Lois Ruben Aronow on sat 26 jan 08
Sorry I didn't see the original post on this.
This is my 3rd year doing Baltimore. I am having a hard walled booth made,
and the guy who is making it (a friend who does exhibition construction and
fabrication) told me that he knows a number of people who were inspected at
union shows, and I should be prepared. He has a special stamp for the back
of the walls, and will also give me paperwork in case they ask.
I have not seen any formal inspection at Baltimore, but there are so many
people walking around that I'm sure the marshal is one of them. It seems
that you're already aware that your booth materials must be treated with
flame-retardant. It costs very little to have your fabric treated, and if
you are doing shows of this caliber you should absolutely make sure it's
done. Have the paperwork (or label) to prove it and bring it with you. You
can even treat your fabric yourself if you are so inclined. Remember that
once your fabric is treated with fire-retardant, you must dry clean it.
As far as frayed wire and substandard electrical, do it right. Your
contract requires you to have professional grade extension cords and breaker
switches. I doubt they'd make you leave, but they can make you use one of
their extension cords - at $25 per rental, plus a union guy to deliver it to
you - if they see you are using threadbare wiring.
You didn't ask, but you should bear in mind that you will need your tools to
be cordless and battery operated. I have had union guys "offer to help" and
also point out inappropriate tools. What happens is that you will be billed
for these services after the show.
...lo
wondering how many on the list are showing or going to Baltimore
**********
Lois Aronow Porcelain
Brooklyn, NY
www.loisaronow.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
> Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:31 PM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: fire marshall at acc baltimore
>
> >
> > Has anyone here ever been visited by a fire marshall during the ACC
> > Baltimore show? Hopefully I'd like to hear from folks with
> a lot more
> > ACC experience than me, who also use a lot of fabric in their
> > displays.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Mea
>
> The fire marshal did come through one year and shut some
> people down, more for un-grounded tracks and bad extension
> cords than for anything else. At the Rosen (Philly) show one
> year they shut down electricity to the whole show! There had
> been a small fire caused by someone's cheapo, un-grounded
> track lights; the fire marshal came through, saw a bunch of
> people out of compliance, and shut off the juice for the
> whole show. (Wendy managed to get the fire marshal to
> re-inspect and get it turned on again after a couple of days.
> A few months later she sent out packets containing
> flashlights, proclaiming that "I survived the blackout!",
> along with a bunch of fire-safety regulations.)
>
> The point is, you never know when it's going to happen. The
> fire marshal is more concerned about bad wiring and lack of
> grounding than fire-proofing fabric, but you never know. I
> bought intrinsically fire retardant fabric for my booth from
> a theater supply place. You can try Rose Brand for fabrics
> and other show supplies in the future.
> (rosebrand.com. They will send you a catalog and are happy to ship.)
>
> Lynn
>
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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on sat 26 jan 08
Hi Mea,
Right...
Just about any of these so-called 'Fire Retardants' are of course extremely
Carcinogenic, and in their off-gassings or minute particle releases, are
well known to reliably
damage or insult the Liver, Kidneys, Lungs, Brain, Reproductive System,
Lymphatic
System, lodge in the adapose tissues for later Cancers they will inspire to
find impetuous expressions 'later',
and so on and so
forth, as well as causing immediate and unpleasant irritations 'now'.
Millions more people, children, and other pets, have suffered endless
'health' problems or serious damage or death from these Chemicals, than that
these same people could have ever imaginably have been
inconvenienced in any way at all, by plain Cotton, Linens or Woolens being
Un-Treated, since those fabrics hardly burn very well even from a flame
being provided by something like a Lighter, unless very,
VERY 'Sheer'...and if they
do, they do so quite reluctantly, as well as tending to go "out" once the
flame brought to them is removed, and, who the hell cares anyway? You pour
some handy Soft Drink or Coffee on it, or calmy smother
it with the sole of your shoe, or as may be, and Life could proceed almost
as if we had some self
respect, proportion, and common sense...evenb if some 'cloth' DIUD somehow
catch on Fire ( from WHAT???)
So...
The polite thing to do, is to submit some token item(s) of similar-enough
description TO the rip-off sleaze-bag lamprey-mouthed
corporate-mentality-creeps, who, leaning a boney calloused counter-elbow to
blandly inform us
of
their charges, will, for a mere couplehundredbucks, ( well, for, three cents
worth of
chemicals at most, and, two minutes
of some expendable cloudy-eyed $8.00 an hour transient hireling's
palsied weilding a
paid-for-itself after the first week of use twenty years ago anyway, of
now
grungy and seeping scum-crusted tank-and-spray-wand outfit, in a seedy
Warehouse
corner, will )
'treat' and 'Certify' one's little 'Curtain' or Cloth items, and, thus, one
obtain the 'Certificate' then for those items they have so perfunctorily and
cynically 'treated'.
Then, one kindly put those items into a thick Mylar Trash Bag, seal it up
good, and
throw it into into any Dumpster...or, have your congressman or
senator blow his coke-dusty septum'd nose in it, and see how he likes it.
Then, use the actual Cloth things you WOULD like to use, wholesome ones,
freshly Laundered
and sweet, and enjoy them being free of nasty off gassing Carcinogens and
Neurotoxins and free from schmuck-and-jive bullshit Karma-Cooties, and, if
the Fire Marshal or his assigns show up with
their 'clipboards', ridiculous in their pathetic polyester short sleeve
proletariatfashionstatement 'uniforms' de-jur, at your Booth, you say "Oh
Yes! You
bet! I made sure to remember to bring it!" and cheerfully hand them the
'Certificate'.
They may feel mildly grateful, placated even, you feel glad, they cross off
the
little
'box' on their sheet, they hand you back your 'Certificate', and they say
"Thank you" and you say, "Oh! Thank YOU!" and, Life goes on...and everyone
is 'Happy'...or Happy-enough, all things considered, in so far as what
'Happy' can mean under these conditions.
Many ( most?) indoor 'Shows' of any kind will require at least ostensibly,
that all cloth or wood or
other in-theory 'flammible' materials, be 'Fire-proofed' or Treated with
'Fire Retardant' by Licensed Business scammers who specialize in Cancer
futures for ridiculous rip-off prices 'now' which favor their efforts,
for which the 'Licensed Business' issues the victim-sap-pilgrim a Government
Approved, Legal, and had-you-over-a-Barrel-didn't-they, 'Certificate'.
