Lois Ruben Aronow on tue 12 feb 08
Fear not. Like any workplace, the set must conform to OSHA standards.
(What? You thought they were really smoking in "Mad Men"? or drinking? Or
that regular people were driving cars off cliffs?)
Advertising, television and the like take some creative license. It is
important in sales to show the face of the person.
If thousands of people start sculpting recklessly as a result of a
seconds-long shot of an unmasked sculptor, then maybe there is hope that
husbands will start food-shopping, floor mopping and diaper changing too.
Just like on TV.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
> Lili Krakowski
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:32 AM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: dust inhalation shocker
>
> Yes, I have seen the commercial. It is scary that an ad
> agency would put out such a thing, and a company allow it.
> Using those tools the "sculptor" should be wearing a face
> mask, besides safety glasses.
>
> But what the heck! There are countless ads and posters
> featuring women in bikinis and workboots handling chain saws
> or riding motorcycles. They all will come visit the sculptor
> with silicosis when he is in the hospital!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Lili Krakowski
>
> Be of good courage
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Lili Krakowski on tue 12 feb 08
Yes, I have seen the commercial. It is scary that an ad agency would put
out such a thing, and a company allow it.
Using those tools the "sculptor" should be wearing a face mask, besides
safety glasses.
But what the heck! There are countless ads and posters featuring women in
bikinis
and workboots handling chain saws or riding motorcycles. They all will come
visit
the sculptor with silicosis when he is in the hospital!
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
Bonnie Hellman on wed 13 feb 08
Last night a friend and I watched Mike in Dirty Jobs, at a hand made brick
factory where there was a lot of dust, visible on the TV screen. There was
not a dust mask of any sort in sight.
Just love that show! I felt sorry for the workers in that factory.
Bonnie
Bonnie D. Hellman
Ouray, Colorado 81427
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lili Krakowski"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:31 AM
Subject: dust inhalation shocker
> Yes, I have seen the commercial. It is scary that an ad agency would put
> out such a thing, and a company allow it.
> Using those tools the "sculptor" should be wearing a face mask, besides
> safety glasses.
>
> But what the heck! There are countless ads and posters featuring women in
> bikinis
> and workboots handling chain saws or riding motorcycles. They all will
> come
> visit
> the sculptor with silicosis when he is in the hospital!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Lili Krakowski
>
> Be of good courage
>
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Digital Studio on thu 14 feb 08
I noticed that too when I watched that episode. I'm contemplating making
a video of me mixing glazes and the other work study making clay and
inviting Mike over to our college... you all know that it's a Dirty Job!
Even though Mike went the face jars pottery, he didn't mix the glaze or
the clay. We can get him a couple shelves to grind the glaze off of.
That's a great job, too!
Bonnie Hellman wrote:
> Last night a friend and I watched Mike in Dirty Jobs, at a hand made
> brick
> factory where there was a lot of dust, visible on the TV screen. There
> was
> not a dust mask of any sort in sight.
>
> Just love that show! I felt sorry for the workers in that factory.
>
> Bonnie
>
> Bonnie D. Hellman
> Ouray, Colorado 81427
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lili Krakowski"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:31 AM
> Subject: dust inhalation shocker
>
>
>> Yes, I have seen the commercial. It is scary that an ad agency would
>> put
>> out such a thing, and a company allow it.
>> Using those tools the "sculptor" should be wearing a face mask, besides
>> safety glasses.
>>
>> But what the heck! There are countless ads and posters featuring
>> women in
>> bikinis
>> and workboots handling chain saws or riding motorcycles. They all will
>> come
>> visit
>> the sculptor with silicosis when he is in the hospital!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Lili Krakowski
>>
>> Be of good courage
>>
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Ben Shelton on thu 14 feb 08
Back up there sister.
Not only do I do dishes,
I sweep, mop, wash clothes, cook, bathe kids, change diapers, buy groceries,
drop kids off at functions, shop for kids clothes, kiss boo boos
the world she is a changin and some of us men just never paid any attention
to the traditional man/woman work assignments set forth by society.
