gary navarre on mon 26 may 08
Hay there Raphael or is it David,,, and Crew,
Well if my experience is of any value CCS and South
East Michigan might not be the best place to start.
John Glick is probably the only clay success story to
come out of the Motor City. I got part of my early
clay education from Jack Foster who developed CCS's
clay program when it was The Art School of the Detroit
Society of Arts and Crafts and I'm still trying to
figure out "...the business side of being a
professional craftsman.". It's pretty simple to take
classes in marketing if your friend has a knack for
pottery and Wayne State is right next door. The
problem develops if your friend is more artist than
professional business/craftsman. When I started out
selling pots on a blanket on the sidewalk of some West
Jefferson Ave. art show there were only a couple of
dozen potters in Michigan and the idea of making a
professional living was considered madness by most
vocational counselors. We've come a long way since
then, eh, it's as easy as pie to follow the formula
for success. The bottom line is do you like selling?
Do you like yacking with the customer even if they
don't buy something. My first job in retail was
selling newspapers at Northland Shopping center on
Saturday afternoon when I was 13, and I'm still doin
retail today, although most of this stuff sells itself
and I didn't manufacture it. Has you ever worked
production in a factory? My favorite method of getting
factory work was the temporary agent. Need to
experience doing the same thing over and over and over
until you get past hating it. And the age old question
is how much money do you want to make from clay? You
might be better off selling clay instead of pots... at
least that's what J.T. Abernathy told me. You might
even be better off studying abroad. Good luck partner
and stay in there eh!
--- David Davidov wrote:
> - Hello everyone,
>
> I am a recent member of clayart and I am seeking
> advise for a friend.
>
> My friend wants to major in ceramics. The problem is
> that I don't know of many colleges that offer an
> excellent curriculum in ceramics, a knowledgeable
> faculty, as well as classes explaining the business
> side of being a professional craftsman.
>
> Although she has considered attending the College
> for Creative Studies in Detroit, Michigan, which is
> a fine institution, I still would like to offer her
> more options.
>
> If this information is of any value, my friend has
> studied with Robert Piepenburg, a specialist in raku
> pottery, at Oakland Community College.
>
> Colleges with an excellent BFA and/or MFA is
> appreciated. Thank you for your help.
>
> - Raphael
Gary Navarre
Navarre Pottery
Navarre Enterprises
Norway, Michigan, USA
http://public.fotki.com/GindaUP/
http://www.youtube.com/GindaUP
David Davidov on mon 26 may 08
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- Hello everyone,
I am a recent member of clayart and I am seeking advise for a friend.
My friend wants to major in ceramics. The problem is that I don't know of many colleges that offer an excellent curriculum in ceramics, a knowledgeable faculty, as well as classes explaining the business side of being a professional craftsman.
Although she has considered attending the College for Creative Studies in Detroit, Michigan, which is a fine institution, I still would like to offer her more options.
If this information is of any value, my friend has studied with Robert Piepenburg, a specialist in raku pottery, at Oakland Community College.
Colleges with an excellent BFA and/or MFA is appreciated. Thank you for your help.
- Raphael
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- Hello everyone,
I am a recent member of clayart and I am seeking advise for a friend.
My friend wants to major in ceramics. The problem is that I don't know of many colleges that offer an excellent curriculum in ceramics, a knowledgeable faculty, as well as classes explaining the business side of being a professional craftsman.
Although she has considered attending the College for Creative Studies in Detroit, Michigan, which is a fine institution, I still would like to offer her more options. If this information is of any value, my friend has studied with Robert Piepenburg, a specialist in raku pottery, at Oakland Community College. Colleges with an excellent BFA and/or MFA is appreciated. Thank you for your help.
- Raphael
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Penland (http://www.penland.org/) and Tennessee Tech's Appalachian =
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will chime in on the latter.=20
Jeff
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Although she has considered attending the College for Creative Studies =
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If this information is of any value, my friend has studied with Robert =
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Colleges with an excellent BFA and/or MFA is appreciated. Thank you =
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- Raphael
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Lee Love on tue 27 may 08
David,
I would suggest that your friend check out the University of
Minnesota. The new Warren MacKenzie Ceramic Studios at the Regis Art
Center are incredible. Makes me want to go back to school!