And, the 'Show' requires this as a condition imposed on them, by local
'Codes' and or the
Underwriters of their Liability Insurance Policys' providers, based on
projections or
other assays, with LOTS of room for profit and padding, of what civil
litigation can do, with a stupid enough jury, a stupid enough
jury-instruction,
and, an emotionally manipulative-enough hamming lawyer-actor-schmuck - ie:
the 'Show' does
care about YOUR Lymphatic, Breast, Brain or other Cancers metasticising
five or seven years later making BIG DOUGH for the 'health care' industry's
Stockholders, they
care about insinuating themselves between you and your Market, or between
you and your Money, finding really expensive and inconvenient ways for YOU
to conform and oblige, for them to condescend to even bother, in order to
rip you off as much as possible with needless and silly 'costs' for you and
passed on to you, while, the 'Show' is likely glad-handing about you know,
'Art' or 'Education' or something, as well as, whatever interest in the
matter the so called 'Fire Marshal' may wish to indulge for his
jobsecurity,
and getting his or her check every two weeks, and 'pension' later...while
nodding a tacit approve
to how they do not care about their 'costs' when they can pass them on to
you, either.
So, one is supposed to have
their 'Certificate' with them, if intending to use a little Cotton
'Tablecloth' or 'Blanket' or 'Doily' to set one's Wares on.
Ahem...
Best wishes!
Love...
Phil
l v
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mea Rhee"
> Hi everybody, I have a question about the ACC Baltimore show.
>
> Last year was my first time doing that show, therefore I heeded every word
> of the exhibitors'
> manual, including flameproofing all of my curtain walls and tableclothes.
> The process of
> flameproofing was totally heinous ... very irritating to my skin and
> lungs, and caused rust to
> appear on my steel tent poles (which I now have to battle with WD40). And
> even though my lungs
> burned from the fumes coming off my treated curtains, I never caught a
> whiff of a fire inspector at
> that show.
>
> So now I'm gearing up for next month's show, I have all new curtains and
> tableclothes because I
> redesigned my booth a bit, and I'm wondering whether I should flameproof
> them.
>
> Has anyone here ever been visited by a fire marshall during the ACC
> Baltimore show? Hopefully I'd
> like to hear from folks with a lot more ACC experience than me, who also
> use a lot of fabric in
> their displays.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Mea
Mea Rhee on sat 26 jan 08
Hi everybody, I have a question about the ACC Baltimore show.
Last year was my first time doing that show, therefore I heeded every word of the exhibitors'
manual, including flameproofing all of my curtain walls and tableclothes. The process of
flameproofing was totally heinous ... very irritating to my skin and lungs, and caused rust to
appear on my steel tent poles (which I now have to battle with WD40). And even though my lungs
burned from the fumes coming off my treated curtains, I never caught a whiff of a fire inspector at
that show.
So now I'm gearing up for next month's show, I have all new curtains and tableclothes because I
redesigned my booth a bit, and I'm wondering whether I should flameproof them.
Has anyone here ever been visited by a fire marshall during the ACC Baltimore show? Hopefully I'd
like to hear from folks with a lot more ACC experience than me, who also use a lot of fabric in
their displays.
Thanks in advance,
Mea
Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery on sat 26 jan 08
>
> Has anyone here ever been visited by a fire marshall during the ACC
> Baltimore show? Hopefully I'd
> like to hear from folks with a lot more ACC experience than me, who
> also use a lot of fabric in
> their displays.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Mea
The fire marshal did come through one year and shut some people down,
more for un-grounded tracks and bad extension cords than for anything
else. At the Rosen (Philly) show one year they shut down electricity
to the whole show! There had been a small fire caused by someone's
cheapo, un-grounded track lights; the fire marshal came through, saw
a bunch of people out of compliance, and shut off the juice for the
whole show. (Wendy managed to get the fire marshal to re-inspect and
get it turned on again after a couple of days. A few months later she
sent out packets containing flashlights, proclaiming that "I survived
the blackout!", along with a bunch of fire-safety regulations.)
The point is, you never know when it's going to happen. The fire
marshal is more concerned about bad wiring and lack of grounding than
fire-proofing fabric, but you never know. I bought intrinsically fire
retardant fabric for my booth from a theater supply place. You can
try Rose Brand for fabrics and other show supplies in the future.
(rosebrand.com. They will send you a catalog and are happy to ship.)
Lynn
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on sun 27 jan 08
Hi Lois,
Lol...
Oh!
Don't be so 'serious' for Pete's sake!
I thought it was playful and yet honest. I was amused dashing it off, and,
amused in reading it back...far more 'amused' than I was being ripped off by
the 'fireproofspray' companys charging me $125.00 for a sick looking
transient in the
back, to 'treat' my little Cotton Twill Tablecloth...and, far more 'amused'
than I have been being privy to the quality of ethics and character of
fire-inspectors, or 'fire anything' around here...
...far more amused than I have been
'amused' learning about behind the scenes 'reason' of 'show promoter's, far
more amused than when talking with senators or congressmen or 'important'
anybodys in unguarded
moments...and so on, so what do you want, 'Fairy Tales'?
And, it was in fact 'informative', and based on my experience in these
things, and based on my honest apprises, and I think it did pretty good
justice TO it's subjects, while managing to be honestly playful and
informative at the same time.
So...
If you feel it was 'wrong on so many levels', okay...well, try saying or
explaining just what you have in mind, what 'levels' was it 'wrong' in? -
give actual examples, and, give actual examples of what you feel is the
'right' information/insight/understanding/appreciation.
Make sense?
And...in parting...
It is "Winter" Lois, not 'Summer"...and, if you dispute that too, I suggest
you try the radical experiment of actually going outside, and, seeing for
yourself.
The Winter 'Sun' here is weak and wan, it is the Summer Sun which is
'strong'.
Best wishes!
Phil
l v
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lois Aronow"
> All I can is...WOW!!! This is wrong on so many levels, it's hard to
> know where to begin.
>
> Instead, I'll let it speak for itself. It's stuff like this that makes
> me ashamed to be among this group.
>
> ...Lo
> wondering if Phil has been in the sun too long.
>
>
>>
>> Just about any of these so-called 'Fire Retardants' are of course
>> extremelyCarcinogenic, etc...
Steve Slatin on sun 27 jan 08
Gayle --
There are issues with almost all of the fire retardants.
It's unquestionably much safer to buy something with
the retardant applied at the factory. (It's also much
cheaper.) The cost is enormously increased, as is
the risk inherent in application, when you make a
whatever first, and then try to fireproof it.
As far as risk overall, though, the risk of losing your
life to fire is greater than many other risks -- it's
the leading cause of loss of life of children under
15 at home, and the fifth leading unintentional
cause of injury and death in the US, behind
vehicular crashes, falls, poisoning, and drowning.
(http://www.disastersrus.org/MyDisasters/talking/fire.pdf)
Precisely because the risk of fire is so high,
we have fire codes, fire marshalls, etc. When
they are good, they protect us. When they
are not it is arguably wiser to try to improve
them vs. to try to subvert them.