In my house, it is all work and it all needs to get done. If you see it, do it.
More and more men and women are blurring traditional gender roles where they
don't make sense. Anyway, I hope this comes off friendly and not groutchy
cause I don't mean it in a grumpy fashion, just thought I'd put my 2 cents
in fwiw
Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming
As to the dust hazards on TV
I too saw the ad and the Dirty jobs episode. I was agast at the brick plant.
I hope someone has reported them to Osha. Noone should be without a mask in
that plant. And education about the risks. The employer should be education
those folks about what will happen if they don't wear the masks in addition
to providing them... What a world we live in.
gayle bair on thu 14 feb 08
I have a sneaky suspicion that the producers do not want to
obscure Mike Rowe's face with a mask.
I'd bet they'd get a lot of flack from viewers.. besides it's hard to
talk with
and be understood through with a mask. I can only imagine the dust,
bacteria,
toxins he and the crew have been exposed to over the duration of that
show.
As to that stupid commercial I ranted about it to my husband when I
first saw it.
I hope that actor and the filming crew has good insurance.
re: parental roles
My kids are 28 & 24 and my husband has been a fabulous dad and partner.
We shared all the roles with the exception of birthing & nursing the
babies.
Gayle Bair - in windy and soon to be cold
Tucson AZ
Bainbridge Island WA
gayle@claybair.com
www.claybair.com
On Feb 14, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Ben Shelton wrote:
> Back up there sister.
> Not only do I do dishes,
> I sweep, mop, wash clothes, cook, bathe kids, change diapers, buy
> groceries,
> drop kids off at functions, shop for kids clothes, kiss boo boos
> snip>
>
> As to the dust hazards on TV
>
> I too saw the ad and the Dirty jobs episode. I was agast at the
> brick plant.
> I hope someone has reported them to Osha. Noone should be without a
> mask in
> that plant. And education about the risks. The employer should be
> education
> those folks about what will happen if they don't wear the masks in
> addition
> to providing them... What a world we live in.
Kenneth D. Westfall on thu 14 feb 08
It was once relayed to me by a friend who worked at a clay plant that to
meet OSHA regulation you have to have enough dust exhaust and air flow that
you don't need a mask and if you needed a mask your not in compliance with
OSHA!
Kenneth D. Westfall
Pine Hill Pottery
HC 80 Box 32
Harrisville, WV 26362-9507
kenneth@pinehillpottery.com
http://www.pinehillpottery.com
vpitelka on fri 15 feb 08
It is amazing that anyone in a position of such public visibility can be
that irresponsible, but it happens. Being an eternal optimist, I expect
people to know better. I give them credit for that, but it often seems
undeserved. I was lucky to learn about proper dust protection very early.
As a student in Stephen Daly's foundry program at Humboldt State University
in the late 60s we received a serious lecture on lung health and proper dust
protection, and Daly required that we all purchase MSA (Mine Safety
Association) approved twin-element respirators that protect against fine
particulates AND organic solvents. Certain circumstances in the foundry
program fortuitously caused me to switch to ceramics, and I had found my
niche. But when we were mixing clay in one of the original Soldner mixers,
I was the ONLY one wearing a respirator. Ever since then I have been very
careful about dust protection, and my lungs thank me. If you are so
inclined, please check out my handout on studio safety at
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/safety.htm. It includes good information on
respirators, but if anyone notices anything that I have neglected in that
handout I'd love to hear about it. I'm always trying to improve it.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
vpitelka on fri 15 feb 08
Kenneth Westfall wrote:
"It was once relayed to me by a friend who worked at a clay plant that to
meet OSHA regulation you have to have enough dust exhaust and air flow that
you don't need a mask and if you needed a mask your not in compliance with
OSHA!"
There are so many things in OSHA guidelines that seem completely ridiculous.
