Tony Ferguson on fri 4 apr 08
John,
I seriously don't mean to be a party pooper and I know you mean well but you providing a clip from the discovery channel violates copyright and intellectual property rights. Having gotten into the video business and production side of things I have had to learn about the laws about this to protect myself and clients and the laws are pretty clear. If you were teaching a class, the teach act would probably protect you for a specific and limited amount of time where your students could view for a course or something. Unfortunately, even though its in the name of educating us fellow ceramics artists, it is illegal my friend and I'd hate to see you get in any kind of trouble. These days as all net activity, down and uploads is logged at your ISP which our government has access to those records. They could pull those records and make your life hell if they wanted to have a reason too. Your thoughtful attempt at trying to share information in a sincere gesture by posting on
this list is also in the public domain. So, take care. Peace.
Tony
John Rodgers wrote: I captured a 4-1/2 minute video clip from the Discovery Channel that is
the most succinct video summary of slip casting that I have seen
anywhere. The film is about production slip casting, but the principles
are certainly adaptable to studio pottery. In addition to throwing on a
wheel, I also do this kind of work as well The clip has the following
elements:
Design
Modeling (this shows the use of a plaster wheel - something that few
people seem to know about, but is found in ever serious slip casting
production house where pottery is made)
Mold Making (if you view the clip - note the CASE mold that is used to
make the PRODUCTION molds.
Slip Casting
Cleaning
Glazing
Firing.
This is an excellent clip by which to get an overview of the slip
casting world.
Just another means of making a pot.
To view this, you will need to download it and play it on your computer.
I have placed this clip on my file server for downloadmg , and it will
be available for the next few days. If you wish to view it, here is how.
Copy and paste the following into your web browser address block:
FTP://1stjohn@homeftp.net
Enter UserID: Clayart
Enter Password: slipcast
IP Address: 1stjohn@homeftp.net
** the I D and Password are case sensitive.
Download the avi file titled Slipcasting 101
I you have a problem, let me know off list.
If you cannot log on, wait a bit and try again. This is a small
operation, and two many on at once an jam the works.
The clip is 222 megs so should download quickly.
Regards,
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL
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...where the sky meets the lake...
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John Rodgers on fri 4 apr 08
I captured a 4-1/2 minute video clip from the Discovery Channel that is
the most succinct video summary of slip casting that I have seen
anywhere. The film is about production slip casting, but the principles
are certainly adaptable to studio pottery. In addition to throwing on a
wheel, I also do this kind of work as well The clip has the following
elements:
Design
Modeling (this shows the use of a plaster wheel - something that few
people seem to know about, but is found in ever serious slip casting
production house where pottery is made)
Mold Making (if you view the clip - note the CASE mold that is used to
make the PRODUCTION molds.
Slip Casting
Cleaning
Glazing
Firing.
This is an excellent clip by which to get an overview of the slip
casting world.
Just another means of making a pot.
To view this, you will need to download it and play it on your computer.
I have placed this clip on my file server for downloadmg , and it will
be available for the next few days. If you wish to view it, here is how.
Copy and paste the following into your web browser address block:
FTP://1stjohn@homeftp.net
Enter UserID: Clayart
Enter Password: slipcast
IP Address: 1stjohn@homeftp.net
** the I D and Password are case sensitive.
Download the avi file titled Slipcasting 101
I you have a problem, let me know off list.
If you cannot log on, wait a bit and try again. This is a small
operation, and two many on at once an jam the works.
The clip is 222 megs so should download quickly.
Regards,
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL
John Rodgers on fri 4 apr 08
I have had to make a change in the downloading instructions for the video.
Copy and paste the following into your browser address block.
FTP://Slipcasting@1stjohn.homeftp.net
UserID: Clayart
Password: slipcast
Again, note the the ID and passwords are case sensitive.
Your comments about the content of the video would be appreciated.
Enjoy.
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL
John Rodgers wrote:
> I captured a 4-1/2 minute video clip from the Discovery Channel that is
> the most succinct video summary of slip casting that I have seen
> anywhere. The film is about production slip casting, but the principles
> are certainly adaptable to studio pottery. In addition to throwing on a
> wheel, I also do this kind of work as well The clip has the following
> elements:
>
> Design
> Modeling (this shows the use of a plaster wheel - something that few
> people seem to know about, but is found in ever serious slip casting
> production house where pottery is made)
> Mold Making (if you view the clip - note the CASE mold that is used to
> make the PRODUCTION molds.
