Square Peg Arts on mon 2 jun 08
Hi folks...
Hoping some of you might have some suggestions for me on how to throw =
this shape:
http://www.dogcagesuk.co.uk/images/puppy-bowl.jpg
Not sure if it can be done, but thought I would ask.
BTW - had a fun day in the studio Saturday. I took my SiL, my 12 yo =
niece and my SiL's good friend and her 6yo daughter down with me.
My niece is terribly talented and creative, and has been wanting to come =
play in clay. My SiL's friend and her daughter are currently in the =
process of leaving a long-term abusive marriage and are actually in =
hiding right now. Their lives have been really stressful and isolated, =
in fact, I bought some take-and-bake pizzas and fixin's, and the little =
girl had never "decorated" her own pizza before.
Anyway, I gave everyone some clay, instructions on using the slab roller =
and other tools and let them have at it while I threw some pots.
After a short amount of time it got very quiet as everyone really got =
into their creations. It was really great - everyone just doing their =
thing, and you could see the little girl really relax and just have fun. =
She made some really charming things.
Anyway, thanks everyone for any suggestions!
Cathi Newlin, Angels Camp, Ca
www.SquarePegArts.com
yes, that's a straw in my beer.
Champa Kate on mon 2 jun 08
Hi Cathi;
Sounds like a good day was had by all.
You could throw the two shapes separately, then turn the inner one
over and attach it. Only issue-- you would have to make a series of
holes around the rim of the inner shape -- might look cool anyway --
so it didn't sail off into the great beyond of the kiln's innards
when fired. If you made the holes far enough up on the inner shape
it shouldn't affect its containing of puppy food or water.
Why is it called a "puppy bowl" anyway?
Kate Champa, R.I.
On Jun 2, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Square Peg Arts wrote:
> Hi folks...
> Hoping some of you might have some suggestions for me on how to
> throw this shape:
> http://www.dogcagesuk.co.uk/images/puppy-bowl.jpg
>
William & Susan Schran User on mon 2 jun 08
On 6/2/08 12:40 PM, "Square Peg Arts" wrote:
> Hoping some of you might have some suggestions for me on how to throw this
> shape:
> http://www.dogcagesuk.co.uk/images/puppy-bowl.jpg
>
> Not sure if it can be done, but thought I would ask.
Sure you can throw it, same way you'd start throwing a hollow ring.
Open a wide centered ball all the way to the wheel head out to the diameter
of the inner shape.
Split the ring of clay you've created, opening to create two walls.
Pull the inner one up, close together and shape to desired shape.
Pull up outer wall for the outer wall of the bowl.
Does that make sense?
Bill
--
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David Berg on mon 2 jun 08
Look at page 29 of the January/February Clay Times.
ClayTimes Volume 14 No. 1, page 29 where Bill Van
Gilder gives a lesson on throwing a pedestal cake plate.
If you close up the pedestal, then it would make a form
just like the one in your picture.
The form in your picture is like a chip-n-dip but with
a closed up center dip bowl.
David
David Berg
dberg2@comcast.net
http://bergstoneware.com/
On Jun 2, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Square Peg Arts wrote:
> Hi folks...
> Hoping some of you might have some suggestions for me on how to
> throw this shape:
> http://www.dogcagesuk.co.uk/images/puppy-bowl.jpg
>
Pottery by John on mon 2 jun 08
Cathi asked: Hoping some of you might have some suggestions for me on how
to throw this shape:
Cathi,
It looks a lot like a double wall vessel without completing the joining back
of the outer wall to the inner; which frankly makes it easier to throw. So,
rather than me describing it, I suggest the following YouTube videos.
Our own Tim See : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GJlM9NkBbA
and another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hho_JfUXRCM
if you are very patient: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N7-nza7K2c and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9_in6TQc2A&feature=related
Once you see any of these you will probably get the idea lightbulb to come
on. Good luck with your project.
John Lowes
Sandy Springs, GA
Jeanette Harris on mon 2 jun 08
>Hi folks...
>Hoping some of you might have some suggestions for me on how to
>throw this shape:
>http://www.dogcagesuk.co.uk/images/puppy-bowl.jpg
>
Piece o cake.
Looks like about 4-5 lbs. of clay, centered and as wide as you want
the bowl. Make it about 2-3 inches thick.
Use your thumb(s) and make a hole in the center, gently undercut with
your thumb and use your bent index finger to bring it up rather
thickly.
Work halfway toward the outter edge and gently raise the center into
the cone shape, leaving enough thickness to close the top making the
bulbous knob shape and close the top leveling with a rib. Probably be
a good idea to make a needlehole opening in the center after it gets
to soft leather stage. (Release the trapped air. You should hear a
soft hiss.)
