Kelly Savino on wed 11 jun 08
I have been printing the posts and good advice from all who wrote me,
and will continue to do so, making a nice fat file to peruse. Soon I
will add pages of refractory brick prices and slab estimates and burner
costs.
I plan to build on the shores of Wolf Lake in the Irish Hills. There is
a sheltered little yard behind my parents' boat house. They have been
needing to have a cement boat ramp repoured down there, and will likely
split the cost if I have a slab poured for the kiln. Gary, it's probably
too wet down there to do gravel, at least seasonally. But thanks for
that bit of info! It worked for my wood fired bread oven...
They also have a big propane tank on the hill that provides heat for the
cottage. I will likely get my tanks form the same company.
There is also an endless supply of firewood, now that my folks winter in
Florida, but I can't figure out how to do both. One project at a time.
Diana Pancioli has a nice smallish wooden form she has offered to loan
me, and I helped build her caternary arch salt kiln the summer before I
started my degree. I documented and photographed every step, down to
counting bricks. Hers was hard brick on the inside, which we coated with
a layer of sharkskin shino glaze. It has held up really well.
I really like the idea that I could do this 100% by myself. I will
likely build a regular cat to avoid the need for welders. It's what I
have been firing for the last few years, and I haven't found temp
variation to be a problem.
Tony, I've been firing my two Evenheats at my home studio for 15 years,
and have a pretty good stable of ^6 ox glazes -- those will likely
continue to be my bread and butter. But it would be nice to have other
options, as well. I really kind of fell in love with salt surfaces by
the time I was done at school, and I need a project now for all this
leftover momentum.
Kim, I am grateful for the way you shared your homework! You ask some
good questions. I tried very hard to work large, at school, but I really
love to make little pots that nestle in the hand like a bird. I know
there is always that arch space for taller work, but I will plan my
shelves for my own scale -- which is small pieces and lots of them.
I'm fired up to get started... thanks, all, for stoking my fire on this.
Yours
Kelly in Ohio
http://www.primalpotter.com
Steve Mills on wed 11 jun 08
Dear Kelly,
A further thought to add to your collection.
Ruthanne Tudball has an excellent kiln designed by my good friend Joe Finch (Son of Ray Finch doyen of Winchcombe Pottery UK) which has the ability to fire either with Gas or Wood, or both.
Ruthanne's Kiln is not a Catenary, but the firebox layout could be employed in one to good effect, and give you lots of choices and flexibility. He has published the design in a book called "Kiln Building - a brick by brick approach".
Please email me off-list if you want more info.
Steve
Bath
UK
--- On Wed, 6/11/08, Kelly Savino <primalmommy@MAIL2OHIO.COM> wrote:
From: Kelly Savino <primalmommy@MAIL2OHIO.COM>
Subject: Kelly's soda cat: Tony, Kim, Gary, all
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 1:31 PM
I have been printing the posts and good advice from all who wrote me,
and will continue to do so, making a nice fat file to peruse. Soon I
will add pages of refractory brick prices and slab estimates and burner
costs.
patsgreenpots on wed 11 jun 08
Hey Kell!!!
You could always make your bricks, I got a recipes for a castable
shell that I converted into brick casts when I built my woodfiring
kiln last year if you want it. It holds up good but you have to get
the brick good and fired.
Also a buddy of mine in Jackson, Eric Botbyl (yes that is spelled
correctly) made a cat using fire place brick at about a buck fifty
each, and you can find them at any brick yard. they are sized a little
different so you couldn't mix and match and they are rated slightly
lower than HHD bricks. I can attest so far they hold up fine to ^10.
Here is a link to his site and kiln its the 2004 one not the 2007
http://www.botbylpottery.com/studio/kilns.php
anywho thats my 2 pennies
--Patrick Andrew Green
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Kelly Savino wrote:
>
> I have been printing the posts and good advice from all who wrote me,
> and will continue to do so, making a nice fat file to peruse. Soon I
> will add pages of refractory brick prices and slab estimates and burner
> costs.
>
> I plan to build on the shores of Wolf Lake in the Irish Hills. There is
> a sheltered little yard behind my parents' boat house. They have been
> needing to have a cement boat ramp repoured down there, and will likely
> split the cost if I have a slab poured for the kiln. Gary, it's probably
> too wet down there to do gravel, at least seasonally. But thanks for
> that bit of info! It worked for my wood fired bread oven...
>
> They also have a big propane tank on the hill that provides heat for the
> cottage. I will likely get my tanks form the same company.
>
> There is also an endless supply of firewood, now that my folks winter in
> Florida, but I can't figure out how to do both. One project at a time.
>
> Diana Pancioli has a nice smallish wooden form she has offered to loan
> me, and I helped build her caternary arch salt kiln the summer before I
> started my degree. I documented and photographed every step, down to
> counting bricks. Hers was hard brick on the inside, which we coated with
> a layer of sharkskin shino glaze. It has held up really well.