> Slip Casting
> Cleaning
> Glazing
> Firing.
>
> This is an excellent clip by which to get an overview of the slip
> casting world.
>
> Just another means of making a pot.
>
> To view this, you will need to download it and play it on your computer.
>
> I have placed this clip on my file server for downloadmg , and it will
> be available for the next few days. If you wish to view it, here is how.
>
> Copy and paste the following into your web browser address block:
>
> FTP://1stjohn@homeftp.net
>
> Enter UserID: Clayart
> Enter Password: slipcast
> IP Address: 1stjohn@homeftp.net
>
> ** the I D and Password are case sensitive.
>
> Download the avi file titled Slipcasting 101
>
> I you have a problem, let me know off list.
>
> If you cannot log on, wait a bit and try again. This is a small
> operation, and two many on at once an jam the works.
>
> The clip is 222 megs so should download quickly.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> John Rodgers
> Chelsea, AL
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________
>
> Clayart members may send postings to: clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
> You may look at the archives for the list, post messages, change your
> subscription settings or unsubscribe/leave the list here:
> http://www.acers.org/cic/clayart/
>
> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
> melpots2@visi.com
>
>
Lois Ruben Aronow on sat 5 apr 08
I would love to see the clip. And I am pretty sure the intellectual
property laws only apply if you're selling the clip.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
> John Rodgers
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 12:59 PM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: Video - Slipcasting 101
>
> Tony Fergusons's advice is well taken.
>
> Sorry - the file access is now closed. and off line.
>
> If you wish additional info about this video clip, drop me a
> personal note.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Rodgers
> Chelsea, AL
>
> John Rodgers wrote:
> > I captured a 4-1/2 minute video clip from the Discovery
> Channel that
> > is the most succinct video summary of slip casting that I have seen
> > anywhere. The film is about production slip casting, but the
> > principles are certainly adaptable to studio pottery. In
> addition to
> > throwing on a wheel, I also do this kind of work as well
> The clip has
> > the following
> > elements:
> >
> > Design
> > Modeling (this shows the use of a plaster wheel - something
> that few
> > people seem to know about, but is found in ever serious
> slip casting
> > production house where pottery is made) Mold Making (if you
> view the
> > clip - note the CASE mold that is used to make the PRODUCTION molds.
> > Slip Casting
> > Cleaning
> > Glazing
> > Firing.
> >
> > This is an excellent clip by which to get an overview of the slip
> > casting world.
> >
> > Just another means of making a pot.
> >
> > To view this, you will need to download it and play it on
> your computer.
> >
> > I have placed this clip on my file server for downloadmg ,
> and it will
> > be available for the next few days. If you wish to view it,
> here is how.
> >
> > Copy and paste the following into your web browser address block:
> >
> > FTP://1stjohn@homeftp.net
> >
> > Enter UserID: Clayart
> > Enter Password: slipcast
> > IP Address: 1stjohn@homeftp.net
> >
> > ** the I D and Password are case sensitive.
> >
> > Download the avi file titled Slipcasting 101
> >
> > I you have a problem, let me know off list.
> >
> > If you cannot log on, wait a bit and try again. This is a small
> > operation, and two many on at once an jam the works.
> >
> > The clip is 222 megs so should download quickly.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John Rodgers
> > Chelsea, AL
> >
> >
> ______________________________________________________________________
> > ________
> >
> > Clayart members may send postings to: clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
> >
> > You may look at the archives for the list, post messages,
> change your
> > subscription settings or unsubscribe/leave the list here:
> > http://www.acers.org/cic/clayart/
> >
> > Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
> > melpots2@visi.com
> >
> >
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> ________________
> Clayart members may send postings to: clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
> You may look at the archives for the list, post messages,
> change your subscription settings or unsubscribe/leave the
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>
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> melpots2@visi.com
John Rodgers on sat 5 apr 08
Tony Fergusons's advice is well taken.
Sorry - the file access is now closed. and off line.
If you wish additional info about this video clip, drop me a personal note.