I suspect this is what Lois had in mind.
Regards -- Steve S
gayle bair wrote:
I don't know Lo..................
seems to me there is a LOT of evidence which supports Phil's rant
for example see:
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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on sun 27 jan 08
Awwwwwwww...thanks Gayle..!
And "yes"...though I shoot off-hand, examining the 'Target' will show, most
are at least in the "9-Ring", some "8"s, the odd "7", and a rare 'flier'
that for all I know, bounced off some RV or Weber Bar-B-Que a half mile
on...with a respectable number of "10"s usually, of course, too.
This will not 'Medal' in the 'Olympics', usually, but...it is more than
'good enough' for most every thing else.
The 'Giant Chocolate Easter Egg' ( your 2nd Link ) uhhhh, I was not sure
how that fit in...?
Love,
Phil
l v
----- Original Message -----
From: "gayle bair" pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp07g
>I don't know Lo..................
> seems to me there is a LOT of evidence which supports Phil's rant
> for example see:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=eiy&q=fire+retardant+effects+on+humans&btnG=Search
>
> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1331021.html
>
> Gayle Bair
> Tucson AZ
> Bainbridge Island WA
> gayle@claybair.com
> www.claybair.com
gayle bair on sun 27 jan 08
OMG Phil...
Pleeeze strip your inhibitions & tell us how you REALLY feel.
Besides totally cracking up with this gem of a posting
as I was reading it silently I was holding my breath as
though I were reading it aloud.
Gayle Bair - Reading until blue in the face!
Tucson AZ
Bainbridge Island WA
gayle@claybair.com
www.claybair.com
On Jan 26, 2008, at 8:25 PM, pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET wrote:
> Hi Mea,
>
>
>
>
> Right...
>
>
> Just about any of these so-called 'Fire Retardants' are of course
> extremely
> Carcinogenic, and in their off-gassings or minute particle releases,
> are
> well known to reliably
> damage or insult the Liver, Kidneys, Lungs, Brain, Reproductive
> System,
> Lymphatic
> System, lodge in the adapose tissues for later Cancers they will
> inspire to
> find impetuous expressions 'later',
> and so on and so
> forth, as well as causing immediate and unpleasant irritations 'now'.
>
> Millions more people, children, and other pets, have suffered endless
> 'health' problems or serious damage or death from these Chemicals,
> than that
> these same people could have ever imaginably have been
> inconvenienced in any way at all, by plain Cotton, Linens or Woolens
> being
> Un-Treated, since those fabrics hardly burn very well even from a
> flame
> being provided by something like a Lighter, unless very,
> VERY 'Sheer'...and if they
> do, they do so quite reluctantly, as well as tending to go "out"
> once the
> flame brought to them is removed, and, who the hell cares anyway?
> You pour
> some handy Soft Drink or Coffee on it, or calmy smother
> it with the sole of your shoe, or as may be, and Life could proceed
> almost
> as if we had some self
> respect, proportion, and common sense...evenb if some 'cloth' DIUD
> somehow
> catch on Fire ( from WHAT???)
>
> So...
>
> The polite thing to do, is to submit some token item(s) of similar-
> enough
> description TO the rip-off sleaze-bag lamprey-mouthed
> corporate-mentality-creeps, who, leaning a boney calloused counter-
> elbow to
> blandly inform us
> of
> their charges, will, for a mere couplehundredbucks, ( well, for,
> three cents
> worth of
> chemicals at most, and, two minutes
> of some expendable cloudy-eyed $8.00 an hour transient hireling's
> palsied weilding a
> paid-for-itself after the first week of use twenty years ago anyway,
> of
> now
> grungy and seeping scum-crusted tank-and-spray-wand outfit, in a seedy
> Warehouse
> corner, will )
> 'treat' and 'Certify' one's little 'Curtain' or Cloth items, and,
> thus, one
> obtain the 'Certificate' then for those items they have so
> perfunctorily and
> cynically 'treated'.
>
>
> Then, one kindly put those items into a thick Mylar Trash Bag, seal
> it up
> good, and
> throw it into into any Dumpster...or, have your congressman or
> senator blow his coke-dusty septum'd nose in it, and see how he
> likes it.
>
>
> Then, use the actual Cloth things you WOULD like to use, wholesome
> ones,
> freshly Laundered
> and sweet, and enjoy them being free of nasty off gassing
> Carcinogens and
> Neurotoxins and free from schmuck-and-jive bullshit Karma-Cooties,
> and, if
> the Fire Marshal or his assigns show up with
> their 'clipboards', ridiculous in their pathetic polyester short
> sleeve
> proletariatfashionstatement 'uniforms' de-jur, at your Booth, you
> say "Oh
> Yes! You
> bet! I made sure to remember to bring it!" and cheerfully hand them
> the
> 'Certificate'.
>
> They may feel mildly grateful, placated even, you feel glad, they
> cross off
> the
> little
> 'box' on their sheet, they hand you back your 'Certificate', and
> they say
> "Thank you" and you say, "Oh! Thank YOU!" and, Life goes on...and
> everyone
> is 'Happy'...or Happy-enough, all things considered, in so far as what
> 'Happy' can mean under these conditions.
>
>
> Many ( most?) indoor 'Shows' of any kind will require at least
> ostensibly,
> that all cloth or wood or
> other in-theory 'flammible' materials, be 'Fire-proofed' or Treated
> with
> 'Fire Retardant' by Licensed Business scammers who specialize in
> Cancer
> futures for ridiculous rip-off prices 'now' which favor their efforts,
> for which the 'Licensed Business' issues the victim-sap-pilgrim a
> Government
> Approved, Legal, and had-you-over-a-Barrel-didn't-they,
> 'Certificate'.
>
>
> And, the 'Show' requires this as a condition imposed on them, by local
> 'Codes' and or the
> Underwriters of their Liability Insurance Policys' providers, based on
> projections or
> other assays, with LOTS of room for profit and padding, of what civil
> litigation can do, with a stupid enough jury, a stupid enough
> jury-instruction,
> and, an emotionally manipulative-enough hamming lawyer-actor-schmuck
> - ie:
> the 'Show' does
> care about YOUR Lymphatic, Breast, Brain or other Cancers
> metasticising
> five or seven years later making BIG DOUGH for the 'health care'
> industry's
> Stockholders, they
> care about insinuating themselves between you and your Market, or
> between
> you and your Money, finding really expensive and inconvenient ways
> for YOU
> to conform and oblige, for them to condescend to even bother, in
> order to
> rip you off as much as possible with needless and silly 'costs' for
> you and
> passed on to you, while, the 'Show' is likely glad-handing about you
> know,
> 'Art' or 'Education' or something, as well as, whatever interest in
> the
> matter the so called 'Fire Marshal' may wish to indulge for his
> jobsecurity,
> and getting his or her check every two weeks, and 'pension'
> later...while
> nodding a tacit approve
> to how they do not care about their 'costs' when they can pass them
> on to
> you, either.