Several years ago, when I had the audacity to write about tool safety in my
"Tool Times" column in Clay Times magazine, a certain expert on industrial
hygiene and safety that we all know got VERY bent out of shape, and
criticized every little detail in my column. She insisted that Clay Times
have me publish corrections in my next columns, and among those corrections
was the OSHA requirement that employees refuse to wear dust-protection masks
of any kind unless they have been through a certified OSHA training course
in the proper fit and use of those masks. I refused to put that information
in my column, and it was published as a sidebar after my column. I hate to
think of all the people who have been injured by breathing harmful amounts
of dust because of this OSHA "requirement." This is one of those examples
where a little %&^$@# common sense would go a long way, but OSHA (and the
industrial hygiene and safety expert I referred to) seem to be very short on
common sense.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on fri 15 feb 08
Hi Vince, all...
I find myself wondering why vignettes or other scenes or details in Movies
or on Tee Vee, would have to ONLY show people or hired actors being totally
'compliant' with any agenda at all?
What are we, incapable of thinking independantly of what we 'see' on Tee Vee
or in Movies?
To me, this is very much worth wondering about...
Should we insist or accept ledgislators insisting, on having strict
government regulations which impose heavy fines, allow civil liability
damages, and or sentence to Prison, anyone guilty of NOT appearing in the
exact pee-cee stance, accoutremon, or other agenda which MUST be insisted on
for 'our' protection in case we see it?
Love,
Phil
l v
----- Original Message -----
From: "vpitelka"
> It is amazing that anyone in a position of such public visibility can be
> that irresponsible, but it happens.
<<<<>>>
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft
> Tennessee Tech University
> vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
Edouard Bastarache Inc. on sat 16 feb 08
This is one of those examples
where a little %&^$@# common sense would go a long
way, but OSHA (and the
industrial hygiene and safety expert I referred
to) seem to be very short on
common sense.
(Vince)
YAY !!!
Gis la revido,
(A la revoyure)
Edouard Bastarache
Spertesperantisto
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/potier/20321056/
http://perso.orange.fr/smart2000/livres.htm
http://www.pshcanada.com/Toxicology.htm
http://myblogsmesblogs.blogspot.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "vpitelka"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: dust inhalation shocker
> Kenneth Westfall wrote:
> "It was once relayed to me by a friend who
> worked at a clay plant that to
> meet OSHA regulation you have to have enough
> dust exhaust and air flow that
> you don't need a mask and if you needed a mask
> your not in compliance with
> OSHA!"
>
> There are so many things in OSHA guidelines that
> seem completely ridiculous.
> Several years ago, when I had the audacity to
> write about tool safety in my
> "Tool Times" column in Clay Times magazine, a
> certain expert on industrial
> hygiene and safety that we all know got VERY
> bent out of shape, and
> criticized every little detail in my column.
> She insisted that Clay Times
> have me publish corrections in my next columns,
> and among those corrections
> was the OSHA requirement that employees refuse
> to wear dust-protection masks
> of any kind unless they have been through a
> certified OSHA training course
> in the proper fit and use of those masks. I
> refused to put that information
> in my column, and it was published as a sidebar
> after my column. I hate to
> think of all the people who have been injured by
> breathing harmful amounts
> of dust because of this OSHA "requirement."
> This is one of those examples
> where a little %&^$@# common sense would go a
> long way, but OSHA (and the
> industrial hygiene and safety expert I referred
> to) seem to be very short on
> common sense.
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft
> Tennessee Tech University
> vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
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Earl Brunner on sat 16 feb 08
When I got looking at mask use for the Art Center, I found out that "if" I wore a dust mask, then they would have to evaluate the situation and test the air, (which would most likely require them to move the claymixer, and the glaze spay booth out of the 30 year old ceramics studio, which would probably shut the program down in reality) then they would require me and anyone else that "worked" in the environment (not students, because they weren't employees) to go in periodically for lung capacity checkups. So I hide my hepa filter and mix clay when nobody else is around.