Regards,
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL
John Rodgers wrote:
> I captured a 4-1/2 minute video clip from the Discovery Channel that is
> the most succinct video summary of slip casting that I have seen
> anywhere. The film is about production slip casting, but the principles
> are certainly adaptable to studio pottery. In addition to throwing on a
> wheel, I also do this kind of work as well The clip has the following
> elements:
>
> Design
> Modeling (this shows the use of a plaster wheel - something that few
> people seem to know about, but is found in ever serious slip casting
> production house where pottery is made)
> Mold Making (if you view the clip - note the CASE mold that is used to
> make the PRODUCTION molds.
> Slip Casting
> Cleaning
> Glazing
> Firing.
>
> This is an excellent clip by which to get an overview of the slip
> casting world.
>
> Just another means of making a pot.
>
> To view this, you will need to download it and play it on your computer.
>
> I have placed this clip on my file server for downloadmg , and it will
> be available for the next few days. If you wish to view it, here is how.
>
> Copy and paste the following into your web browser address block:
>
> FTP://1stjohn@homeftp.net
>
> Enter UserID: Clayart
> Enter Password: slipcast
> IP Address: 1stjohn@homeftp.net
>
> ** the I D and Password are case sensitive.
>
> Download the avi file titled Slipcasting 101
>
> I you have a problem, let me know off list.
>
> If you cannot log on, wait a bit and try again. This is a small
> operation, and two many on at once an jam the works.
>
> The clip is 222 megs so should download quickly.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> John Rodgers
> Chelsea, AL
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________
>
> Clayart members may send postings to: clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
> You may look at the archives for the list, post messages, change your
> subscription settings or unsubscribe/leave the list here:
> http://www.acers.org/cic/clayart/
>
> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
> melpots2@visi.com
>
>
Tony Ferguson on sun 6 apr 08
Lois,
You are incorrect. Check the laws. I was merely sharing what I have learned in the last 2 years of researching everything to do with film making, editing, shooting video in public/private venues, music rights, model releases, video in general, high definition video, digital distribution rights, syndication, etc. The laws are getting even more specific and why shouldn't they? They are to protect one's intellectual property. Now whether or not you want to respect them (and the artists, musicians, producers, etc., that created them) is up to you and truly that is your own prerogative. I was just sharing what I have learned. What people do with that is up to them.
Tony
Lois Ruben Aronow wrote: I would love to see the clip. And I am pretty sure the intellectual
property laws only apply if you're selling the clip.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
> John Rodgers
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 12:59 PM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: Video - Slipcasting 101
>
> Tony Fergusons's advice is well taken.
>
> Sorry - the file access is now closed. and off line.
>
> If you wish additional info about this video clip, drop me a
> personal note.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Rodgers
> Chelsea, AL
>
> John Rodgers wrote:
> > I captured a 4-1/2 minute video clip from the Discovery
> Channel that
> > is the most succinct video summary of slip casting that I have seen
> > anywhere. The film is about production slip casting, but the
> > principles are certainly adaptable to studio pottery. In
> addition to
> > throwing on a wheel, I also do this kind of work as well
> The clip has
> > the following
> > elements:
> >
> > Design
> > Modeling (this shows the use of a plaster wheel - something
> that few
> > people seem to know about, but is found in ever serious
> slip casting
> > production house where pottery is made) Mold Making (if you
> view the
> > clip - note the CASE mold that is used to make the PRODUCTION molds.
> > Slip Casting
> > Cleaning
> > Glazing
> > Firing.
> >
> > This is an excellent clip by which to get an overview of the slip
> > casting world.
> >
> > Just another means of making a pot.
> >
> > To view this, you will need to download it and play it on
> your computer.
> >
> > I have placed this clip on my file server for downloadmg ,
> and it will
> > be available for the next few days. If you wish to view it,
> here is how.
> >
> > Copy and paste the following into your web browser address block:
> >
> > FTP://1stjohn@homeftp.net
> >
> > Enter UserID: Clayart
> > Enter Password: slipcast
> > IP Address: 1stjohn@homeftp.net
> >
> > ** the I D and Password are case sensitive.
> >
> > Download the avi file titled Slipcasting 101
> >
> > I you have a problem, let me know off list.
> >
> > If you cannot log on, wait a bit and try again. This is a small
> > operation, and two many on at once an jam the works.