>
> So, one is supposed to have
> their 'Certificate' with them, if intending to use a little Cotton
> 'Tablecloth' or 'Blanket' or 'Doily' to set one's Wares on.
>
>
> Ahem...
>
>
> Best wishes!
>
>
> Love...
>
> Phil
> l v
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mea Rhee"
>
>> Hi everybody, I have a question about the ACC Baltimore show.
>>
>> Last year was my first time doing that show, therefore I heeded
>> every word
>> of the exhibitors'
>> manual, including flameproofing all of my curtain walls and
>> tableclothes.
>> The process of
>> flameproofing was totally heinous ... very irritating to my skin and
>> lungs, and caused rust to
>> appear on my steel tent poles (which I now have to battle with
>> WD40). And
>> even though my lungs
>> burned from the fumes coming off my treated curtains, I never
>> caught a
>> whiff of a fire inspector at
>> that show.
>>
>> So now I'm gearing up for next month's show, I have all new
>> curtains and
>> tableclothes because I
>> redesigned my booth a bit, and I'm wondering whether I should
>> flameproof
>> them.
>>
>> Has anyone here ever been visited by a fire marshall during the ACC
>> Baltimore show? Hopefully I'd
>> like to hear from folks with a lot more ACC experience than me, who
>> also
>> use a lot of fabric in
>> their displays.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Mea
>
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Lois Aronow on sun 27 jan 08
All I can is...WOW!!! This is wrong on so many levels, it's hard to
know where to begin.
Instead, I'll let it speak for itself. It's stuff like this that makes
me ashamed to be among this group.
...Lo
wondering if Phil has been in the sun too long.
>
> Just about any of these so-called 'Fire Retardants' are of course
> extremelyCarcinogenic, and in their off-gassings or minute particle
> releases, are
> well known to reliably
> damage or insult the Liver, Kidneys, Lungs, Brain, Reproductive
> System,Lymphatic
> System, lodge in the adapose tissues for later Cancers they will
> inspire to
> find impetuous expressions 'later',
> and so on and so
> forth, as well as causing immediate and unpleasant irritations 'now'.
>
> Millions more people, children, and other pets, have suffered endless
> 'health' problems or serious damage or death from these Chemicals,
> than that
> these same people could have ever imaginably have been
> inconvenienced in any way at all, by plain Cotton, Linens or
> Woolens being
> Un-Treated, since those fabrics hardly burn very well even from a
> flamebeing provided by something like a Lighter, unless very,
> VERY 'Sheer'...and if they
> do, they do so quite reluctantly, as well as tending to go "out"
> once the
> flame brought to them is removed, and, who the hell cares anyway?
> You pour
> some handy Soft Drink or Coffee on it, or calmy smother
> it with the sole of your shoe, or as may be, and Life could proceed
> almostas if we had some self
> respect, proportion, and common sense...evenb if some 'cloth' DIUD
> somehowcatch on Fire ( from WHAT???)
>
> So...
>
> The polite thing to do, is to submit some token item(s) of similar-
> enoughdescription TO the rip-off sleaze-bag lamprey-mouthed
> corporate-mentality-creeps, who, leaning a boney calloused counter-
> elbow to
> blandly inform us
> of
> their charges, will, for a mere couplehundredbucks, ( well, for,
> three cents
> worth of
> chemicals at most, and, two minutes
> of some expendable cloudy-eyed $8.00 an hour transient hireling's
> palsied weilding a
> paid-for-itself after the first week of use twenty years ago
> anyway, of
> now
> grungy and seeping scum-crusted tank-and-spray-wand outfit, in a seedy
> Warehouse
> corner, will )
> 'treat' and 'Certify' one's little 'Curtain' or Cloth items, and,
> thus, one
> obtain the 'Certificate' then for those items they have so
> perfunctorily and
> cynically 'treated'.
>
>
> Then, one kindly put those items into a thick Mylar Trash Bag, seal
> it up
> good, and
> throw it into into any Dumpster...or, have your congressman or
> senator blow his coke-dusty septum'd nose in it, and see how he
> likes it.
>
>
> Then, use the actual Cloth things you WOULD like to use, wholesome
> ones,freshly Laundered
> and sweet, and enjoy them being free of nasty off gassing
> Carcinogens and
> Neurotoxins and free from schmuck-and-jive bullshit Karma-Cooties,
> and, if
> the Fire Marshal or his assigns show up with
> their 'clipboards', ridiculous in their pathetic polyester short
> sleeveproletariatfashionstatement 'uniforms' de-jur, at your Booth,
> you say "Oh
> Yes! You
> bet! I made sure to remember to bring it!" and cheerfully hand them
> the'Certificate'.
>
> They may feel mildly grateful, placated even, you feel glad, they
> cross off
> the
> little
> 'box' on their sheet, they hand you back your 'Certificate', and
> they say
> "Thank you" and you say, "Oh! Thank YOU!" and, Life goes on...and
> everyoneis 'Happy'...or Happy-enough, all things considered, in so
> far as what
> 'Happy' can mean under these conditions.
>
>
> Many ( most?) indoor 'Shows' of any kind will require at least
> ostensibly,that all cloth or wood or
> other in-theory 'flammible' materials, be 'Fire-proofed' or Treated
> with'Fire Retardant' by Licensed Business scammers who specialize
> in Cancer
> futures for ridiculous rip-off prices 'now' which favor their efforts,
> for which the 'Licensed Business' issues the victim-sap-pilgrim a
> GovernmentApproved, Legal, and had-you-over-a-Barrel-didn't-they,
> 'Certificate'.
>
> And, the 'Show' requires this as a condition imposed on them, by local
> 'Codes' and or the
> Underwriters of their Liability Insurance Policys' providers, based on
> projections or
> other assays, with LOTS of room for profit and padding, of what civil
> litigation can do, with a stupid enough jury, a stupid enough
> jury-instruction,
> and, an emotionally manipulative-enough hamming lawyer-actor-
> schmuck - ie:
> the 'Show' does
> care about YOUR Lymphatic, Breast, Brain or other Cancers
> metasticisingfive or seven years later making BIG DOUGH for the
> 'health care' industry's
> Stockholders, they
> care about insinuating themselves between you and your Market, or
> betweenyou and your Money, finding really expensive and
> inconvenient ways for YOU
> to conform and oblige, for them to condescend to even bother, in
> order to
> rip you off as much as possible with needless and silly 'costs' for
> you and
> passed on to you, while, the 'Show' is likely glad-handing about
> you know,
> 'Art' or 'Education' or something, as well as, whatever interest in
> thematter the so called 'Fire Marshal' may wish to indulge for his
> jobsecurity,
> and getting his or her check every two weeks, and 'pension'
> later...whilenodding a tacit approve
> to how they do not care about their 'costs' when they can pass them
> on to
> you, either.