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
http://groups.google.com/group/ClayCraft
--
Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"We are such stuff / As dreams are made on, and our little life / Is
rounded with a sleep."
--PROSPERO Tempest Shakespeare
Eric Hansen on fri 30 may 08
I'll add my 2 cents worth.
If you want to be a musician, you go to Julliard. Or you make it your first choice. etc. etc. Harvard Business School for business. If you want to be a internationally recognized rock star artist, you have to move to NYC.
"I want to be a potter" isn't specific enough. There are very few really good schools that will inspire a potter to become "highly artistic" but it helps a lot if that is what you're trying to do.
So what it needs to be is a choice between the best art school that has a program in clay sympathetic to your needs or living in Detroit. If you want to live in Detroit and study clay there anyhow - - the degree might help, but you really need to draw from all the available sources, community colleges, craft centers, art centers, clay clubs, art guilds, as well as the college.
But if you really want BFA & MFA you have to go to THE school that can give you exactly what you need, BUT first you have to discover what that is.
I was given a list of schools that I thought might be appropriate for me, where I could get lots of hands-on experience with say, wood-firing. So for my MFA Iowa might be a good place to go. But now I'm pretty happy with my electric kiln so that doesn't make much sense.
I strongly suggest either becoming a person making and selling pots, or an artist who lives, works and communes with other artists regardless of the media they work in. Art school is just a beginning to that, Probably 1% of art school graduates go on to do what it was the studied.
H A N S E N
H A M B O N E
--- On Tue, 5/27/08, gary navarre wrote:
> From: gary navarre
> Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Higher Education in Ceramics
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2008, 5:19 AM
> Hay there Raphael or is it David,,, and Crew,
>
> Well if my experience is of any value CCS and South
> East Michigan might not be the best place to start.
> John Glick is probably the only clay success story to
> come out of the Motor City. I got part of my early
> clay education from Jack Foster who developed CCS's
> clay program when it was The Art School of the Detroit
> Society of Arts and Crafts and I'm still trying to
> figure out "...the business side of being a
> professional craftsman.". It's pretty simple to
> take
> classes in marketing if your friend has a knack for
> pottery and Wayne State is right next door. The
> problem develops if your friend is more artist than
> professional business/craftsman. When I started out
> selling pots on a blanket on the sidewalk of some West
> Jefferson Ave. art show there were only a couple of
> dozen potters in Michigan and the idea of making a
> professional living was considered madness by most
> vocational counselors. We've come a long way since
> then, eh, it's as easy as pie to follow the formula
> for success. The bottom line is do you like selling?
> Do you like yacking with the customer even if they
> don't buy something. My first job in retail was
> selling newspapers at Northland Shopping center on
> Saturday afternoon when I was 13, and I'm still doin
> retail today, although most of this stuff sells itself
> and I didn't manufacture it. Has you ever worked
> production in a factory? My favorite method of getting
> factory work was the temporary agent. Need to
> experience doing the same thing over and over and over
> until you get past hating it. And the age old question
> is how much money do you want to make from clay? You
> might be better off selling clay instead of pots... at
> least that's what J.T. Abernathy told me. You might
> even be better off studying abroad. Good luck partner
> and stay in there eh!
>
> --- David Davidov wrote:
>
> > - Hello everyone,
> >
> > I am a recent member of clayart and I am seeking
> > advise for a friend.
> >
> > My friend wants to major in ceramics. The problem is
> > that I don't know of many colleges that offer an
> > excellent curriculum in ceramics, a knowledgeable
> > faculty, as well as classes explaining the business
> > side of being a professional craftsman.
> >
> > Although she has considered attending the College
> > for Creative Studies in Detroit, Michigan, which is
> > a fine institution, I still would like to offer her
> > more options.
> >
> > If this information is of any value, my friend has
> > studied with Robert Piepenburg, a specialist in raku
> > pottery, at Oakland Community College.
> >
> > Colleges with an excellent BFA and/or MFA is
> > appreciated. Thank you for your help.
> >
> > - Raphael
>
>
> Gary Navarre
> Navarre Pottery
> Navarre Enterprises
> Norway, Michigan, USA
> http://public.fotki.com/GindaUP/
> http://www.youtube.com/GindaUP
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