you apply to the other shows you'll have to choose
one and may miss a deadline to get your money back. Also be aware
that this is an incredibly grueling show. The hours are long. The
weather is always hot. It usually storms at least one day. Storage is
a problem at all sites. The city vigorously enforces parking
restrictions and parking for artists is a huge rip off. Other than
all of that, a good show.
Good luck,
Kathi
Lois Ruben Aronow on wed 9 jan 08
The one you applied to is considered one of the top shows in the country.
it is very hard to get into, and it's considered quite the coup if you do
get in. Good luck!! And if you are accepted, consider doing only that
show. You'll need a lot of inventory for it, and it is 4 days - very
exhausting, even for the most seasoned show veterans.
I saw a note saying "it's not what it used to be", but that is really your
determination, depending on your current sales, etc. It's certainly a great
show for getting noticed nationally, high traffic, and getting you work in
front of a good jury. The $$$ of your sales really depend on your
presentation, salesmanship, the weather, your work, your prices, and
whatever acts of good luck smile upon you.
I'm not familiar with the other 3 shows. If you live near there, it is
worth it to apply to all of them. the rest is in the hands of the jury.
Best of luck - hope you get in.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
> Maggie Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:18 AM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: Ann Arbor Fairs
>
> I have applied to the Street Art Fair and am now looking at
> the other three fairs at the same date. I applied to the
> original at the Tower.
> Any opinions on how all 4 events compare? it seems a lot to
> be happening and how can you cut the pie into so many slices.?
> I am wondering if I chose the right event, perhaps one is
> more suited to fine craft and another to family oriented
> events and another to 2D??
>
> Thanks for any input.
> Maggie....tmorro is the deadline
>
>
> http://TurtleIslandPottery.com
> Maggie and Freeman Jones
> http://MaggieJones.etsy.com
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KATHI LESUEUR on wed 9 jan 08
On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Lois Ruben Aronow wrote:
> The one you applied to is considered one of the top shows in the
> country.
> it is very hard to get into, and it's considered quite the coup if
> you do
> get in. Good luck!! And if you are accepted, consider doing only
> that
> show. You'll need a lot of inventory for it, and it is 4 days - very
> exhausting, even for the most seasoned show veterans.>>
Lois,
If you mean consider doing only that AA show as opposed to several of
the concurrent shows a word of caution to all. The shows have a
mutual agreement that an exhibitor can only do one show and
vigorously check the exhibitors. Failure to comply with this
requirement could mean being asked to leave. By all means, apply to
all of the shows if you want. But, if you are accepted by more than
one don't make the mistake of trying to do both.
Kathi
Lois Ruben Aronow on thu 10 jan 08
I understand. The OP was asking about doing ALL the shows, and I was trying
to say it's not a good idea if she does "The Original". I've not done that
show, and had no knowledge of the rules.
So now I doubly stand by what I said: if you are juried into the big show,
don't do the others.
>>
> If you mean consider doing only that AA show as opposed to
> several of the concurrent shows a word of caution to all.
> The shows have a mutual agreement that an exhibitor can only
> do one show and vigorously check the exhibitors. Failure to
> comply with this requirement could mean being asked to leave.
> By all means, apply to all of the shows if you want. But, if
> you are accepted by more than one don't make the mistake of
> trying to do both.
>
Maggie Jones on thu 10 jan 08
Hi Lois...I was asking if I chose the right event and how they compared.
I don't know how an exhibitor could do more than one at the same
time...?!
I was referring to it being a lot for the public to view...cutting the
pie in too many slices....which show is the best? my post was:
"I have applied to the Street Art Fair and am now looking at the other
three fairs at the same date. I applied to the original at the Tower.
Any opinions on how all 4 events compare? it seems a lot to be happening
and how can you cut the pie into so many slices.?
I am wondering if I chose the right event, perhaps one is more suited to
fine craft and another to family oriented events and another to 2D??"
Thanks for any input.
Maggie....