>
> So, one is supposed to have
> their 'Certificate' with them, if intending to use a little Cotton
> 'Tablecloth' or 'Blanket' or 'Doily' to set one's Wares on.
>
>
> Ahem...
>
>
> Best wishes!
>
>
> Love...
>
> Phil
> l v
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mea Rhee"
>
> > Hi everybody, I have a question about the ACC Baltimore show.
> >
> > Last year was my first time doing that show, therefore I heeded
> every word
> > of the exhibitors'
> > manual, including flameproofing all of my curtain walls and
> tableclothes.> The process of
> > flameproofing was totally heinous ... very irritating to my skin and
> > lungs, and caused rust to
> > appear on my steel tent poles (which I now have to battle with
> WD40). And
> > even though my lungs
> > burned from the fumes coming off my treated curtains, I never
> caught a
> > whiff of a fire inspector at
> > that show.
> >
> > So now I'm gearing up for next month's show, I have all new
> curtains and
> > tableclothes because I
> > redesigned my booth a bit, and I'm wondering whether I should
> flameproof> them.
> >
> > Has anyone here ever been visited by a fire marshall during the ACC
> > Baltimore show? Hopefully I'd
> > like to hear from folks with a lot more ACC experience than me,
> who also
> > use a lot of fabric in
> > their displays.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Mea
>
>
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gayle bair on sun 27 jan 08
I don't know Lo..................
seems to me there is a LOT of evidence which supports Phil's rant
for example see:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=eiy&q=fire+retardant+effects+on+humans&btnG=Search
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1331021.html
Gayle Bair
Tucson AZ
Bainbridge Island WA
gayle@claybair.com
www.claybair.com
On Jan 27, 2008, at 2:28 PM, Lois Aronow wrote:
> All I can is...WOW!!! This is wrong on so many levels, it's hard to
> know where to begin.
>
> Instead, I'll let it speak for itself. It's stuff like this that
> makes
> me ashamed to be among this group.
>
> ...Lo
> wondering if Phil has been in the sun too long.
>
>
>>
>> Just about any of these so-called 'Fire Retardants' are of course
>> extremelyCarcinogenic, and in their off-gassings or minute particle
>> releases, are
>> well known to reliably
>> damage or insult the Liver, Kidneys, Lungs, Brain, Reproductive
>> System,Lymphatic
>> System, lodge in the adapose tissues for later Cancers they will
>> inspire to
>> find impetuous expressions 'later',
>> and so on and so
>> forth, as well as causing immediate and unpleasant irritations 'now'.
>>
>> Millions more people, children, and other pets, have suffered
>> endless
>> 'health' problems or serious damage or death from these Chemicals,
>> than that
>> these same people could have ever imaginably have been
>> inconvenienced in any way at all, by plain Cotton, Linens or
>> Woolens being
>> Un-Treated, since those fabrics hardly burn very well even from a
>> flamebeing provided by something like a Lighter, unless very,
>> VERY 'Sheer'...and if they
>> do, they do so quite reluctantly, as well as tending to go "out"
>> once the
>> flame brought to them is removed, and, who the hell cares anyway?
>> You pour
>> some handy Soft Drink or Coffee on it, or calmy smother
>> it with the sole of your shoe, or as may be, and Life could proceed
>> almostas if we had some self
>> respect, proportion, and common sense...evenb if some 'cloth' DIUD
>> somehowcatch on Fire ( from WHAT???)
>>
>> So...
>>
>> The polite thing to do, is to submit some token item(s) of similar-
>> enoughdescription TO the rip-off sleaze-bag lamprey-mouthed
>> corporate-mentality-creeps, who, leaning a boney calloused counter-
>> elbow to
>> blandly inform us
>> of
>> their charges, will, for a mere couplehundredbucks, ( well, for,
>> three cents
>> worth of
>> chemicals at most, and, two minutes
>> of some expendable cloudy-eyed $8.00 an hour transient hireling's
>> palsied weilding a
>> paid-for-itself after the first week of use twenty years ago
>> anyway, of
>> now
>> grungy and seeping scum-crusted tank-and-spray-wand outfit, in a
>> seedy
>> Warehouse
>> corner, will )
>> 'treat' and 'Certify' one's little 'Curtain' or Cloth items, and,
>> thus, one
>> obtain the 'Certificate' then for those items they have so
>> perfunctorily and
>> cynically 'treated'.
>>
>>
>> Then, one kindly put those items into a thick Mylar Trash Bag, seal
>> it up
>> good, and
>> throw it into into any Dumpster...or, have your congressman or
>> senator blow his coke-dusty septum'd nose in it, and see how he
>> likes it.
>>
>>
>> Then, use the actual Cloth things you WOULD like to use, wholesome
>> ones,freshly Laundered
>> and sweet, and enjoy them being free of nasty off gassing
>> Carcinogens and
>> Neurotoxins and free from schmuck-and-jive bullshit Karma-Cooties,
>> and, if
>> the Fire Marshal or his assigns show up with
>> their 'clipboards', ridiculous in their pathetic polyester short
>> sleeveproletariatfashionstatement 'uniforms' de-jur, at your Booth,
>> you say "Oh
>> Yes! You
>> bet! I made sure to remember to bring it!" and cheerfully hand them
>> the'Certificate'.
>>
>> They may feel mildly grateful, placated even, you feel glad, they
>> cross off
>> the
>> little
>> 'box' on their sheet, they hand you back your 'Certificate', and
>> they say
>> "Thank you" and you say, "Oh! Thank YOU!" and, Life goes on...and
>> everyoneis 'Happy'...or Happy-enough, all things considered, in so
>> far as what
>> 'Happy' can mean under these conditions.
>>
>>
>> Many ( most?) indoor 'Shows' of any kind will require at least
>> ostensibly,that all cloth or wood or
>> other in-theory 'flammible' materials, be 'Fire-proofed' or Treated
>> with'Fire Retardant' by Licensed Business scammers who specialize
>> in Cancer
>> futures for ridiculous rip-off prices 'now' which favor their
>> efforts,
>> for which the 'Licensed Business' issues the victim-sap-pilgrim a
>> GovernmentApproved, Legal, and had-you-over-a-Barrel-didn't-they,
>> 'Certificate'.