Earl Brunner
Las Vegas, NV
----- Original Message ----
From: vpitelka
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:08:49 PM
Subject: Re: dust inhalation shocker
Kenneth Westfall wrote:
"It was once relayed to me by a friend who worked at a clay plant that to
meet OSHA regulation you have to have enough dust exhaust and air flow that
you don't need a mask and if you needed a mask your not in compliance with
OSHA!"
steve graber on sat 16 feb 08
excelent, excelent, excelent!
i happen to work for a breathing mask company - we design and supply fighter pilot masks and such. i have a beard, and therefore "can not be fitted" for a proper mask ~ according to the rules.
meanwhile, i CAN still benifit from wearing a mask and WAS fitted by a technitian and validated for proper mask fit up to some crazy altitude.
when discussing masks and potential business markets we can supply to, etc with my boss, i was constantly told "OSHA says" as a way for him to shoot down my ideas.
we all know OSHA is a government beast, and their rules driven by lots of politics... we also know for dust, less exposure is better than more exposure. the same goes with good air and bad air regardless of "perfect fit".
we have another product that i feel could benifit the farming industry for farmer protection while spraying fields, and again my boss falls back on "OSHA SAYS". (so we will not be supplying this product to farmers. it also would be very useful for the fire fighters in forest areas. sorry. you firemen will just have to breath junk because people like my boss say "OSHA SAYS IT'S NOT REQUIRED").
a bad fitting mask helps more then no mask. what IS required is the person needs to know or suspect they are not fitted well and still be cautious until they have their fit confirmed by training or by a mask technitian.
but STILL wear a mask!
see ya
Steve Graber, Graber's Pottery, Inc
Claremont, California USA
The Steve Tool - for awesum texture on pots!
www.graberspottery.com steve@graberspottery.com
----- Original Message ----
From: vpitelka
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:08:49 PM
Subject: Re: dust inhalation shocker
Kenneth Westfall wrote:
"It was once relayed to me by a friend who worked at a clay plant that to
meet OSHA regulation you have to have enough dust exhaust and air flow that
you don't need a mask and if you needed a mask your not in compliance with
OSHA!"
There are so many things in OSHA guidelines that seem completely ridiculous.
Several years ago, when I had the audacity to write about tool safety in my
"Tool Times" column in Clay Times magazine, a certain expert on industrial
hygiene and safety that we all know got VERY bent out of shape, and
criticized every little detail in my column. She insisted that Clay Times
have me publish corrections in my next columns, and among those corrections
was the OSHA requirement that employees refuse to wear dust-protection masks
of any kind unless they have been through a certified OSHA training course
in the proper fit and use of those masks. I refused to put that information
in my column, and it was published as a sidebar after my column. I hate to
think of all the people who have been injured by breathing harmful amounts
of dust because of this OSHA "requirement." This is one of those examples
where a little %&^$@# common sense would go a long way, but OSHA (and the
industrial hygiene and safety expert I referred to) seem to be very short on
common sense.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
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William & Susan Schran User on sat 16 feb 08
On 2/15/08 7:08 PM, "vpitelka" wrote:
> She insisted that Clay Times
> have me publish corrections in my next columns, and among those corrections
> was the OSHA requirement that employees refuse to wear dust-protection masks
> of any kind unless they have been through a certified OSHA training course
> in the proper fit and use of those masks.
Hey Vince,
Had my school health & safety person come to me about my volunteer studio
assistants needing to go through the training course AND go get the related
physical exam with their doctor that THEY had to pay for.
I simply pointed out the requirement, as you stated above, is for EMPLOYEES,
not volunteers or students.
Common sense, often just ain't all that common!
Bill
--
William "Bill" Schran
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wschran@nvcc.edu
http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
Lois Ruben Aronow on sat 16 feb 08
I would hope that the viewing audience is somewhat able to be able to tell
reality from fantasy.
Are all Italians in the mafia? Doctors daringly having sex in hospitals in
between emergencies? Superheroes really able to fly from tall buildings? A
plane crashes on an uncharted island in the south pacific and everyone is
incredibly hot and horny and groomed?
and most important - reality television is considered "entertainment", not
"documentary".