> >
> > The clip is 222 megs so should download quickly.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John Rodgers
> > Chelsea, AL
> >
> >
> ______________________________________________________________________
> > ________
> >
> > Clayart members may send postings to: clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
> >
> > You may look at the archives for the list, post messages,
> change your
> > subscription settings or unsubscribe/leave the list here:
> > http://www.acers.org/cic/clayart/
> >
> > Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
> > melpots2@visi.com
> >
> >
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> ________________
> Clayart members may send postings to: clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
> You may look at the archives for the list, post messages,
> change your subscription settings or unsubscribe/leave the
> list here: http://www.acers.org/cic/clayart/
>
> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
> melpots2@visi.com
______________________________________________________________________________
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Tony Ferguson
315 N. Lake Ave. Apt 312
Duluth, MN 55806
...where the sky meets the lake...
Artist, Educator, Photographer, Film Maker, Web Meister
fergyart@yahoo.com
(218) 727-6339
http://www.tonyferguson.net
---------------------------------
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John Rodgers on sun 6 apr 08
This is always confusing to me.
I think that what you say may have at one time been the case, but no
more - at least where video or music materials are concerned. For music,
there came into being many peer-to-peer software programs like Napster,
Bearshare, Kazaa, that allowed people to "share" the music across the
internet - copies of it as it were. No sales, just free copies of the
music from one computer to another. The "Powers That Be" managed to kill
that off based on "copyright infringement". Very heavy lawsuits in court
- which the "Powers That Be" won. Same is true for video materials.
Except for the power of the dollar, I don't know how this shut-down was
accomplished, because you can go to any library, and make as many copies
of anything there as you want for personal use, or for teaching, and
that action passes muster. But not so for music outside a library - or
video.
John
Lois Ruben Aronow wrote:
> I would love to see the clip. And I am pretty sure the intellectual
> property laws only apply if you're selling the clip.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
>> John Rodgers
>> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 12:59 PM
>> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>> Subject: Re: Video - Slipcasting 101
>>
>> Tony Fergusons's advice is well taken.
>>
>> Sorry - the file access is now closed. and off line.
>>
>> If you wish additional info about this video clip, drop me a
>> personal note.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Rodgers
>> Chelsea, AL
>>
>> John Rodgers wrote:
>>
>>> I captured a 4-1/2 minute video clip from the Discovery
>>>
>> Channel that
>>
>>> is the most succinct video summary of slip casting that I have seen
>>> anywhere. The film is about production slip casting, but the
>>> principles are certainly adaptable to studio pottery. In
>>>
>> addition to
>>
>>> throwing on a wheel, I also do this kind of work as well
>>>
>> The clip has
>>
>>> the following
>>> elements:
>>>
>>> Design
>>> Modeling (this shows the use of a plaster wheel - something
>>>
>> that few
>>
>>> people seem to know about, but is found in ever serious
>>>
>> slip casting
>>
>>> production house where pottery is made) Mold Making (if you
>>>
>> view the
>>
>>> clip - note the CASE mold that is used to make the PRODUCTION molds.
>>> Slip Casting
>>> Cleaning
>>> Glazing
>>> Firing.
>>>
>>> This is an excellent clip by which to get an overview of the slip
>>> casting world.
>>>
>>> Just another means of making a pot.
>>>
>>> To view this, you will need to download it and play it on
>>>
>> your computer.
>>
>>> I have placed this clip on my file server for downloadmg ,
>>>
>> and it will
>>
>>> be available for the next few days. If you wish to view it,
>>>
>> here is how.
>>
>>> Copy and paste the following into your web browser address block:
>>>
>>> FTP://1stjohn@homeftp.net
>>>
>>> Enter UserID: Clayart
>>> Enter Password: slipcast
>>> IP Address: 1stjohn@homeftp.net
>>>
>>> ** the I D and Password are case sensitive.
>>>
>>> Download the avi file titled Slipcasting 101
>>>
>>> I you have a problem, let me know off list.
>>>
>>> If you cannot log on, wait a bit and try again. This is a small
>>> operation, and two many on at once an jam the works.
