joyce on fri 11 apr 08
Viewing Cindy Clarke and Jim Willet's lovely work on their well
put together website (meaning easy to flow through), reminded me of
a question I've meant to ask for some time.
It has to do with "art glass." I inherited a Tiffany (reproduction) lamp with
an art glass shade in the well known Tiffany style. The shade is very
large and constantly tilts the lamp base which has resulted in many
dramatic rescues just in the knick of time before it hit the desert tile floor.
The day came, predictably, when no rescuer was available and a large, very
large, chunk of art glass broke away from the rest of the shade.
Now my question" : Do any of you have any experience with firing art
glass as a decoration on a clay pot? If so, would you share any tips
about its use with clay? OR is the reproduction art glass somehow
different enough from the real thing (whatever that is) that your experience
wouldn't apply to my shade?
I have experimented with its firing, but only a couple of times. I applied it
to a (what I call, and Marta says it's ok with her) a Marta Bowl. I expected
the art glass to melt so I only took it through a ^06 bisque firing both times.
It did seem to settle into the niche I'd carved for it, but no real "melting"
seemed to happen............. so I'll go higher on this next firing.
Any ideas would be appreciated. Thank you.
Joyce
In the Mojave desert of California U.S.A. where the day was beyond glorious
...... yesterday, too........ Mojo, at age six, went to observe her first
Obedience Class at the park last night. She wasn't impressed..... but did
radiate excitement over the opportunity to smell so many
.............. doggy.......
rear ends. (SHE would say butt, but she's ....... well, "just" a
dog..... yep,
leaving the "just" out would work better, eh?)
Kate Champa on sat 12 apr 08
HI Everyone;
I use bits of glass alot on low fire stuff. Usually use smish/smashed
bits of colorful broken glasses. (I seem to be good at breaking
them...) Some glasses have their color sandwiched between clear glass
and barely have enough pigment to register, others work very well.
Usually I just sprinkle the ground, or almost ground, glass onto the
glaze when it is wet. If its a flat surface you can put it on dry
glaze as well, as long as you don't sneeze. It is fun to put larger
bits of glass on raku pots as well. Looks really good on black
stains also. Those kind of half or flattish "marbles" that flower
arrangers use are fun too. And yes, too much of it runs. I tend to
fire to 04/05.
What do you mean by "art glass". My guess is that any decoration on
the glass will burn out, or flow enough to lose its form.
Kate Champa, Rhode Island
On Apr 12, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Steve Mills wrote:
> Dear Joyce,
>
> I've used glass as an addition to both Earthenware & Stoneware.
> With the former you need to fire 04 or higher, and it's a good
> idea to have a base of white earthenware glossy glaze underneath
> it; it reflects the colour, and helps it stick to the piece. If
> applying to an outside surface, apply the glass while the glaze is
> still soft. Brush-on glazes are ideal for this due to their slow
> drying qualities.
> With Stoneware the glaze base is not so essential, but it still
> helps. In that area I use coloured glass, often copper green, and
> get some lovely runs with red to pink blushes in reduction, BUT
> make sure you have a sacraficial "catch plate" underneath or you'll
> be grinding off shelf bits as well as the occasional blobs!
>
> Steve
> Bath
> UK
>
>
>
> joyce wrote:
>
>
> Now my question" : Do any of you have any experience with firing art
> glass as a decoration on a clay pot? If so, would you share any tips
> about its use with clay? OR is the reproduction art glass somehow
> different enough from the real thing (whatever that is) that your
> experience
> wouldn't apply to my shade?
>
> I have experimented with its firing, but only a couple of times. I
> applied it
> to a (what I call, and Marta says it's ok with her) a Marta Bowl. I
> expected
> the art glass to melt so I only took it through a ^06 bisque firing
> both times.
> It did seem to settle into the niche I'd carved for it, but no real
> "melting"
> seemed to happen............. so I'll go higher on this next firing.
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated. Thank you.
>
> Joyce
> In the Mojave desert of California U.S.A. where the day was beyond
> glorious
> ....... yesterday, too........ Mojo, at age six, went to observe
> her first
> Obedience Class at the park last night. She wasn't impressed.....
> but did
> radiate excitement over the opportunity to smell so many
> ............... doggy.......
> rear ends. (SHE would say butt, but she's ....... well, "just" a
> dog..... yep,
> leaving the "just" out would work better, eh?)
>
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Steve Mills on sat 12 apr 08
Dear Joyce,
I've used glass as an addition to both Earthenware & Stoneware.
