mel jacobson on sat 14 jun 08
i think in today's market place, looking at fine
china, gift items...color...porcelain is a great choice.
but,
every potter, like every crafts person has a `feel`.
there are things you love to touch, there are things you
hate to touch.
there are people that love to work with steel.
there are people that love to work with wood.
we love clay. we like bricks, fire.
and then it extends to smooth clay, rough clay,
white, brown, spots, smooooth.
we all find a love affair with materials we love to touch.
think of the touch, feel of fabric.
wool, all itchy.
silk all smooth.
cotton. perfect for potters.
visual artists and crafts people are very sensitive
to the `feel`of things. we feel with our eyes and
our hands/bodies. we know and sense `feel`.
if it is not right....we cannot do it.
annette has to work in porcelain with pretty colors.
it is her feel. why would she change to anything else?
even if it is fashionable.
mel
from minnetonka:
website http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
clayart site:
http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
Ric Swenson on sat 14 jun 08
ah....
Mel....
So you understand my love of other materials and clay together......
Ribbon.....silk....wood....steel...iron....bamboo.....oak and Koa together with clay.... porcelalin or stoneware or earthenware...
hard to combine.....but easy to see.
I see them in wings..... flight...
other may see them in other ways....
Regards,
ric
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> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:39:15 -0500> From: melpots2@VISI.COM> Subject: using porcelain> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG> > i think in today's market place, looking at fine> china, gift items...color...porcelain is a great choice.> > but,> every potter, like every crafts person has a `feel`.> there are things you love to touch, there are things you> hate to touch.> > there are people that love to work with steel.> there are people that love to work with wood.> we love clay. we like bricks, fire.> > and then it extends to smooth clay, rough clay,> white, brown, spots, smooooth.> > we all find a love affair with materials we love to touch.> > think of the touch, feel of fabric.> wool, all itchy.> silk all smooth.> cotton. perfect for potters.> > visual artists and crafts people are very sensitive> to the `feel`of things. we feel with our eyes and> our hands/bodies. we know and sense `feel`.> if it is not right....we cannot do it.> > annette has to work in porcelain with pretty colors.> it is her feel. why would she change to anything else?> even if it is fashionable.> mel> > > from minnetonka:> website http://www.visi.com/~melpots/> clayart site:> http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
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Lee Love on sat 14 jun 08
Porcelain is pretty popular in wood fire. Folks really don't
question the durability of porcelain clay, but rather, some of the
very thin and decorative things done with it.
But most things in woodfire are pretty durably made, because they
have to put up with high temps and the fluxing action of ash.
Firing the NCC cantenary next month. Will use some of
Continental Clay's new woodfire porcelain.
--
Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
"We are such stuff as dreams are made on, and our little life is
rounded with a sleep." --PROSPERO Tempest Shakespeare
Antoinette Badenhorst on sat 14 jun 08
This is a good answer Mel and I agree with you, specifically when one has to follow one's heart and do what you like.
If one think you have difficulty to promote what you like to do, try selling what you hate!
What I am really trying to find out, is what is the direction and status of porcelain is in the USA? Form my observation it seems like Americans lean towards more informal and funky and "earthy" arts rather than the more formal, arts and crafts in Europe and Australia. Previously porcelain was mostly used in industry and that was very formal. To me it seems that the general public still see porcelain and it's uses as very formal and expect for it to be made in that way as well. Am I right or wrong in my perception?
Lee I am not surprised to hear you say it is very popular in woodfire. That fit my perception of what is popular in America and I agree with you that if it make it through wood fire, it must be strong!
Do you guys think there is enough information and instruction available for the use of porcelain, specifically for newcomers in this field? How popular is the latest book with porcelain images ( coffee table book?)from Lark Books "Masters of Porcelain"( I think that's the name?)
How does the use of porcelain in America compares with the rest of the world?
I really just want to know how well you think porcelain fit in with a very strong studio ceramic industry.
I love porcelain in which ever form it comes; I love to read about it, write, talk about it and more than anything else I love to make and challenge the medium.
--
Antoinette Badenhorst
www.clayandcanvas.com
www.studiopottery.co.uk
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: mel jacobson
> i think in today's market place, looking at fine
> china, gift items...color...porcelain is a great choice.
>
> but,
> every potter, like every crafts person has a `feel`.
> there are things you love to touch, there are things you
> hate to touch.
>
> there are people that love to work with steel.