>>>
>>> The clip is 222 megs so should download quickly.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> John Rodgers
>>> Chelsea, AL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>
>>> ________
>>>
>>> Clayart members may send postings to: clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>>>
>>> You may look at the archives for the list, post messages,
>>>
>> change your
>>
>>> subscription settings or unsubscribe/leave the list here:
>>> http://www.acers.org/cic/clayart/
>>>
>>> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
>>> melpots2@visi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> ________________
>> Clayart members may send postings to: clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>>
>> You may look at the archives for the list, post messages,
>> change your subscription settings or unsubscribe/leave the
>> list here: http://www.acers.org/cic/clayart/
>>
>> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
>> melpots2@visi.com
>>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> Clayart members may send postings to: clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
> You may look at the archives for the list, post messages, change your
> subscription settings or unsubscribe/leave the list here: http://www.acers.org/cic/clayart/
>
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>
>
>
Tony Ferguson on sun 6 apr 08
John,
Can you give me some specific information on that clip? I am trying to find it here:
http://dsc.discovery.com/video/?dcitc=w99-532-ah-0036
John Rodgers wrote: This is always confusing to me.
I think that what you say may have at one time been the case, but no
more - at least where video or music materials are concerned. For music,
there came into being many peer-to-peer software programs like Napster,
Bearshare, Kazaa, that allowed people to "share" the music across the
internet - copies of it as it were. No sales, just free copies of the
music from one computer to another. The "Powers That Be" managed to kill
that off based on "copyright infringement". Very heavy lawsuits in court
- which the "Powers That Be" won. Same is true for video materials.
Except for the power of the dollar, I don't know how this shut-down was
accomplished, because you can go to any library, and make as many copies
of anything there as you want for personal use, or for teaching, and
that action passes muster. But not so for music outside a library - or
video.
John
Lois Ruben Aronow wrote:
> I would love to see the clip. And I am pretty sure the intellectual
> property laws only apply if you're selling the clip.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
>> John Rodgers
>> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 12:59 PM
>> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>> Subject: Re: Video - Slipcasting 101
>>
>> Tony Fergusons's advice is well taken.
>>
>> Sorry - the file access is now closed. and off line.
>>
>> If you wish additional info about this video clip, drop me a
>> personal note.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Rodgers
>> Chelsea, AL
>>
>> John Rodgers wrote:
>>
>>> I captured a 4-1/2 minute video clip from the Discovery
>>>
>> Channel that
>>
>>> is the most succinct video summary of slip casting that I have seen
>>> anywhere. The film is about production slip casting, but the
>>> principles are certainly adaptable to studio pottery. In
>>>
>> addition to
>>
>>> throwing on a wheel, I also do this kind of work as well
>>>
>> The clip has
>>
>>> the following
>>> elements:
>>>
>>> Design
>>> Modeling (this shows the use of a plaster wheel - something
>>>
>> that few
>>
>>> people seem to know about, but is found in ever serious
>>>
>> slip casting
>>
>>> production house where pottery is made) Mold Making (if you
>>>
>> view the
>>
>>> clip - note the CASE mold that is used to make the PRODUCTION molds.
>>> Slip Casting
>>> Cleaning
>>> Glazing
>>> Firing.
>>>
>>> This is an excellent clip by which to get an overview of the slip
>>> casting world.
>>>
>>> Just another means of making a pot.
>>>
>>> To view this, you will need to download it and play it on
>>>
>> your computer.
>>
>>> I have placed this clip on my file server for downloadmg ,
>>>
>> and it will
>>
>>> be available for the next few days. If you wish to view it,
>>>
>> here is how.
>>
>>> Copy and paste the following into your web browser address block:
>>>
>>> FTP://1stjohn@homeftp.net
>>>
>>> Enter UserID: Clayart
>>> Enter Password: slipcast
>>> IP Address: 1stjohn@homeftp.net
>>>
>>> ** the I D and Password are case sensitive.
>>>
>>> Download the avi file titled Slipcasting 101
>>>
>>> I you have a problem, let me know off list.
>>>
>>> If you cannot log on, wait a bit and try again. This is a small
>>> operation, and two many on at once an jam the works.
>>>
>>> The clip is 222 megs so should download quickly.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> John Rodgers
>>> Chelsea, AL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>
>>> ________
>>>
>>> Clayart members may send postings to: clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>>>
>>> You may look at the archives for the list, post messages,
>>>
>> change your
>>
>>> subscription settings or unsubscribe/leave the list here:
>>> http://www.acers.org/cic/clayart/
>>>
>>> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
>>> melpots2@visi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> ________________
>> Clayart members may send postings to: clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>>
>> You may look at the archives for the list, post messages,
>> change your subscription settings or unsubscribe/leave the
>> list here: http://www.acers.org/cic/clayart/
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Taylor Hendrix on sun 6 apr 08
John,
You might have no problem showing the clip to you class or perhaps in
a free studio talk at an art center. This list may not be educational
enough to satisfy fair use laws, but a case may be made. I'd defer
(like you did) to Tony's expertise until you're up to speed.