...Lo
loving the hubbub surrounding "Dexter"
>
> I find myself wondering why vignettes or other scenes or
> details in Movies or on Tee Vee, would have to ONLY show
> people or hired actors being totally 'compliant' with any
> agenda at all?
>
>
> What are we, incapable of thinking independantly of what we
> 'see' on Tee Vee or in Movies?
>
>
> To me, this is very much worth wondering about...
>
>
> Should we insist or accept ledgislators insisting, on having
> strict government regulations which impose heavy fines, allow
> civil liability damages, and or sentence to Prison, anyone
> guilty of NOT appearing in the exact pee-cee stance,
> accoutremon, or other agenda which MUST be insisted on for
> 'our' protection in case we see it?
>
>
David Berg on sat 16 feb 08
On Feb 15, 2008, at 7:08 PM, vpitelka wrote:
> ... She insisted that Clay Times
> have me publish corrections in my next columns, and among those
> corrections
> was the OSHA requirement that employees refuse to wear dust-
> protection masks
> of any kind unless they have been through a certified OSHA training
> course
> in the proper fit and use of those masks. I refused to put that
> information
> in my column, and it was published as a sidebar after my column. I
> hate to
> think of all the people who have been injured by breathing harmful
> amounts
> of dust because of this OSHA "requirement." This is one of those
> examples
> where a little %&^$@# common sense would go a long way, but OSHA
> (and the
> industrial hygiene and safety expert I referred to) seem to be very
> short on
> common sense.
> - Vince
I agree that some OSHA rules sound stupid. ... and I should know,
because I work under OSHA rules. A little common sense goes a
long way and is enough for most to stay safe. However,sometimes
the rules are there to protect idiots from themselves.
How about this rule:
"No eating in the lab. However, beverages may be consumed at well
defined desk ares in the lab as long as it is in a covered container
with a small drinking hole."
The dimensions of the small drinking hole are defined and the reason
given for the covered beverage container is so that nothing harmful
that may happen to be floating around in the air can fall into one's
drink.
Now, these potential "harmful" airborne poisons are nothing that
anyone could breath in, of course. They are only harmful if they
happen to fall into your coffee! ha! ha! We don't argue about it,
though, because we're just glad the safety squad hasn't completely
banned coffee at our desks.
Similarly, the reasoning behind the certified OSHA training for
fitting a dust mask or respirator makes a little sense if you stop
to think about how it might have come about. Someone,
somewhere, in the past may have had a leaky, poorly fitted
mask, breathed in some harmful particles, got cancer, died
and his survivors sued the company for millions of dollars for
not formally training employees in the proper fitting technique.
A single occurrence like that out of the millions and millions
of employees who use the mask properly could have lead to
the new rule
A lot of OSHA laws are written that way (IMHO) ... to protect
and prevent a remote occurrence. I mean, without training,
what if someone thought the mask went on their ears?
David
David Berg
dberg2@comcast.net
http://bergstoneware.com/
Jesse Hull at Wiseman Ceramics on sat 16 feb 08
Somehow this thread has come unraveled. I listed the original post as "Dust
Inhalation Shocker - Allergy Pill Advertisement" (perhaps I'll keep the
title shorter from here on). Anyway, it seems to have been set into a
category all it's own ...somewhere.
On that very note --Clayart is a great place to exchange, but I really look
forward to the more modern format that's coming.
Not having the ability to reply to a post directly, & thereby not having
that reply automatically cataloged within the correct thread (whether the
title is altered or not), disrupts the line of communication, IMHO. And it
certainly messes with one's ability to make sense of the archives.
ListServe has done it's job to date, but I welcome a change.
*BTW- This isn't a complaint toward Mel, the ACS, or the Potter's Council...
hats off to you all*
AS PER THE RECENT DUST INHALATION POSTINGS, and the commercial I pointed out:
Most agreed, but there were a few who shrugged it off both to me off-line,
and in general here on the forum. Perhaps I'm too sensitive?
I certainly understand that we are all capable of making judgments about
what we see on-screen.