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:22:05 -0500 Lois Ruben Aronow
writes:
> I understand. The OP was asking about doing ALL the shows, and I was
> trying
> to say it's not a good idea if she does "The Original". I've not
> done that
> show, and had no knowledge of the rules.
>
> So now I doubly stand by what I said: if you are juried into the
> big show,
> don't do the others.
>
> >>
> > If you mean consider doing only that AA show as opposed to
> > several of the concurrent shows a word of caution to all.
> > The shows have a mutual agreement that an exhibitor can only
> > do one show and vigorously check the exhibitors. Failure to
> > comply with this requirement could mean being asked to leave.
> > By all means, apply to all of the shows if you want. But, if
> > you are accepted by more than one don't make the mistake of
> > trying to do both.
> >
>
>
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Lois Ruben Aronow on thu 10 jan 08
sorry for misunderstanding.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
> Maggie Jones
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:53 AM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: Ann Arbor Fairs
>
> Hi Lois...I was asking if I chose the right event and how
> they compared.
> I don't know how an exhibitor could do more than one at the
> same time...?!
> I was referring to it being a lot for the public to
> view...cutting the pie in too many slices....which show is
> the best? my post was:
>
> "I have applied to the Street Art Fair and am now looking at
> the other three fairs at the same date. I applied to the
> original at the Tower.
> Any opinions on how all 4 events compare? it seems a lot to
> be happening and how can you cut the pie into so many slices.?
> I am wondering if I chose the right event, perhaps one is
> more suited to fine craft and another to family oriented
> events and another to 2D??"
>
> Thanks for any input.
> Maggie....
>
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:22:05 -0500 Lois Ruben Aronow
>
> writes:
>
> > I understand. The OP was asking about doing ALL the shows,
> and I was
> > trying to say it's not a good idea if she does "The
> Original". I've
> > not done that show, and had no knowledge of the rules.
> >
> > So now I doubly stand by what I said: if you are juried
> into the big
> > show, don't do the others.
> >
> > >>
> > > If you mean consider doing only that AA show as opposed
> to several
> > > of the concurrent shows a word of caution to all.
> > > The shows have a mutual agreement that an exhibitor can
> only do one
> > > show and vigorously check the exhibitors. Failure to comply with
> > > this requirement could mean being asked to leave.
> > > By all means, apply to all of the shows if you want. But,
> if you are
> > > accepted by more than one don't make the mistake of trying to do
> > > both.
> > >
> >
> >
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Maggie Jones on thu 10 jan 08
so doya think the original is the"big" show?
thanks,M
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:38:55 -0500 Lois Ruben Aronow
writes:
> sorry for misunderstanding.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
> > Maggie Jones
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:53 AM
> > To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> > Subject: Re: Ann Arbor Fairs
> >
> > Hi Lois...I was asking if I chose the right event and how
> > they compared.
> > I don't know how an exhibitor could do more than one at the
> > same time...?!
> > I was referring to it being a lot for the public to
> > view...cutting the pie in too many slices....which show is
> > the best? my post was:
> >
> > "I have applied to the Street Art Fair and am now looking at
> > the other three fairs at the same date. I applied to the
> > original at the Tower.
> > Any opinions on how all 4 events compare? it seems a lot to
> > be happening and how can you cut the pie into so many slices.?
> > I am wondering if I chose the right event, perhaps one is
> > more suited to fine craft and another to family oriented
> > events and another to 2D??"
> >
> > Thanks for any input.
> > Maggie....
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:22:05 -0500 Lois Ruben Aronow
> >
> > writes:
> >
> > > I understand. The OP was asking about doing ALL the shows,
> > and I was
> > > trying to say it's not a good idea if she does "The
> > Original". I've
> > > not done that show, and had no knowledge of the rules.
> > >
> > > So now I doubly stand by what I said: if you are juried
> > into the big
> > > show, don't do the others.
> > >
> > > >>
> > > > If you mean consider doing only that AA show as opposed
> > to several
> > > > of the concurrent shows a word of caution to all.
> > > > The shows have a mutual agreement that an exhibitor can
> > only do one
> > > > show and vigorously check the exhibitors. Failure to comply
> with
> > > > this requirement could mean being asked to leave.