>>
>> And, the 'Show' requires this as a condition imposed on them, by
>> local
>> 'Codes' and or the
>> Underwriters of their Liability Insurance Policys' providers, based
>> on
>> projections or
>> other assays, with LOTS of room for profit and padding, of what civil
>> litigation can do, with a stupid enough jury, a stupid enough
>> jury-instruction,
>> and, an emotionally manipulative-enough hamming lawyer-actor-
>> schmuck - ie:
>> the 'Show' does
>> care about YOUR Lymphatic, Breast, Brain or other Cancers
>> metasticisingfive or seven years later making BIG DOUGH for the
>> 'health care' industry's
>> Stockholders, they
>> care about insinuating themselves between you and your Market, or
>> betweenyou and your Money, finding really expensive and
>> inconvenient ways for YOU
>> to conform and oblige, for them to condescend to even bother, in
>> order to
>> rip you off as much as possible with needless and silly 'costs' for
>> you and
>> passed on to you, while, the 'Show' is likely glad-handing about
>> you know,
>> 'Art' or 'Education' or something, as well as, whatever interest in
>> thematter the so called 'Fire Marshal' may wish to indulge for his
>> jobsecurity,
>> and getting his or her check every two weeks, and 'pension'
>> later...whilenodding a tacit approve
>> to how they do not care about their 'costs' when they can pass them
>> on to
>> you, either.
>>
>> So, one is supposed to have
>> their 'Certificate' with them, if intending to use a little Cotton
>> 'Tablecloth' or 'Blanket' or 'Doily' to set one's Wares on.
>>
>>
>> Ahem...
>>
>>
>> Best wishes!
>>
>>
>> Love...
>>
>> Phil
>> l v
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mea Rhee"
>>
>>> Hi everybody, I have a question about the ACC Baltimore show.
>>>
>>> Last year was my first time doing that show, therefore I heeded
>> every word
>>> of the exhibitors'
>>> manual, including flameproofing all of my curtain walls and
>> tableclothes.> The process of
>>> flameproofing was totally heinous ... very irritating to my skin and
>>> lungs, and caused rust to
>>> appear on my steel tent poles (which I now have to battle with
>> WD40). And
>>> even though my lungs
>>> burned from the fumes coming off my treated curtains, I never
>> caught a
>>> whiff of a fire inspector at
>>> that show.
>>>
>>> So now I'm gearing up for next month's show, I have all new
>> curtains and
>>> tableclothes because I
>>> redesigned my booth a bit, and I'm wondering whether I should
>> flameproof> them.
>>>
>>> Has anyone here ever been visited by a fire marshall during the ACC
>>> Baltimore show? Hopefully I'd
>>> like to hear from folks with a lot more ACC experience than me,
>> who also
>>> use a lot of fabric in
>>> their displays.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Mea
>>
>>
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lela martens on mon 28 jan 08
Not me. I have found Phil very usually, if not always knows what he is wri=
ting
about.
Phil..can I use some of that colour and tone for my next letter to the edi=
tor=20
pertaining to the production of sour gas wells and the tar sands around her=
e?
=20
Lela
> All I can is...WOW!!! This is wrong on so many levels, it's hard to> kno=
w where to begin.> > Instead, I'll let it speak for itself. It's stuff like=
this that makes> me ashamed to be among this group.
> > Just about any of these so-called 'Fire Retardants' are of course> > ex=
tremelyCarcinogenic, and in their off-gassings or minute particle> > releas=
es, are> > well known to reliably> > damage or insult the Liver, Kidneys, L=
ungs, Brain, Reproductive> > System,Lymphatic> > System, lodge in the adapo=
se tissues for later Cancers they will> > inspire to> > find impetuous expr=
essions 'later',> > and so on and so> > forth, as well as causing immediate=
and unpleasant irritations 'now'.>
_________________________________________________________________
mark Cortright on mon 28 jan 08
I used to do indoor show's long ago. There was a homemade fireproof formula which was mostly
borax. you soak the cloth and then dry it I cannot recall the other ingredient. The promoter who
gave it out was Steve Powers who is still in business. You could google him and ask for the recipe?
It was rather simple and non irritating.
As for the fire marshall-I still do outdoor shows and they can be the most NUTS power pushing
persons since that guy with the mustache tried to take over the world. I also serve on a board who
puts on a show for 35 years so i know this as a truth.
Mark Cortright
www.liscomhillpottery
Lois Ruben Aronow on mon 28 jan 08
> Precisely because the risk of fire is so high,
> we have fire codes, fire marshalls, etc. When
> they are good, they protect us. When they
> are not it is arguably wiser to try to improve
> them vs. to try to subvert them.
>
> I suspect this is what Lois had in mind.
>
You are correct. Also, the direct equation between cancer and fire
retardants. There are many factors which contribute to cancer - some of
these are genetic, some environmental. Should fire retardants be applied in
a safe manner, the same as using glaze chemicals, clay? Yes. Are they the
sole cause of cancers? Absolutely not.
I also took offense at the suggestion of paying off eager officials, which
Phil sees are basically mafia with badges. No one is being shaken down for
payoffs. There is no vast conspiracy between promoters, the government and
local officials. The bottom line is that promoters must have insurance when
they produce a show, and making sure people are not reckless is one of those
things they are responsible for. Promoters also must obtain permits from
the city to produce a show or a gathering which allows a lot of people to
gather in one space safely. Observing laws is a condition of these permits.
What might be viewed as inconvenience to one vendor is actually what ensures
the show to be open to both other vendors and the public.
I did a show least year where a vendor two booths down from me saw it as her
god-given right to light candles in her booth. This was an experienced
vendor, and she would blow out the candles when a promoter walked near. She
was really lucky that the candle flames didn't catch onto a passing
backpack, or be knocked over by a less-than-careful show attendee.
Maybe I didn't get the joke - sometimes people don't get mine either. It
came across to me as mean-spirited, irresponsible and paranoid.
Mea Rhee on mon 28 jan 08
Yikes I didn't mean to cause a fight. But Lois, pardon my frankness, Phil
made some excellent points, and was very funny. Not to mention he was
responding directly to my question, unlike you, whose response began with "I
didn't read the original question, but ..." then you answered lots of
questions I didn't ask. Which is what drives ME nuts on Clayart, people who
talk without listening.
Anyways, thank you Lynn Goodman for your highly useful response, especially
the link to the Rose Brands website. If my flameproofing adventures don't
work out, Rose Brands carries something that would work perfectly in my booth.
And thank you Mark Cortright, for suggesting a homemade, non-irritating,
borax-based flameproofer. I googled around and found the following:
9 oz Borax Powder
4 oz Boric Acid
1 gallon water
Mix thoroughly and spray on or dip. Solution should drip off material.
This seems to be very inexpensive, and doesn't seem like it will kill me.
