Charles Hightower on tue 11 mar 08
My employer is looking for a way to do full color portraits for grave
markers. They would have to be UV and weather resistant. Right away I
thought ceramic decals. Here's the catch. We want to be able to print
these in house mainly for time concerns. I know from research that this
can be done simply by using black ink containing RIO, however he wants to
be able to print color. What special equipment and techniques are involved
in this and is it even the best method?
Charles Hightower
http://www.hightowerpottery.com
Evansville, IN
Fredrick Paget on tue 11 mar 08
>My employer is looking for a way to do full color portraits for grave
>markers. They would have to be UV and weather resistant. Right away I
>thought ceramic decals. Here's the catch. We want to be able to print
>these in house mainly for time concerns. I know from research that this
>can be done simply by using black ink containing RIO, however he wants to
>be able to print color. What special equipment and techniques are involved
>in this and is it even the best method?
>
>Charles Hightower
>http://www.hightowerpottery.com
>Evansville, IN
Memorial portraits as these are called here in the USA, are a nitche
business here but are much more popular in some other countries such
as southern Europe and the East. It goes back 150 years done mostly
by a darkroom process called gum bichromate that yields a black and
white image on porcelain, glass , or enameled metal.
Now days they use full color from laser printers loaded with a
special ( and very expensive) toner containing ceramic stain. This
is printed on decal paper and the decal is tansfered to the preferred
substrate and fired on, leaving a permanent image . There is a
company that makes these on enameled stainless steel in US.
. Considering the
prevalance of vandalism in US these are the way to go. Very expensive
though.
.
An in house set up using a Cannon copier from EBay could cost
$15,000to $30,000 depending on how much computer equipment and
software you have already. There is a giant learning curve here as
you need knowledge in several fields. You could buy the decals from
Easy Ceramic Decals and avoid that part of it but you will still need
a kiln and computer stuff as well as sources for substrates.
Incidently RIO does not give a black image. It is kind of sepia color
and the one I have had outside for 10 years exposed to our mild
climate in the San Francisco Bay area is fading. You can't glaze over
RIO as it fades it into a different light yellow valence state so the
image is right out there on the surface.
I have been fooling around with decals for quite a while and you
might get some ideas from reading my homepage.
--
Fred Paget
Twin Dragon Studio
Mill Valley, CA, USA
fredrick@well.com
Charter Member Potters Council
Lois Ruben Aronow on tue 11 mar 08
You can make your own decals. Silk screen and china paint, plus decal
emulsion.
There are volumes about making decals in the archives. For small-scall
decals, you might want to get yourself a Gocco (www.savegocco.com). also
try Nehoc: Nehoc (www.nehoc.com.au) The Gocco is no longer being
manufactured, so you'll have to do a little searching for it. Supplies for
it are still somewhat plentiful.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
> Charles Hightower
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:05 PM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: full color decals
>
> My employer is looking for a way to do full color portraits
> for grave markers. They would have to be UV and weather
> resistant. Right away I thought ceramic decals. Here's the
> catch. We want to be able to print these in house mainly for
> time concerns. I know from research that this can be done
> simply by using black ink containing RIO, however he wants to
> be able to print color. What special equipment and techniques
> are involved in this and is it even the best method?
>
> Charles Hightower
> http://www.hightowerpottery.com
> Evansville, IN
>
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gary navarre on wed 12 mar 08
Hay Charles and Crew,
In Google Images type 'sublimation printing'. This
process is used to print in full color on unusual
substrates like metal, ceramic, plastic, cloth. I'm
thinking the heating element material is forgiving
enough to make clamps for odd ceramic shapes, not just
the 12 oz. straight white cup from China and Korea.
Good luck and stay in there eh!
--- Charles Hightower
wrote:
> My employer is looking for a way to do full color
> portraits for grave
> markers. They would have to be UV and weather
> resistant. Right away I
> thought ceramic decals. Here's the catch. We want to
> be able to print
> these in house mainly for time concerns. I know from
> research that this
> can be done simply by using black ink containing
> RIO, however he wants to
> be able to print color. What special equipment and
> techniques are involved
> in this and is it even the best method?