But what would be the reaction if a commercial portrayed someone spraying
paint indoors, demolishing Sheetrock, or installing fiberglass insulation
without a mask? I guess I just found it disturbing that there still exists
such ignorance around the threat of breathing toxic dust, that a commercial
like that could be made without someone, at some point during the shoot
going, "um, ...hooold on a minute".
And the commercial's whole theme of symptom suppression (e.g., coughing and
sneezing)? THAT doesn't seem weird to EVERYONE!?!
I find it odd that watching a guy grind rock into lung scarring particles is
just another scene that passes in front of us on the TV... while, in many
homes, a HEPA unit occupying the same living area whirrs away, protecting us
from allergens.
I ended my post with the Russian Roulette analogy, that if broadcast, would
certainly grab the attention of all but the most desensitized of us.
A gun, of course, creates a scenario presenting more of an instant threat of
death. That being said, I'd be hard pressed to choose between painfully
suffocating during my final months over the efficiency of a bullet...
If my words seem too descriptive, then perhaps you've finally joined me in
the mental imagery I experienced when viewing that commercial.
You have a right to your opinion, but I do hope we're all (Clar_t_n) Clear.
~jesse.
Fred Parker on sun 17 feb 08
I haven't been following this thread so I might be about to say something
stupid. WOn't be the first time...
A decade or so ago I decided I needed a career change. I suppose I was
going through that mid-life crisis for men you've all heard about.
ANyway, instead of the twenty-something mistress and red sports car I
bought a automobile painting franchise. I just thought it would be
interesting, ok? It wasn't.
But it was my first real encounter with OSHA. I HAD to provide safety
equipment for my employees -- masks, glasses, air nozzles etc. I had no
problem with that, except almost every one of the geniuses I hired refused
to use any of it. They said it was "uncomfortable." It all ended up in a
corner of the shop, destroyed and swept into the pile of sanding dust they
wouldn't pick up.
OSHA's take on all of this was, not only did I have to provide it, I had
to FORCE them to use it -- even if they didn't want to. If they didn't,
according to OSHA, I was supposed to replace them with others who would.
I'm sure that made a lot of sense to some social-engineering bureaucrat in
Washington. He didn't have to recruit my employees. I did. FInding
people who are willing to sand old cars 8 hours a day for not much $$
isn't the greatest of recruiting experiences. Then, once I found them,
often I had to get them out of bed, my bathroom and/or jail to get any
production. (This is not an exageration)
OSHA is a good idea but a very bad implementation -- as are most
government-conceived schemes I've seen. I believe most small-business
employers are genuinely concerned for their employees health and safety.
Like me, most have absolutely no problem providing the equipment and doing
the training to help keep them safe and well. But it's a real bitch when
the person set to benefit thumbs his nose at you, knowing full well what
the OSHA regs are.
Fred Parker
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:08:49 -0600, vpitelka wrote:
>Kenneth Westfall wrote:
>"It was once relayed to me by a friend who worked at a clay plant that to
>meet OSHA regulation you have to have enough dust exhaust and air flow
that
>you don't need a mask and if you needed a mask your not in compliance with
>OSHA!"
>
>There are so many things in OSHA guidelines that seem completely
ridiculous.
>Several years ago, when I had the audacity to write about tool safety in
my
>"Tool Times" column in Clay Times magazine, a certain expert on industrial
>hygiene and safety that we all know got VERY bent out of shape, and
>criticized every little detail in my column. She insisted that Clay Times
>have me publish corrections in my next columns, and among those
corrections
>was the OSHA requirement that employees refuse to wear dust-protection
masks
>of any kind unless they have been through a certified OSHA training course
>in the proper fit and use of those masks. I refused to put that
information
>in my column, and it was published as a sidebar after my column. I hate
to
>think of all the people who have been injured by breathing harmful amounts
>of dust because of this OSHA "requirement." This is one of those examples
>where a little %&^$@# common sense would go a long way, but OSHA (and the
>industrial hygiene and safety expert I referred to) seem to be very short
on
>common sense.