>
> I really like the idea that I could do this 100% by myself. I will
> likely build a regular cat to avoid the need for welders. It's what I
> have been firing for the last few years, and I haven't found temp
> variation to be a problem.
>
> Tony, I've been firing my two Evenheats at my home studio for 15 years,
> and have a pretty good stable of ^6 ox glazes -- those will likely
> continue to be my bread and butter. But it would be nice to have other
> options, as well. I really kind of fell in love with salt surfaces by
> the time I was done at school, and I need a project now for all this
> leftover momentum.
>
>
> Kim, I am grateful for the way you shared your homework! You ask some
> good questions. I tried very hard to work large, at school, but I really
> love to make little pots that nestle in the hand like a bird. I know
> there is always that arch space for taller work, but I will plan my
> shelves for my own scale -- which is small pieces and lots of them.
>
>
> I'm fired up to get started... thanks, all, for stoking my fire on this.
> Yours
> Kelly in Ohio
>
>
>
> http://www.primalpotter.com
>
jonathan byler on wed 11 jun 08
With a little studying, and consultation with those who have gone
before, you should be able to turn your catenary arch soda/salt kiln
into a wood fired version. I'm no expert, but I have seen plenty of
cross-draft type designs in the usual sources, such as jack troy's,
olsen's, and other books as well. I can't see any reason why you
couldn't make a cross draft catenary arch kiln. One method that
might work for you if you just want to do gas for now is to plan for
and leave openings on the side for a wood fired fire box. these
could be bricked up until some future date when you might make it
into a wood kiln. if the fire box width were planned a bit narrower
than the kiln, you could still have room for a pair of propane
burners either side of the fire box,
That could make for a very versatile kiln, that would be cheap to
fire since you have free wood, or easy to fire since you have the
propane...
best of luck with this,
jon
jon byler
3-D Building Coordinator
Art Department
Auburn University, AL 36849
On Jun 11, 2008, at 8:31 AM, Kelly Savino wrote:
> I have been printing the posts and good advice from all who wrote me,
> and will continue to do so, making a nice fat file to peruse. Soon I
> will add pages of refractory brick prices and slab estimates and
> burner
> costs.
>
> I plan to build on the shores of Wolf Lake in the Irish Hills.
> There is
> a sheltered little yard behind my parents' boat house. They have been
> needing to have a cement boat ramp repoured down there, and will
> likely
> split the cost if I have a slab poured for the kiln. Gary, it's
> probably
> too wet down there to do gravel, at least seasonally. But thanks for
> that bit of info! It worked for my wood fired bread oven...
>
> They also have a big propane tank on the hill that provides heat
> for the
> cottage. I will likely get my tanks form the same company.
>
> There is also an endless supply of firewood, now that my folks
> winter in
> Florida, but I can't figure out how to do both. One project at a time.
>
> Diana Pancioli has a nice smallish wooden form she has offered to loan
> me, and I helped build her caternary arch salt kiln the summer
> before I
> started my degree. I documented and photographed every step, down to
> counting bricks. Hers was hard brick on the inside, which we coated
> with
> a layer of sharkskin shino glaze. It has held up really well.
>
> I really like the idea that I could do this 100% by myself. I will
> likely build a regular cat to avoid the need for welders. It's what I
> have been firing for the last few years, and I haven't found temp
> variation to be a problem.
>
> Tony, I've been firing my two Evenheats at my home studio for 15
> years,
> and have a pretty good stable of ^6 ox glazes -- those will likely
> continue to be my bread and butter. But it would be nice to have other
> options, as well. I really kind of fell in love with salt surfaces by
> the time I was done at school, and I need a project now for all this
> leftover momentum.
>
>
> Kim, I am grateful for the way you shared your homework! You ask some
> good questions. I tried very hard to work large, at school, but I
> really
> love to make little pots that nestle in the hand like a bird. I know
> there is always that arch space for taller work, but I will plan my
> shelves for my own scale -- which is small pieces and lots of them.
>
>
> I'm fired up to get started... thanks, all, for stoking my fire on
> this.
> Yours
> Kelly in Ohio
>
>
>
> http://www.primalpotter.com
jonathan byler on wed 11 jun 08
would you be so kind as to post this recipe? I have been looking
into various castable recipes, with the thought of using some sort of
castable material for roof insulation on our hopefully soon to be
built soda and wood kilns.
thanks,
jon
jon byler
3-D Building Coordinator
Art Department
Auburn University, AL 36849
On Jun 11, 2008, at 6:21 PM, patsgreenpots wrote:
> Hey Kell!!!
>
> You could always make your bricks, I got a recipes for a castable
> shell that I converted into brick casts when I built my woodfiring
> kiln last year if you want it. It holds up good but you have to get
> the brick good and fired.