Now the rim: Take the other half of the bowl part and work it to the
outside and bring up the rim.
Let it harden before removing from the batt. Or, if you have released
the air, it can dry on the batt and will come off easily. The bonus
to this is the bottom will be completely smooth. Just a bit of sponge
work to soften the edges. Check the vent hole and be sure it's still
open after glazing. The bottom can be waxed and sat flat on the
kiln-washed shelf.
I suspect it's called a puppy bowl because it's harder to tip over.
Maybe you could glue a weight in the knob part.
Cheers,
Jeanette
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Jeanette Harris
Washingzona
Square Peg Arts on mon 2 jun 08
Thanks Kate and everyone else for the suggestions.
I guess I just needed a jump-start as once I read everyone's instructions,
it became really obvious how to do this.
The example I used was a puppy bowl, so called because the "island" in the
middle makes the bowl like a trough and you can feed a whole litter of
little ones without they're tramping through the food.
Its typically used when weaning a litter.
*My* thought was that something of that shape would maybe make a nice bird
feeder or birdbath, with a hole in the center "island" through which twine
or wire could go for hanging.
It might be too unbalanced - I don't know - but I thought I would see what I
could see.
The holes that Kate suggested would be fine if it were a bird feeder.
I don't think it would be good for an actual puppy feeder as I am not sure
how well it would hold up under the constant and increasingly enthusiastic
jostling of, say, an entire litter of boxer pups!
Thanks everyone, once again...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Champa Kate"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Suggestions on Throwing this Shape
> Hi Cathi;
>
> Sounds like a good day was had by all.
> You could throw the two shapes separately, then turn the inner one
> over and attach it. Only issue-- you would have to make a series of
> holes around the rim of the inner shape -- might look cool anyway --
> so it didn't sail off into the great beyond of the kiln's innards
> when fired. If you made the holes far enough up on the inner shape
> it shouldn't affect its containing of puppy food or water.
>
> Why is it called a "puppy bowl" anyway?
>
> Kate Champa, R.I.
> On Jun 2, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Square Peg Arts wrote:
>
>> Hi folks...
>> Hoping some of you might have some suggestions for me on how to
>> throw this shape:
>> http://www.dogcagesuk.co.uk/images/puppy-bowl.jpg
>>
>
Cathi Newlin, Angels Camp, Ca
www.SquarePegArts.com
yes, that's a straw in my beer.
Randall Moody on mon 2 jun 08
You could throw it in two parts. One bowl and one dish, then attach
them. Or you could throw them the same as you would a lemons squeezer.
Open the first hole off center, pull up the outside wall. then open
the center...umm center hole, pull that wall up and close the center
form. Shape it to your liking. There may be a youtube video outlining
this.
--
Randall in Atlanta
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Square Peg Arts
wrote:
> Hi folks...
> Hoping some of you might have some suggestions for me on how to throw this shape:
> http://www.dogcagesuk.co.uk/images/puppy-bowl.jpg
>
Mike on tue 3 jun 08
Couldn't this be thrown upside down off the hump? It looks an awful lot
like one of the 'inset' teapot lids which can also be thrown that way.
If you're handy with your cutoff wire, it would require very minimal
trimming. And you could have a lot of control over the weight by the
amount of clay you choose to open with your thumb at the outset.
Mike
in Taku, Japan
www.karatsupots.com
karatsupots.etsy.com
karatsupots.blogspot.com
blogs.yahoo.co.jp/karatsupots
Square Peg Arts ????????:
> Hi folks...
> Hoping some of you might have some suggestions for me on how to throw this shape:
> http://www.dogcagesuk.co.uk/images/puppy-bowl.jpg
>
> Not sure if it can be done, but thought I would ask.
>
> BTW - had a fun day in the studio Saturday. I took my SiL, my 12 yo niece and my SiL's good friend and her 6yo daughter down with me.
> My niece is terribly talented and creative, and has been wanting to come play in clay. My SiL's friend and her daughter are currently in the process of leaving a long-term abusive marriage and are actually in hiding right now. Their lives have been really stressful and isolated, in fact, I bought some take-and-bake pizzas and fixin's, and the little girl had never "decorated" her own pizza before.
>
> Anyway, I gave everyone some clay, instructions on using the slab roller and other tools and let them have at it while I threw some pots.
> After a short amount of time it got very quiet as everyone really got into their creations. It was really great - everyone just doing their thing, and you could see the little girl really relax and just have fun. She made some really charming things.
>
> Anyway, thanks everyone for any suggestions!