>
> Charles Hightower
> http://www.hightowerpottery.com
> Evansville, IN
>
>
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Charlie Hightower on wed 12 mar 08
So the special toner itself has the stains in it.
Where can I get the toner. This is a full service
printing company that I'm working for handling most of
the ads in the city. He has all the equipment. I know
of decal suppliers that I can get the paper but am
lost at finding the "special toner" for full color.
Sources? Thanks.
Charles Hightower
http://www.hightowerpottery.com
--- Fredrick Paget wrote:
> >My employer is looking for a way to do full color
> portraits for grave
> >markers. They would have to be UV and weather
> resistant. Right away I
> >thought ceramic decals. Here's the catch. We want
> to be able to print
> >these in house mainly for time concerns. I know
> from research that this
> >can be done simply by using black ink containing
> RIO, however he wants to
> >be able to print color. What special equipment and
> techniques are involved
> >in this and is it even the best method?
> >
> >Charles Hightower
> >http://www.hightowerpottery.com
> >Evansville, IN
>
> Memorial portraits as these are called here in the
> USA, are a nitche
> business here but are much more popular in some
> other countries such
> as southern Europe and the East. It goes back 150
> years done mostly
> by a darkroom process called gum bichromate that
> yields a black and
> white image on porcelain, glass , or enameled metal.
>
> Now days they use full color from laser printers
> loaded with a
> special ( and very expensive) toner containing
> ceramic stain. This
> is printed on decal paper and the decal is tansfered
> to the preferred
> substrate and fired on, leaving a permanent image .
> There is a
> company that makes these on enameled stainless steel
> in US.
> .
> Considering the
> prevalance of vandalism in US these are the way to
> go. Very expensive
> though.
> .
> An in house set up using a Cannon copier from EBay
> could cost
> $15,000to $30,000 depending on how much computer
> equipment and
> software you have already. There is a giant learning
> curve here as
> you need knowledge in several fields. You could buy
> the decals from
> Easy Ceramic Decals and avoid that part of it but
> you will still need
> a kiln and computer stuff as well as sources for
> substrates.
>
>
> Incidently RIO does not give a black image. It is
> kind of sepia color
> and the one I have had outside for 10 years exposed
> to our mild
> climate in the San Francisco Bay area is fading. You
> can't glaze over
> RIO as it fades it into a different light yellow
> valence state so the
> image is right out there on the surface.
>
> I have been fooling around with decals for quite a
> while and you
> might get some ideas from reading my homepage.
>
> --
> Fred Paget
> Twin Dragon Studio
> Mill Valley, CA, USA
> fredrick@well.com
>
>
> Charter Member Potters Council
>
>
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Fredrick Paget on wed 12 mar 08
>Hay Charles and Crew,
>
> In Google Images type 'sublimation printing'. This
>process is used to print in full color on unusual
>substrates like metal, ceramic, plastic, cloth. I'm
>thinking the heating element material is forgiving
>enough to make clamps for odd ceramic shapes, not just
>the 12 oz. straight white cup from China and Korea.
>Good luck and stay in there eh!
>Gary Navarre
Sorry to say, Gary but the dye sub process as lovely as the results
can be is not archival. A few months or (maybe years?) exposure and
the image will be gone. The stuff will not even stand a dishwasher.
Not good for Memorial portraits unless indoors in a dimly lit columbarium.
--
Fred Paget
Twin Dragon Studio
Mill Valley, CA, USA
fredrick@well.com
Charter Member Potters Council
Sheron Roberts on thu 13 mar 08
My sister died in a car crash in 1979, two months before her 17th
birthday. On her headstone (gravestone) is a ceramic portrait of
her taken from her last photo, her junior year class picture taken
for the yearbook. It has been there in the sunlight for 29 years
and is still its lovely original color.=20
Sheron in gently warming North Carolina
Charlie Hightower on thu 13 mar 08
Yes, sublimation printing will indeed fade.