>
> Also a buddy of mine in Jackson, Eric Botbyl (yes that is spelled
> correctly) made a cat using fire place brick at about a buck fifty
> each, and you can find them at any brick yard. they are sized a little
> different so you couldn't mix and match and they are rated slightly
> lower than HHD bricks. I can attest so far they hold up fine to ^10.
>
> Here is a link to his site and kiln its the 2004 one not the 2007
> http://www.botbylpottery.com/studio/kilns.php
>
> anywho thats my 2 pennies
>
> --Patrick Andrew Green
>
>
> --- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Kelly Savino wrote:
>>
>> I have been printing the posts and good advice from all who wrote me,
>> and will continue to do so, making a nice fat file to peruse. Soon I
>> will add pages of refractory brick prices and slab estimates and
>> burner
>> costs.
>>
>> I plan to build on the shores of Wolf Lake in the Irish Hills.
>> There is
>> a sheltered little yard behind my parents' boat house. They have been
>> needing to have a cement boat ramp repoured down there, and will
>> likely
>> split the cost if I have a slab poured for the kiln. Gary, it's
>> probably
>> too wet down there to do gravel, at least seasonally. But thanks for
>> that bit of info! It worked for my wood fired bread oven...
>>
>> They also have a big propane tank on the hill that provides heat
>> for the
>> cottage. I will likely get my tanks form the same company.
>>
>> There is also an endless supply of firewood, now that my folks
>> winter in
>> Florida, but I can't figure out how to do both. One project at a
>> time.
>>
>> Diana Pancioli has a nice smallish wooden form she has offered to
>> loan
>> me, and I helped build her caternary arch salt kiln the summer
>> before I
>> started my degree. I documented and photographed every step, down to
>> counting bricks. Hers was hard brick on the inside, which we
>> coated with
>> a layer of sharkskin shino glaze. It has held up really well.
>>
>> I really like the idea that I could do this 100% by myself. I will
>> likely build a regular cat to avoid the need for welders. It's what I
>> have been firing for the last few years, and I haven't found temp
>> variation to be a problem.
>>
>> Tony, I've been firing my two Evenheats at my home studio for 15
>> years,
>> and have a pretty good stable of ^6 ox glazes -- those will likely
>> continue to be my bread and butter. But it would be nice to have
>> other
>> options, as well. I really kind of fell in love with salt surfaces by
>> the time I was done at school, and I need a project now for all this
>> leftover momentum.
>>
>>
>> Kim, I am grateful for the way you shared your homework! You ask some
>> good questions. I tried very hard to work large, at school, but I
>> really
>> love to make little pots that nestle in the hand like a bird. I know
>> there is always that arch space for taller work, but I will plan my
>> shelves for my own scale -- which is small pieces and lots of them.
>>
>>
>> I'm fired up to get started... thanks, all, for stoking my fire on
>> this.
>> Yours
>> Kelly in Ohio
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.primalpotter.com
>>
John on wed 11 jun 08
Kelly,
Here are the most recent brick suppliers in my area.
I think Diversified Ceramics may be closest to you. Shipping adds a lot =
to the price of each brick. Of course, Larkin is always competitive. =
There are probably others in your area I didn't list. Shane Mickey may =
know of others up there.
You may think about finding old bricks in Toledo. There should be plenty =
of old glass kilns around. =20
You may also think of using castable. If you do then try to find out of =
date castable for a deal. I have used homemade castable but I think the =
manufactured stuff is better in the long run.
Brick Suppliers 2008
=20
Diversified Ceramic Services Inc.
Tim Frederich
7144 Scioto Road=20
Dublin, Ohio 43017
614-946-2156; fax: 614-873-6614; e-mail: tfrederich@hotmail.com
=20
Larkin Furnace
2621 Keys Point
Conyers, GA 30013
1-800-898-4532
Hard brick, IFB, fiber, castable, shelves, posts, etc.
=20
Wilco (Williams Company)
Asheville, NC=20
1-828-254-2169
Miscellaneous - going out of business.
=20
North American Refractory Company (NARCO)
(Consolidated Harbison Walker, North American Refractory, A.P. Green,)
1-704-599-6540 =20
=20
Louisville Fire Brick
1-502-363-2656
Hard brick, IFB, fiber, castable, shelves, posts, etc.
=20
New Castle Refractories
P.O. Box 416
Massillion, OH 44646
1.330.833.4173
1.330.833.0203 (fax)
Steve Madingly=20
IFB only- K-23, K-26 (21/2")
=20
Mt. Savage Specialties Refractories
736 W. Ingomar Rd.
Ingomar, PA 15127
1.800.437.6777
=20
Thanks,
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com/wks.htm
http://ncclayclub.blogspot.com/
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