With the former you need to fire 04 or higher, and it's a good idea to have a base of white earthenware glossy glaze underneath it; it reflects the colour, and helps it stick to the piece. If applying to an outside surface, apply the glass while the glaze is still soft. Brush-on glazes are ideal for this due to their slow drying qualities.
With Stoneware the glaze base is not so essential, but it still helps. In that area I use coloured glass, often copper green, and get some lovely runs with red to pink blushes in reduction, BUT make sure you have a sacraficial "catch plate" underneath or you'll be grinding off shelf bits as well as the occasional blobs!
Steve
Bath
UK
joyce wrote:
Now my question" : Do any of you have any experience with firing art
glass as a decoration on a clay pot? If so, would you share any tips
about its use with clay? OR is the reproduction art glass somehow
different enough from the real thing (whatever that is) that your experience
wouldn't apply to my shade?
I have experimented with its firing, but only a couple of times. I applied it
to a (what I call, and Marta says it's ok with her) a Marta Bowl. I expected
the art glass to melt so I only took it through a ^06 bisque firing both times.
It did seem to settle into the niche I'd carved for it, but no real "melting"
seemed to happen............. so I'll go higher on this next firing.
Any ideas would be appreciated. Thank you.
Joyce
In the Mojave desert of California U.S.A. where the day was beyond glorious
....... yesterday, too........ Mojo, at age six, went to observe her first
Obedience Class at the park last night. She wasn't impressed..... but did
radiate excitement over the opportunity to smell so many
............... doggy.......
rear ends. (SHE would say butt, but she's ....... well, "just" a
dog..... yep,
leaving the "just" out would work better, eh?)
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Jim Willett on sat 12 apr 08
Hi Joyce,
First of all thanks for the compliment on our web site! We have
experimented with glass both on flat and vertical surfaces. As has been
mentioned it does tend to want to run away on a vertical surface, and on a
flat surface it can be prone to pin holes . We have added it to the flat
portion of a couple of plates which have gone through the household
kitchen cycle many times, and other than being very prone to scratching it
has proved durable. A little goes a long way! You can see an example I
just put up on the website at
http://www.outofthefirestudio.com/pots_new.html
Have fun!
Jim and Cindy
Out of the Fire Studio
Edmonton
http://www.outofthefirestudio.com
>
>
>joyce wrote:
>
>
>Now my question" : Do any of you have any experience with firing art
>glass as a decoration on a clay pot? If so, would you share any tips
>about its use with clay? OR is the reproduction art glass somehow
>different enough from the real thing (whatever that is) that your
experience
>wouldn't apply to my shade?
>
>I have experimented with its firing, but only a couple of times. I
applied it
>to a (what I call, and Marta says it's ok with her) a Marta Bowl. I
expected
>the art glass to melt so I only took it through a ^06 bisque firing both
times.
>It did seem to settle into the niche I'd carved for it, but no
real "melting"
>seemed to happen............. so I'll go higher on this next firing.
>
>Any ideas would be appreciated. Thank you.
>
>Joyce
Donna Kat on sun 13 apr 08
http://www.outofthefirestudio.com/pots_new.html
You have a lovely bowl on your site that you say will not go into production
"Red glaze test over "Prairies" base on white clay small bowl Nov. 9, 2007.
Not a keeper. Probably won't see production!"
May I ask what these two glazes are and why you don't like them?
Donna
Jim Willett on sun 13 apr 08
Hi Joyce and group,
I added a pic on the pots new page:
http://www.outofthefirestudio.com/pots_new.html ,
on our site of a flat tray with the glass fired into the glaze at cone 6
as well. If you look closely you can see the bit of pin holing I was
talking about but as far as losing colour, etc, if your art glass is
coloured all the way through, not painted on, then I would expect you
would be able to get some really nice results.
Jim WIllett
Out of the Fire Studio
http://www.outofthefirestudio.com
Jim Willett on mon 14 apr 08
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:20:01 -0500, Donna Kat
wrote:
>http://www.outofthefirestudio.com/pots_new.html
>
>You have a lovely bowl on your site that you say will not go into
production
>
>"Red glaze test over "Prairies" base on white clay small bowl Nov. 9,
2007.
>Not a keeper. Probably won't see production!"
>
>May I ask what these two glazes are and why you don't like them?
>
>Donna
>
Hello Donna,
What is a lovely glaze or an not so lovely glaze is a personal
preference. The pinky yellow areas of this glaze makes me think of a
nasty burn after an infection has set in. They are both glazes we use in
production, just not together ever again. That is the fun thing about
pottery, we all have very different ideas of what makes a nice or good pot.
Cindy
Out of the Fire Studio
http://www.outofthefirestudio.com
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