>
>
> Cathi Newlin, Angels Camp, Ca
> www.SquarePegArts.com
> yes, that's a straw in my beer.
>
>
Jeanette Harris on tue 3 jun 08
>The example I used was a puppy bowl, so called because the "island" in the
>middle makes the bowl like a trough and you can feed a whole litter of
>little ones without they're tramping through the food.
>Its typically used when weaning a litter.
I thought of a chicken or baby chick waterer. Same reason on the
josseling--keeps baby chicks from downing and of course it would be
shallower.
What if
You hung it using two holes and wires for stability?
Or thread a dowel through side holes and hang it using wire at the
ends of the dowel?
Would make a place for the birds to perch.
Or used the center hole to screw it down to a sturdy pole?
(thumbscrew for ease of removing and cleaning)
>*My* thought was that something of that shape would maybe make a nice bird
>feeder or birdbath, with a hole in the center "island" through which twine
>or wire could go for hanging.
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Jeanette Harris
Washingzona
Duff bogen on tue 3 jun 08
Square Peg
What's the function of this shape? Does the bump go over a stake so the pot doesnt slide around or is it a self watering device?
Here's what I'd do-
Open the clay off-center leaving a knob in the middle
and moving the wall out to set up throwing the bowl
Open the knob to the wheel head and throw the cone
Finish throwing the bowl
DRB
Seattle
Square Peg Arts wrote:
Hi folks...
Hoping some of you might have some suggestions for me on how to throw this shape:
http://www.dogcagesuk.co.uk/images/puppy-bowl.jpg
Not sure if it can be done, but thought I would ask.
BTW - had a fun day in the studio Saturday. I took my SiL, my 12 yo niece and my SiL's good friend and her 6yo daughter down with me.
My niece is terribly talented and creative, and has been wanting to come play in clay. My SiL's friend and her daughter are currently in the process of leaving a long-term abusive marriage and are actually in hiding right now. Their lives have been really stressful and isolated, in fact, I bought some take-and-bake pizzas and fixin's, and the little girl had never "decorated" her own pizza before.
Anyway, I gave everyone some clay, instructions on using the slab roller and other tools and let them have at it while I threw some pots.
After a short amount of time it got very quiet as everyone really got into their creations. It was really great - everyone just doing their thing, and you could see the little girl really relax and just have fun. She made some really charming things.
Anyway, thanks everyone for any suggestions!
Cathi Newlin, Angels Camp, Ca
www.SquarePegArts.com
yes, that's a straw in my beer.
Square Peg Arts on tue 3 jun 08
Hi Duff, thanks for the reply.
In my version, there will be a hole in center "hump" and I am envisioning a
knotted rope/twine threaded up through it from which to hang the
feeder/bath.
I managed to throw a prototype and will need to fire it and get some
volunteer birds to kick the tires as it were.
I will keep you all posted...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duff bogen"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Suggestions on Throwing this Shape
> Square Peg
> What's the function of this shape? Does the bump go over a stake so the
> pot doesnt slide around or is it a self watering device?
> Here's what I'd do-
> Open the clay off-center leaving a knob in the middle
> and moving the wall out to set up throwing the bowl
> Open the knob to the wheel head and throw the cone
> Finish throwing the bowl
> DRB
> Seattle
> Square Peg Arts wrote:
> Hi folks...
> Hoping some of you might have some suggestions for me on how to throw this
> shape:
> http://www.dogcagesuk.co.uk/images/puppy-bowl.jpg
>
> Not sure if it can be done, but thought I would ask.
>
> BTW - had a fun day in the studio Saturday. I took my SiL, my 12 yo niece
> and my SiL's good friend and her 6yo daughter down with me.
> My niece is terribly talented and creative, and has been wanting to come
> play in clay. My SiL's friend and her daughter are currently in the
> process of leaving a long-term abusive marriage and are actually in hiding
> right now. Their lives have been really stressful and isolated, in fact, I
> bought some take-and-bake pizzas and fixin's, and the little girl had
> never "decorated" her own pizza before.
>
> Anyway, I gave everyone some clay, instructions on using the slab roller
> and other tools and let them have at it while I threw some pots.
> After a short amount of time it got very quiet as everyone really got into
> their creations. It was really great - everyone just doing their thing,
> and you could see the little girl really relax and just have fun. She made
> some really charming things.
>
> Anyway, thanks everyone for any suggestions!
>
>
> Cathi Newlin, Angels Camp, Ca
> www.SquarePegArts.com
> yes, that's a straw in my beer.
>
Cathi Newlin, Angels Camp, Ca
www.SquarePegArts.com
yes, that's a straw in my beer.
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