> there are people that love to work with wood.
> we love clay. we like bricks, fire.
>
> and then it extends to smooth clay, rough clay,
> white, brown, spots, smooooth.
>
> we all find a love affair with materials we love to touch.
>
> think of the touch, feel of fabric.
> wool, all itchy.
> silk all smooth.
> cotton. perfect for potters.
>
> visual artists and crafts people are very sensitive
> to the `feel`of things. we feel with our eyes and
> our hands/bodies. we know and sense `feel`.
> if it is not right....we cannot do it.
>
> annette has to work in porcelain with pretty colors.
> it is her feel. why would she change to anything else?
> even if it is fashionable.
> mel
>
>
> from minnetonka:
> website http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
> clayart site:
> http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
Patty Kaliher on sat 14 jun 08
I did a workshop with Patty Wouten of Belgium last year and from her slides
of the work of other artists in Europe working in porcelain, I got the
feeling that the porcelain tradition in Europe is stronger than that here in
the US. Maybe partly because the artists are using porcelain bodies
formulated by Sevres and Limoges.
The NCECA in Louisville had some porcelain only shows. Peter's Valley seems
to have a porcelain workshop once every two years while the anagama workshop
happens every summer.
Tom Turner feels there is a need for instruction in porcelain and is set up
to provide it.
Because I work in porcelain, I have friends who work in porcelain and
whenever I meet someone working in porcelain I find we have a lot of
information to share.
Patty Kaliher
Lee Love on sat 14 jun 08
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Antoinette Badenhorst
wrote:
>
> What I am really trying to find out, is what is the direction and status of porcelain is >in the USA?
I don't think this is true. It depends a lot upon where you live.
I can only speak about Minnesota/Wisconsin, where folks often work in
both porcelain and stoneware.
If you walked through Northern Clay Center's sales shop, you'd see a
very diverse range of work. Most of it is very sophisticated and not
at all "funky." Some work is very refined. We have a highly educated
population as far as ceramics go.
I mentioned Maren Kloppmann's porcelain work. She is sucessful:
http://www.marenkloppmann.com
Also, Linda Sikora (she taught me how to throw)
http://www1.akardesign.com/art/ceramics/sikora/sikora.htm
and her husband Matt Metz.
http://www1.akardesign.com/art/ceramics/metz/metz.htm
I would say that porcelain is highly acceptable here in Minnesota.
The way I work, my work is inspired by the place in which I
work in. I made one kind of work in Japan. Now my work is
transforming, and is being influenced by the place I live. I work in
earthenware, stoneware and porcelain.
--
Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
"We are such stuff as dreams are made on, and our little life is
rounded with a sleep." --PROSPERO Tempest Shakespeare
Antoinette Badenhorst on mon 16 jun 08
Patty, there might be some truth in what you suggest about Sevres and Limoges that provide porcelain clay bodies.
Although Southern Ice is available it is very expensive to work with. In my work I can predict to loose at least a third of my work because it is so tedious to work with it. That means that the successful work must carry the price of the clay.
I truly hope that NCECA will provide more opportunities for porcelain in future.
Antoinette Badenhorst
www.clayandcanvas.com
www.studiopottery.co.uk
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Patty Kaliher
> I did a workshop with Patty Wouten of Belgium last year and from her slides
> of the work of other artists in Europe working in porcelain, I got the
> feeling that the porcelain tradition in Europe is stronger than that here in
> the US. Maybe partly because the artists are using porcelain bodies
> formulated by Sevres and Limoges.
>
> The NCECA in Louisville had some porcelain only shows. Peter's Valley seems
> to have a porcelain workshop once every two years while the anagama workshop
> happens every summer.
>
> Tom Turner feels there is a need for instruction in porcelain and is set up
> to provide it.
>
> Because I work in porcelain, I have friends who work in porcelain and
> whenever I meet someone working in porcelain I find we have a lot of
> information to share.
>
> Patty Kaliher
Patti Petit on mon 16 jun 08
My porcelain experience was a problem of acceptance. Years ago I made very delicate bowls of multi colored porcelain embellished with flowers, leaves or fruit. One gallery refused to handle them because they said that "they were too fragile and might be broken by customers." Since then I have moved to heaver ware but I still really love the fine pieces and feel that they are as durable as many stoneware works that chip easily.
Patti in NE Georgia
http://www.runningrabbitpottery.com
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