I'm going to try it and I will report back.
Mea
gayle bair on mon 28 jan 08
Oops... sorry about the easter egg
that was meant for someone else...
somehow I pasted it into your posting.
Sorry!
BTW The only time I fired a real gun
was in my cousin's basement. My dad brought over
a low caliber rifle where he and my uncle set up a target
in the basement. I asked if I could try...... damn if I wasn't
a bad shot! I held my own or maybe did a bit better than they did...
note they were tyros too!
So what's with the move are you ever going to move out of Oye Veygas?
Gayle Bair
Tucson AZ
Bainbridge Island WA
gayle@claybair.com
www.claybair.com
On Jan 27, 2008, at 10:05 PM, pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET wrote:
> Awwwwwwww...thanks Gayle..!
>
>
>
> And "yes"...though I shoot off-hand, examining the 'Target' will
> show, most
> are at least in the "9-Ring", some "8"s, the odd "7", and a rare
> 'flier'
> that for all I know, bounced off some RV or Weber Bar-B-Que a half
> mile
> on...with a respectable number of "10"s usually, of course, too.
>
> This will not 'Medal' in the 'Olympics', usually, but...it is more
> than
> 'good enough' for most every thing else.
>
>
> The 'Giant Chocolate Easter Egg' ( your 2nd Link ) uhhhh, I was not
> sure
> how that fit in...?
>
>
>
> Love,
>
>
> Phil
> l v
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gayle bair" pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp07g
>
>
>> I don't know Lo..................
>> seems to me there is a LOT of evidence which supports Phil's rant
>> for example see:
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=eiy&q=fire+retardant+effects+on+humans&btnG=Search
>>
>> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1331021.html
>>
>> Gayle Bair
>> Tucson AZ
>> Bainbridge Island WA
>> gayle@claybair.com
>> www.claybair.com
>
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Lois Ruben Aronow on mon 28 jan 08
Well, we can all agree to disagree, and that is fine with me. I felt like
Phil overreacted, and it's not a biggie. I doubt either of us is losing
sleep over it - we've both been around a long time, and I have always
thought Phil is a good guy.
The questions I answered were, I suppose, in response to Lynn's post. Lynn
is indeed the best, and I heart her big time.
If Rose Brand is unable to meet your needs, most companies that supply
theatrical fabrics supply what you need. handy to know if you wanted to
touch and feel for yourself.
Congrats on your first time at Baltimore. It is exciting and overwhelming,
and you'll have a good time. I'm in booth
#1802. I look forward to meeting everyone who is visiting the show, as well
as exhibiting.
And by the way, Mea, I think it's totally incredible that you do forensic
reconstruction. It's an art that has always astounded me.
...Lo
who looks forward to seeing new work at Baltimore
**********
Lois Aronow Porcelain
Brooklyn, NY
www.loisaronow.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Mea Rhee
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 12:12 PM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: fire marshall at acc baltimore
>
> Yikes I didn't mean to cause a fight. But Lois, pardon my
> frankness, Phil made some excellent points, and was very
> funny. Not to mention he was responding directly to my
> question, unlike you, whose response began with "I didn't
> read the original question, but ..." then you answered lots
> of questions I didn't ask. Which is what drives ME nuts on
> Clayart, people who talk without listening.
>
> Anyways, thank you Lynn Goodman for your highly useful
> response, especially the link to the Rose Brands website. If
> my flameproofing adventures don't work out, Rose Brands
> carries something that would work perfectly in my booth.
>
> And thank you Mark Cortright, for suggesting a homemade,
> non-irritating, borax-based flameproofer. I googled around
> and found the following:
>
> 9 oz Borax Powder
> 4 oz Boric Acid
> 1 gallon water
> Mix thoroughly and spray on or dip. Solution should drip off material.
>
> This seems to be very inexpensive, and doesn't seem like it
> will kill me.
> I'm going to try it and I will report back.
>
> Mea
>
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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on tue 29 jan 08
Hi Lois,
Oh golly...
The bottom line here, would seem to me to be that somehow you were not
reading what I
wrote in an easy going way...you took it way to hard and heavy, and it was
not meant that way, not written that way, and I a not "that way" for it to
have come out that way intrinsically.
I am playful, you should know THAT by now!
Lol...
Below...amid...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lois Ruben Aronow"
> Also, the direct equation between cancer and fire
> retardants. There are many factors which contribute to cancer - some of
> these are genetic, some environmental. Should fire retardants be applied
> in
> a safe manner, the same as using glaze chemicals, clay? Yes. Are they the
> sole cause of cancers? Absolutely not.
There seems to have been some problems in your Reading, when
it came to my little missive.
I never said or implied that 'Fire Retardants' were THE 'sole' cause of
everybody's or anybody's Cancers ( though probably these chemicals can be a
sufficient influence as
to qualify as 'cause' or contributing cause, for however many people as got
Cancers FROM these
chemicals, and, got them reliably, or at least stacks of Peer Review Medical
Literature higher than your Roof, had believed it so ) ...or, had
synergistically assisted other Carcinogens, to end up with the same result
or a new version of the same result, which either, alone, may have managed
well enough anyway...at least with the status-quo of Immune Systems
generally, lots of things can be attributed as contributory or as 'cause'.
Or, who knows, but it IS 'curious' how many quite 'serious' Carcinogens get
no 'press' and no propaganda-scares, while the 'Scape Goats', chosen for
their roles, get all the
propaganda.
Uhhhhh, why 'reply' in some different post, not even to me, alluding to my
post, while
finding even MORE to object to in my post that you are not replying to,
finding things to object to, which were never there in the first
place TO object to?
You are putting things into what I wrote, and then objecting to what you
'put' there.
I had said merely in however many words, that most of the Chemicals used for
Commercially 'fire retarding
fabrics', had been understood to be 'Carcinogenic'...never
that they are the only or sole 'cause' of Caners on our Society.
All those Children's "jammies" and 'blankets' and so on...don't
forget...couches upholstery's the family or baby sit or lay on...rugs the
Baby plays on...on and on, too...
> I also took offence at the suggestion of paying off eager officials, which
> Phil sees are basically mafia with badges.
I never said or hinted in any way, anything about 'paying off eager
officials'...
I never in any way made any 'suggestion' about 'paying off' officials of any
kind, eager or not.
If you really think I did, please "quote" it from the original so I can see
where I had said that.
Otherwise Lois, you continue to "put" things into what I wrote, which
were not there, then you are reacting badly to the things you put there,
including being 'offended' by them,
when, they are things YOU are putting there, NOT things which are or were
actually 'there'..!
I know that can happen, to any of us, and I am not mad at you or anything
like that...I just want to clear it up..!
