David Woof on tue 15 apr 08
Yes, you go Fred Parker! Well said, swear words and all. You were a new=
bie=20
with questions we were happy to answer not so many pots and firings ago=20
and it was a pleasure to watch you take it and run. I like your level head=
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inteligent and non pretentious manner.=20
Hope I meet you in person some day soon.
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And please everyone, don't be put off by any of those of whom Fred speaks. =
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Clayart is a small pond albeit a good one in the largness of the clay world=
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a few small fish from out there from time to time aspire to the opportunity=
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be seen as bigger fish in our little pond with a few quotes from past perci=
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authorities and historical commentary. =20
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It is all smoke and mirrors and what is on sale is perception.
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Let me say here and once more, there are some proven experts in their field=
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here on Clayart that have my sincere appreciation and respect. They also ar=
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not clammoring for the top seat in the house. =20
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Every generation of artists hashes out these same issues but the really=20
great minds grew weary of this sophmorish exercise at the student union=20
or around 3 Am camp fires at Bareass Beach in undergrad school and got=20
on with the business of making art, and inquiry, and pushing their creative=
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intelect into yet uncharted seas. Some publish and some just quietly pot=20
away enjoying a quieter but rewarding noble life. =20
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We know who these folks are, and I say "folks" with respect for the down to=
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earth humility they display in the manner they present their discoveries,=20
convictions, the way they greet you and live their life. Most of them=20
do not post to Clayart, although if they did, their voices of intelect and=
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authority would be recognized before ever we saw their names.
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I won't rehash Fred's words, I just wish to second the motion and invite=20
the lurkers and silent newbies to give voice too. What is burning in your=
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heart regarding clay and the business of art?=20
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What do you wish to know or see? What have you discovered that you=20
wish to share?
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It's always two way learning. The teacher many times learns more than the=20
student because we must think about what we know and how to present it=20
effectively and this process leads to new thoughts and discoveries. I like=
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hear someone say, "my student got me thinking," or "I learned this from one=
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my students".
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There is room for us all and we were all, or are, sophmores at some=20
time or another. Good and discoveries can come of that too. If one hasn'=
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yet been exposed to some of the historical/critical thinking or material, l=
isten up,=20
it will be part of the foundation one can build on.
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Just don't get stuck there making some long dead persons pots and spouting=
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long dead words as if they were your own,
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Wessel Gansfort (1419-1489) "We know only as much as we ask"
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Love
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David
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David Woof Studio
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John Britt on tue 15 apr 08
Well said.
Rock on Fred!
Floating Blue rules!
John Britt
Fred Parker on tue 15 apr 08
I have noticed a few references to the basic, annoying pottery questions
showing up on ClayArt to frustrate those wishing to be engaged in higher
philosophic endeavors. Inquiries about floating blue or perhaps how best
to lubricate one's bat pins seems to get into the buttcracks of the
illuminati, nobly bent on quests for more lofty epiphanies.
I also note a quiet lamentation that ClayArt seems -- at times -- to drift
from the clay community it once was toward the predictable internet
discussion group destination of insider cliques, flamers and generally
self-absorbed assholes.
Duh!
I think it might help to remember that ClayArt is not your college class
in art school. Everyone didn't enroll at the same time; nor is everyone
majoring in the same thing.
In fact, ClayArt is a continuum of as many bodies of experience and
interests as there are participants. Newbies enrich the landscape.
Masters ennoble it. All those in between remember when they were newbies;
and each dreams, at some level, of becoming a master. All those in
between are different distances from newbie and master.
Floating Blue is at the same time an absolute cure for insomnia and an
amphetamine. It stifles some and excites others, depending on their place
on the continuum. Today the newbie is eager to know how to fire Floating
Blue. Tomorrow that newbie is a potter who will debate craft versus art.
Someday, some of those newbies will be admired potters or maybe
influential teachers. This is what makes ClayArt worthwhile.
If the illuminati ever take over ClayArt and intimidate the newbies back
into their basements or the Archives ClayArt will end soon thereafter.
Fred Parker
Steve Slatin on wed 16 apr 08
Fred -- Take heed! The message below
is the tangible manifestation of the
silence through which Lee suffers.
If silence can generate a message
of that length and complexity, imagine
what may come next should you offend
him again!
(Yes, I know he misread your message
and confused your comment about what
ClayArt could become with what he
thinks you believe ClayArt already is,
but I just couldn't help myself. Back
into character now.)
You have been warned!
Sternly -- Steve Slatin
Lee wrote:
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Fred Parker wrote:
> I have noticed a few references to the basic, annoying pottery questions
> showing up on ClayArt to frustrate those wishing to be engaged in higher
> philosophic endeavors. Inquiries about floating blue or perhaps how best
> to lubricate one's bat pins seems to get into the buttcracks of the
> illuminati, nobly bent on quests for more lofty epiphanies.
Yes Fred. We silently listen to the request for the thousandth time,
without complaint.
> I also note a quiet lamentation that ClayArt seems -- at times -- to drift
> from the clay community it once was toward the predictable internet
> discussion group destination of insider cliques, flamers and generally
> self-absorbed assholes.
*Sigh* Fred. Just because you cannot understand something
does not mean we all have to get down in the dirt with you. It is
astounding the insults folks throw around whe they are safe behind
their keyboards. It is none too brave.
>
> If the illuminati ever take over ClayArt and intimidate the newbies back
> into their basements or the Archives ClayArt will end soon thereafter.
>
You have already Fred.
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Lee on wed 16 apr 08
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:16 PM, David Woof wrote:
>
> Just don't get stuck there making some long dead persons pots and spouting
> long dead words as if they were your own,
>
> Wessel Gansfort (1419-1489) "We know only as much as we ask"
Hum. I suppose over 500 years isn't long in Chinese or Egyptian history.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that
can be counted counts." --(Sign hanging in Einstein's office at
Princeton)
Lee on wed 16 apr 08
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Fred Parker wrote:
> I have noticed a few references to the basic, annoying pottery questions
> showing up on ClayArt to frustrate those wishing to be engaged in higher
> philosophic endeavors. Inquiries about floating blue or perhaps how best
> to lubricate one's bat pins seems to get into the buttcracks of the
> illuminati, nobly bent on quests for more lofty epiphanies.
Yes Fred. We silently listen to the request for the thousandth time,
without complaint.
> I also note a quiet lamentation that ClayArt seems -- at times -- to drift
> from the clay community it once was toward the predictable internet
> discussion group destination of insider cliques, flamers and generally
> self-absorbed assholes.
*Sigh* Fred. Just because you cannot understand something
does not mean we all have to get down in the dirt with you. It is
astounding the insults folks throw around whe they are safe behind
their keyboards. It is none too brave.
>
> If the illuminati ever take over ClayArt and intimidate the newbies back
> into their basements or the Archives ClayArt will end soon thereafter.
>
You have already Fred.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that
can be counted counts." --(Sign hanging in Einstein's office at
Princeton)
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