> > > > By all means, apply to all of the shows if you want. But,
> > if you are
> > > > accepted by more than one don't make the mistake of trying to
> do
> > > > both.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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Richard Aerni on thu 10 jan 08
Maggie,
There are a couple of clayarters who have close associations with two of the
shows. Kathi LeSeure you have heard from...she knows the scene there,
though I think is associated with the South U Merchants Show. Gail Dapogny
is/was on the board of the original Ann Arbor Street Art Fair, and hopefully
you have heard from her as well.
I did the "original " Ann Arbor show, the one to which you applied, for 17
years, but since it's been a few years since I have done it, I will refrain
from offering any informed commentary about it's present state. It was my
best show, ever, bar none, when I did it. Better than Smithsonian, better
than Cherry Creek, etc. But, as Kathy noted, it is long and grueling.
Don't plan any meaningful studio or creative activity for the week after the
show...you won't be up for it.
Anyway, good luck with it all.
Richard Aerni
Rochester, NY
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:53:24 -0500, Maggie Jones wrote:
>
>"I have applied to the Street Art Fair and am now looking at the other
>three fairs at the same date. I applied to the original at the Tower.
>Any opinions on how all 4 events compare? it seems a lot to be happening
>and how can you cut the pie into so many slices.?
>I am wondering if I chose the right event, perhaps one is more suited to
>fine craft and another to family oriented events and another to 2D??"
>
>Thanks for any input.
>Maggie....
>
>
KATHI LESUEUR on thu 10 jan 08
On Jan 10, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Maggie Jones wrote:
> so doya think the original is the"big" show?
> thanks,M
No. The biggest is the Michigan Guild show. It has the most
exhibitors. All of the fairs have their following. But, the most
customers hit the Michigan Guild show and the State Street Merchants
show. It's a matter of logistics. The shuttle bus drops people off at
the start of the Guild show. They walk thru those booths to the
Merchants' show. That show is adjacent to another part of the Guild
show. At the end of that part of the Guild show is another dropoff/
pickup site for the shuttle. The highest sales numbers I ever heard
of came from the Guild show. I knew lots of potters in all of the
shows. I only knew one who had sales as high as the Guild show. She
was in the State Street Merchants' show.
But again. It ain't what it used to be. So, if you do any of the
shows don't expect to make your fortune. Another thing. Make
reservations now. Don't wait until you are accepted. you can always
cancel.
Kathi
>
Lois Ruben Aronow on thu 10 jan 08
So, I'm confused. does the one with the most vendors have the same
attendance and prestige as "the original"?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
> KATHI LESUEUR
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:18 PM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: Ann Arbor Fairs
>
> On Jan 10, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Maggie Jones wrote:
>
> > so doya think the original is the"big" show?
> > thanks,M
>
> No. The biggest is the Michigan Guild show. It has the most
> exhibitors. All of the fairs have their following. But, the
> most customers hit the Michigan Guild show and the State
> Street Merchants show. It's a matter of logistics. The
> shuttle bus drops people off at the start of the Guild show.
> They walk thru those booths to the Merchants' show. That show
> is adjacent to another part of the Guild show. At the end of
> that part of the Guild show is another dropoff/ pickup site
> for the shuttle. The highest sales numbers I ever heard of
> came from the Guild show. I knew lots of potters in all of
> the shows. I only knew one who had sales as high as the Guild
> show. She was in the State Street Merchants' show.
>
> But again. It ain't what it used to be. So, if you do any of
> the shows don't expect to make your fortune. Another thing.
> Make reservations now. Don't wait until you are accepted. you
> can always cancel.
>
> Kathi
> >
>
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KATHI LESUEUR on thu 10 jan 08
On Jan 10, 2008, at 6:29 PM, Richard Aerni wrote:
> here are a couple of clayarters who have close associations with
> two of the
> shows. Kathi LeSeure you have heard from...she knows the scene there,
> though I think is associated with the South U Merchants Show.