Taylor, in Rockport TX
John Rodgers on sun 6 apr 08
Tony, this was one segment in a one hour show of "How It's Made" which
aired in Discovery Channel two or three days ago. I took the link you
provided and I could not find that program listed at all.
John
Tony Ferguson wrote:
> John,
>
> Can you give me some specific information on that clip? I am trying to find it here:
>
> http://dsc.discovery.com/video/?dcitc=w99-532-ah-0036
>
>
>
> John Rodgers wrote: This is always confusing to me.
>
> I think that what you say may have at one time been the case, but no
> more - at least where video or music materials are concerned. For music,
> there came into being many peer-to-peer software programs like Napster,
> Bearshare, Kazaa, that allowed people to "share" the music across the
> internet - copies of it as it were. No sales, just free copies of the
> music from one computer to another. The "Powers That Be" managed to kill
> that off based on "copyright infringement". Very heavy lawsuits in court
> - which the "Powers That Be" won. Same is true for video materials.
> Except for the power of the dollar, I don't know how this shut-down was
> accomplished, because you can go to any library, and make as many copies
> of anything there as you want for personal use, or for teaching, and
> that action passes muster. But not so for music outside a library - or
> video.
>
> John
>
> Lois Ruben Aronow wrote:
>
>> I would love to see the clip. And I am pretty sure the intellectual
>> property laws only apply if you're selling the clip.
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
>>> John Rodgers
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 12:59 PM
>>> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>>> Subject: Re: Video - Slipcasting 101
>>>
>>> Tony Fergusons's advice is well taken.
>>>
>>> Sorry - the file access is now closed. and off line.
>>>
>>> If you wish additional info about this video clip, drop me a
>>> personal note.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> John Rodgers
>>> Chelsea, AL
>>>
>>> John Rodgers wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I captured a 4-1/2 minute video clip from the Discovery
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Channel that
>>>
>>>
>>>> is the most succinct video summary of slip casting that I have seen
>>>> anywhere. The film is about production slip casting, but the
>>>> principles are certainly adaptable to studio pottery. In
>>>>
>>>>
>>> addition to
>>>
>>>
>>>> throwing on a wheel, I also do this kind of work as well
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The clip has
>>>
>>>
>>>> the following
>>>> elements:
>>>>
>>>> Design
>>>> Modeling (this shows the use of a plaster wheel - something
>>>>
>>>>
>>> that few
>>>
>>>
>>>> people seem to know about, but is found in ever serious
>>>>
>>>>
>>> slip casting
>>>
>>>
>>>> production house where pottery is made) Mold Making (if you
>>>>
>>>>
>>> view the
>>>
>>>
>>>> clip - note the CASE mold that is used to make the PRODUCTION molds.
>>>> Slip Casting
>>>> Cleaning
>>>> Glazing
>>>> Firing.
>>>>
>>>> This is an excellent clip by which to get an overview of the slip
>>>> casting world.
>>>>
>>>> Just another means of making a pot.
>>>>
>>>> To view this, you will need to download it and play it on
>>>>
>>>>
>>> your computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have placed this clip on my file server for downloadmg ,
>>>>
>>>>
>>> and it will
>>>
>>>
>>>> be available for the next few days. If you wish to view it,
>>>>
>>>>
>>> here is how.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Copy and paste the following into your web browser address block:
>>>>
>>>> FTP://1stjohn@homeftp.net
>>>>
>>>> Enter UserID: Clayart
>>>> Enter Password: slipcast
>>>> IP Address: 1stjohn@homeftp.net
>>>>
>>>> ** the I D and Password are case sensitive.
>>>>
>>>> Download the avi file titled Slipcasting 101
>>>>
>>>> I you have a problem, let me know off list.
>>>>
>>>> If you cannot log on, wait a bit and try again. This is a small
>>>> operation, and two many on at once an jam the works.