--- Fredrick Paget wrote:
> >Hay Charles and Crew,
> >
> > In Google Images type 'sublimation printing'.
> This
> >process is used to print in full color on unusual
> >substrates like metal, ceramic, plastic, cloth. I'm
> >thinking the heating element material is forgiving
> >enough to make clamps for odd ceramic shapes, not
> just
> >the 12 oz. straight white cup from China and Korea.
> >Good luck and stay in there eh!
> >Gary Navarre
>
>
>
>
> Sorry to say, Gary but the dye sub process as lovely
> as the results
> can be is not archival. A few months or (maybe
> years?) exposure and
> the image will be gone. The stuff will not even
> stand a dishwasher.
> Not good for Memorial portraits unless indoors in a
> dimly lit columbarium.
>
> --
> Fred Paget
> Twin Dragon Studio
> Mill Valley, CA, USA
> fredrick@well.com
>
>
> Charter Member Potters Council
>
>
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Michael Wendt on fri 14 mar 08
Art Decal in Long Beach CA does full color
decals from digital photos. For this one of a
kind thing, people are willing to pay the cost.
Call them and ask. These are real fired decals.
We did over 1000 full color collector mugs
a year for 12 years for the Ford dealer here
in Lewiston so I know their quality is very
good.
Contact:
Art Decal Co
1145 Loma Ave
Long Beach, CA 90804
www.artdecalcorp.com
(562) 434-2711
Regards,
Michael Wendt
Wendt Pottery
2729 Clearwater Ave.
Lewiston, Id 83501
U.S.A.
208-746-3724
wendtpot@lewiston.com
http://www.wendtpottery.com
http://UniquePorcelainDesigns.com
Snail Scott on fri 14 mar 08
> Charles Hightower
> wrote:
>> My employer is looking for a way to do full color
>> portraits for grave
>> markers. They would have to be UV and weather
>> resistant. Right away I
>
> From: gary navarre
> In Google Images type 'sublimation printing'. This
> process is used to print in full color on unusual
> substrates like metal, ceramic, plastic, cloth.---
Beware of sublimation printing. There may be new
technology in this that I'm not aware of, but the
standard process will not survive outdoors.
The Reno, NV airport had (as many airports do) a
program to commission art for the facility. One such
commission went to a local artist who proposed a
large tile mural, a digital montage of many small
waving hands which when seen from the arrivals
area would look like several very large waving hands.
Very striking and appropriate, and popular, too. This
artist had a substantial reputation in digital media,
but no experience in ceramics. He found a company
that claimed that their decal (sublimation) process
would be permament, UV- and weather-resistant.
Well, within a year of installation (on a semi-protected
east-facing wall) the colors had bleached out the way
that such processes generally do, leaving the easy-
to-do colors (blues, greens) intact but fading the warm
tones to nothing, making all those now-greenish
waving hands look like a Martian invasion. It was a
very expensive project, and the lawsuits ran for years,
but the artist's name is still attached to that ghastly-
looking, reputation-destroying, too-expensive-to-
remove disaster.
A grave marker may not have a six-figure budget, but
emotions are likely to run even higher if the promised
results don't last. I don't know of any sublimation dye
decal processes that are truly lightfast even with UV
protective coatings - not on the time scale that a grave
marker requires. I would love to find out otherwise,
but beware, and take manufacturers' promises with a
large dose of salt unless they can demonstrate proof.
-Snail
Russel Fouts on fri 14 mar 08
Funny, the technology of printing photos of the dead on ceramic and
attaching it to the tomb of a loved one is really common here
(Europe). I don't really know how they do it.
They don't seem to fade. I've seen really old black and white ones on
graves here that look unchanged after decades of exposure to sun (if
you can call it that in Belgium).
It's a bit weird to go past a "Pompes Funebre" and see pictures of
pretty young women printed on porcelain ovals to advertise this
service. Makes me imagine that there is some 'coed strangler' loose.
Russel
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