I helped jury the show for several years quite some time ago. But, I
have no official connection with the show. I was a Board member and
chair for two years of the Michigan Guild in the late '80's and early
'90's. I have friends who did and still do all of the fairs. Many of
them come to my house for dinner on set up day (really about 75). I
visit their booths during the fair so I'm pretty confident that my
assessments are accurate.
Kathi
Lee on fri 11 jan 08
On Jan 10, 2008 7:05 AM, Lois Ruben Aronow wrote:
> show. You'll need a lot of inventory for it, and it is 4 days - very
> exhausting, even for the most seasoned show veterans.
Mashiko fall Pottery festival is 6 or 7 days. The spring one 11.
Is 4 days a long art fair?
--
Lee in Mashiko, Tochigi Japan
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Tea is nought but this: first you heat the water, then you make the
tea. Then you drink it properly. That is all you need to know."
--Sen No Rikyu
"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi
KATHI LESUEUR on fri 11 jan 08
On Jan 10, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Lois Ruben Aronow wrote:
> So, I'm confused. does the one with the most vendors have the same
> attendance and prestige as "the original"?
Yes and no. The original has the most prestige by far. The others
have the best attendance. There are people who will only go to the
original and snub their noses at the other fairs. Others won't bother
with the original. "Nothing for me to buy, and nothing I could afford
if I did want it."
Kathi
>
Lois Ruben Aronow on fri 11 jan 08
In the heat of summer, outside, with long days - yes. As far as length
goes, Baltimore W/R is 6 days, and THAT can be excruciating - especially the
first day of retail, which is 11 hours, and following 3 days of wholesale).
If the show is really buzzing, there can be energizing moments, but at the
end of the week, you're wiped.
...lo
> On Jan 10, 2008 7:05 AM, Lois Ruben Aronow wrote:
>
> > show. You'll need a lot of inventory for it, and it is 4
> days - very
> > exhausting, even for the most seasoned show veterans.
>
> Mashiko fall Pottery festival is 6 or 7 days. The spring one 11.
> Is 4 days a long art fair?
>
>
> --
> Lee in Mashiko, Tochigi Japan
> http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
>
> "Tea is nought but this: first you heat the water, then you
> make the tea. Then you drink it properly. That is all you
> need to know."
> --Sen No Rikyu "Let the beauty
> we love be what we do." - Rumi
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Maggie Jones on fri 11 jan 08
hmmm sounds like I ought to look at the State st fair a bit closer....!
We will be in Zanesville the wknd prior and thought this would be an
opportunity to go on up to Ann arbor. We have made a loop thru the state
and really liked it.
Being in NC zanesville is somewhat 1/2 way .
Thanks for the input.
Maggie
http://TurtleIslandPottery.com
Maggie and Freeman Jones
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:18:10 -0500 KATHI LESUEUR
writes:
> On Jan 10, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Lois Ruben Aronow wrote:
>
> > So, I'm confused. does the one with the most vendors have the
> same
> > attendance and prestige as "the original"?
>
> Yes and no. The original has the most prestige by far. The others
> have the best attendance. There are people who will only go to the
> original and snub their noses at the other fairs. Others won't
> bother
> with the original. "Nothing for me to buy, and nothing I could
> afford
> if I did want it."
>
> Kathi
> >
>
>
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Eleanora Eden on fri 11 jan 08
Please note that "best attendance" means streets that are totally clogged so
nobody can move with people who are there to gawk, buy popcorn, buy lawn
ornaments.
Serious shoppers really do try to cover all the fairs, but they go to the Street
Art fair first. I saw one comment here that serious shoppers are also covering
the new Merchants show. Next time I do it I will make a point of checking out
in that direction.
Eleanora
>On Jan 10, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Lois Ruben Aronow wrote:
>
>>So, I'm confused. does the one with the most vendors have the same
>>attendance and prestige as "the original"?
>
>Yes and no. The original has the most prestige by far. The others
>have the best attendance. There are people who will only go to the
>original and snub their noses at the other fairs. Others won't bother
>with the original. "Nothing for me to buy, and nothing I could afford
>if I did want it."
>
>Kathi
>>
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