>>>>
>>>> The clip is 222 megs so should download quickly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> John Rodgers
>>>> Chelsea, AL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Terrance Lazaroff on mon 7 apr 08
Tony;
I also tried to find it on the discovery site. If we could we would be
allowed to e-mail it to a friend. So I don't think intellectual property
is involved in this case.
I have seen this show a few times. For some reason I don't think this is
a Discovery production. How It's Made is a Canadian Production. I always
enjoy their content.
I believe in protecting intellectual property.
Terrance
Terrance Lazaroff on mon 7 apr 08
Addendum Tony;
Further to what I said. The program How It's Made was shown on the
Discovery Chanel and as someone pointed out will play again this may.
I also read the copyright regs. Here they are;
The materials available through the Discovery Sites are the property of
Discovery or its licensors, and are protected by copyright, trademark and
other intellectual property laws. You are free to display and print for
your personal, non-commercial use information you receive through the
Discovery Sites. But you may not otherwise reproduce any of the materials
without the prior written consent of the owner. You may not distribute
copies of materials found on the Discovery Sites in any form (including by
e-mail or other electronic means), without prior written permission from
the owner. Of course, you're free to encourage others to access the
information themselves on the Discovery Sites, and to tell them how to find
it
I think this is pretty clear. The last sentence tells is all. You can
send links to clips but should not copy and distribute.
Terrance
John Rodgers on mon 7 apr 08
This really opens a can of worms.
Question: Is the Discovery Channel a channel broadcast over the airwaves
- airwaves that are the property of US, the citizens. Or is it a channel
limited exclusively to cable, in which case Digital Rights Management
would most certainly apply.
There is a battle going on right now in the industry, in the courts, and
in congress over how extensive DRM is going to reach into our lives, and
if the big money boys have their way, we won't even be able to make a
zerox copy of anything and give it to a friend. Much of this debate is
about money and corporate mind-set. In the corporate mind-set, if it
were possible, even our air and water would be taken away through law,
then sold back to us by big business for profit. A good example of that
happening already is the way the government is selling off Frequency
Blocks to communications companies. Those belong to US, not government.
And companies should NOT have exclusive rights for profit taking on what
is public domain.- Same with leasing of public lands for cattle grazing
and mining. - UNLESS "we the people" receive some direct benefit. In
Canada such leasing pays for the health system there. But not here in
the US.
Sorry, all this prompted me to get on my soap box.
Rant over.
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL.
Stay tuned folks, the wave is coming.
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL
Terrance Lazaroff wrote:
> Addendum Tony;
>
> Further to what I said. The program How It's Made was shown on the
> Discovery Chanel and as someone pointed out will play again this may.
>
> I also read the copyright regs. Here they are;
>
> The materials available through the Discovery Sites are the property of
> Discovery or its licensors, and are protected by copyright, trademark and
> other intellectual property laws. You are free to display and print for
> your personal, non-commercial use information you receive through the
> Discovery Sites. But you may not otherwise reproduce any of the materials
> without the prior written consent of the owner. You may not distribute
> copies of materials found on the Discovery Sites in any form (including by
> e-mail or other electronic means), without prior written permission from
> the owner. Of course, you're free to encourage others to access the
> information themselves on the Discovery Sites, and to tell them how to find
> it
>
> I think this is pretty clear. The last sentence tells is all. You can
> send links to clips but should not copy and distribute.
>
> Terrance
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Tony Ferguson on mon 7 apr 08
Terrance,
Their copyright you site has to do with their websites not general syndication. You certainly could send links to their clips, no problemo, but posting one from video one captured off their tv is another thing. Check out UTube's policy below. You or I would not be able to post a clip from something captured from our TV on there. The rules are similar and yet different for programs that are sold and distributed via networks.
Most shows, however, are starting to post what is shown on TV for all kinds of reasons so I foresee in probably 5-8 years anything we see on tv or cable/dish will be accessible directly via the web from the network. In fact, TV's will be fully equipment with wifi for online direct download.
I emailed Discovery requesting permission. We'll see if asking for permission works in this case instead of asking for forgiveness.
If you didn't already know, check these out:
ABC
http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing?lid=ABCCOMGlobalMenu&lpos=FEP
FOX
http://www.fox.com/fod/player.htm?show=new_ams
You Tube
http://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines
Tony
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