>- Vince
>
>Vince Pitelka
>Appalachian Center for Craft
>Tennessee Tech University
>vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
>http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
>
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marci Boskie's Mama =^..^= on sun 17 feb 08
> Lois Ruben Aronow said:
>
> A
>plane crashes on an uncharted island in the south pacific and everyone is
>incredibly hot and horny and groomed?
Lo, THAT part is TRUE!!!!! REALLY !!!........I saw it
on TV .............:O)
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steve graber on sun 17 feb 08
did you ever notice that the company's who are certified to remove asbestos from homes drive their trucks away from your home full of the stuff & onto the freeway?
i guess asbestos in the house is bad. in the truck in front of me on the freeway is ok...
see ya
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Claremont, California USA
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----- Original Message ----
From: Jesse Hull at Wiseman Ceramics
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:02:34 PM
Subject: Re: dust inhalation shocker
Somehow this thread has come unraveled. I listed the original post as "Dust
Inhalation Shocker - Allergy Pill Advertisement" (perhaps I'll keep the
title shorter from here on). Anyway, it seems to have been set into a
category all it's own ...somewhere.
On that very note --Clayart is a great place to exchange, but I really look
forward to the more modern format that's coming.
Not having the ability to reply to a post directly, & thereby not having
that reply automatically cataloged within the correct thread (whether the
title is altered or not), disrupts the line of communication, IMHO. And it
certainly messes with one's ability to make sense of the archives.
ListServe has done it's job to date, but I welcome a change.
*BTW- This isn't a complaint toward Mel, the ACS, or the Potter's Council...
hats off to you all*
AS PER THE RECENT DUST INHALATION POSTINGS, and the commercial I pointed out:
Most agreed, but there were a few who shrugged it off both to me off-line,
and in general here on the forum. Perhaps I'm too sensitive?
I certainly understand that we are all capable of making judgments about
what we see on-screen.
But what would be the reaction if a commercial portrayed someone spraying
paint indoors, demolishing Sheetrock, or installing fiberglass insulation
without a mask? I guess I just found it disturbing that there still exists
such ignorance around the threat of breathing toxic dust, that a commercial
like that could be made without someone, at some point during the shoot
going, "um, ...hooold on a minute".
And the commercial's whole theme of symptom suppression (e.g., coughing and
sneezing)? THAT doesn't seem weird to EVERYONE!?!
I find it odd that watching a guy grind rock into lung scarring particles is
just another scene that passes in front of us on the TV... while, in many
homes, a HEPA unit occupying the same living area whirrs away, protecting us
from allergens.
I ended my post with the Russian Roulette analogy, that if broadcast, would
certainly grab the attention of all but the most desensitized of us.
A gun, of course, creates a scenario presenting more of an instant threat of
death. That being said, I'd be hard pressed to choose between painfully
suffocating during my final months over the efficiency of a bullet...
If my words seem too descriptive, then perhaps you've finally joined me in
the mental imagery I experienced when viewing that commercial.
You have a right to your opinion, but I do hope we're all (Clar_t_n) Clear.
~jesse.
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James and Sherron Bowen on tue 19 feb 08
OSHA was dead right. You should hire employees who will do what they are
told when working in an environment as toxic as car painting. If you can't
find people to work under those conditions for the compensation you're
offering then increase the compensation. If increasing the employee
compensation and providing a safe workplace is beyond the means of your
business then close up shop because there are car painting businesses and
body shops that do compensate their employees well and provide a safe
workplace at the same time.
james bowen
boyero, colorado
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Parker"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: dust inhalation shocker
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The American Public sits down to breakfast. "It sips its coffee and reads of
its soldiers administering the "water cure" to rebels; of how water with
handfuls of salt thrown in to make it more efficacious, is forced down the
throats of the patients until their bodies become distended to the point of
bursting; of how our soldiers then jump on the distended bodies to force the
water out quickly so that the "treatment" can begin all over again. The
American Public takes another sip of its coffee and remarks, "How very
unpleasant!""
the New York World, April 16, 1902
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