You are a good sport, I think my missive just happened to be something you
came across while not in the right 'space' to work with it.
No big deal...but, if you are claiming I said things I did not say, I would
like to clear it up!
> No one is being shaken down for
> payoffs. There is no vast conspiracy between promoters, the government
> and
> local officials.
This should be a separate subject, which can be regarded in a separate post
or series
sometime...since it was not a component of my missive, which original
'missive' having been mis-read, is what I am interested to deal with
presently.
> The bottom line is that promoters must have insurance when
> they produce a show, and making sure people are not reckless is one of
> those
> things they are responsible for. Promoters also must obtain permits from
> the city to produce a show or a gathering which allows a lot of people to
> gather in one space safely. Observing laws is a condition of these
> permits.
> What might be viewed as inconvenience to one vendor is actually what
> ensures
> the show to be open to both other vendors and the public.
I do not recall disputing this...
I merely shared some insight about it, is all...
And, it does not require much strain for our powers of observation, for us
to
assay, that the Show Promoters or Fire Marshals, or Legislators do not have
to spend time
being close to 'treated' textiles like the exhibitors do...while their
'requirements' for us, require "us" to spend extended time in immediate
association with such 'treated' textiles.
I think we can notice that part, yes?
So, "yes" or "no" ? - is there or is there not, a tacit concession among
the various interested partys, which decides "who" gets to spend all that
time right on or next to these 'treated' Textiles?
Yes, there is an agreement which is a matter of 'Code' as well as tacit
appreciation or concession, about 'who' gets to spend extended time in
intimate or at least close proximity to these 'treated' Textiles, and, the
people who get to spend time with these Textiles, are not the Show
Promoter(s), and, not the 'Fire Inspector'...and not the Legislators, are
they?
No.
> I did a show least year where a vendor two booths down from me saw it as
> her
> god-given right to light candles in her booth. This was an experienced
> vendor, and she would blow out the candles when a promoter walked near.
So what?
It sounds to me like she is together, responsible, imaginative, and was just
trying to
bring a little joy and ambiance to the scene.
For this of course, she must be rebuked?
> She
> was really lucky that the candle flames didn't catch onto a passing
> backpack, or be knocked over by a less-than-careful show attendee.
I am sure she was circumspect, careful and respectful of others. Or at least
your description COULD be read as indicating she was, even if you
dis-approved of her lighting 'Candles' because you can not imagine it being
perfectly fine and no threat to anyone if she did.
I see no reason why it should be a problem, unless she is careless or
stupid, in which case, her being careless or stupid would be the 'problem',
and not the 'Candles'.
Why so uptight?
Lighten up..!
People of my Grandparent's Generation, and even between them and my Parent's
Generation, used to use many dozens of tiny Candles in little thin Tin
plated
Steel Candle-Holder 'clips' to hold them, clipping these tiny holders for
the Candles to be all over the Branches of their Living Room "Christmas
Tree".
When I was in my early teens, I located many of these old "clips" in Thrift
Stores, and, along with lots of other Edwardian era Christmas Ornaments,
thin-as-a-whisp 'Quinces", "Citrus Fruits", "Bells" and so on, Hand Blown
from Bohemia or other, as they tended to be in
those days, I talked my Parents into letting me be in charge of the
Christmas Tree and it's decorating, and, I did it all to a "Tee" as one
would have done it in 1922...and it was LOVELY!!!!
Friends and Neighbors they knew who came over were so entirely enthralled
and nostalgic for how they remembered that from when they had been very
young.
Of course everyone understood that one could go 'wrong' if one was careless.
We had no 'problems'...and, as the Tree dried, I elected not to Light the
tiny Candles any more once I felt the Tree had dried to a certain point.
Seemed easy to me...
Our culture has shifted in ways which train everyone from birth, to be
needy, worried, angry, overly concerned about anyone else 'getting away
with' what they themselves dare not do, and to miss what is important, while
lost in minutiae and lost in pejorative judgements and lost 'to' any
critical
'judgement' as for contexts and continuitys, and what 'reasons' mean, and
just seeing abstracts.
Thus are we 'managed' and thus are we grateful for being saved the trouble
of being responsible for ourselves, even to where we can handle that we or
others might screw up sometimes.
Everything is driven by money and litigation and stock-holders' greed, and
we can not even 'see' the
Hell it has all become to be that way...
> Maybe I didn't get the joke - sometimes people don't get mine either. It
> came across to me as mean-spirited, irresponsible and paranoid.
There is something 'off' here Lois as for your not reading what I had
written, your putting things into it which were not there, and then finding
fault with the things you had 'put' there, even to where you are insulting
me now and
somewhat attacking me...and saying my missive came across to you as being
the 'mean
spirited, irresponsible and paranoid'.
No, my missive was not any of those things, rather, it was merely and
casually "well informed"...irreverent, earnest, ironic, and playful.
Why do you not notice those qualitys?
You are also making an oblique "ad hominid" assault, an assault againt me,
rather than presenting an arguement which is about the ostensible "subject"
or
'subjects' as such, where a difference of opinion could be discussed
reasonably with no need of negative emotion.
I am confident, that if you go back, and read the little missive again, with
a open mind, you will find little to nothing to object to or find fault
with...
All is well here with me...no wrinkles...
Best wishes!
Phil
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Mea Rhee on thu 31 jan 08
So I have tested the homemade flame retardant, and I am happy to report that
it works!
Again the formula is:
9 oz borax powder
4 oz boric acid
1 gallon water
I found both ingredients at the hardware store, borax in the laundry aisle,
and boric acid with the insecticides. I spent $10 to buy both. When dipped
in this solution and dried, my fabric would not catch on fire even after 20
seconds of direct flame contact (my fabric when untreated will ignite in
about 2 seconds). The test that the ACC exhibitors' manual says your booth
must pass is 10 seconds of direct flame contact.
It took two gallons of this mixture to dunk all of my booth fabric, 9
curtains and 4 tableclothes. After the fabric dried, there was some gritty
residue here and there, which I brushed off with my hand. The treated fabric
is slightly stiffer than before, but otherwise looks exactly the same. It
doesn't irritate my skin, and doesn't smell like anything.
For safety, I wore a dust mask and rubber gloves while mixing, and just
rubber gloves while dunking. I never once felt itchy, never got a sore
throat or headache.
All things considered, the process was cheap, comfortable, wasn't difficult,
but was somewhat time-consuming. I feel much relief knowing my booth will
pass a fire test. I figured out that buying pre-treated fabric would have
cost about $300, so I'm glad to not have that expense for this show. But
next time I need fabric for an indoor booth, I think I will buy the
pre-treated fabric, just to save time.
Thanks to everyone who gave advice, and bring on the fire marshall!
Mea
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