mel jacobson on thu 17 jul 08
i am going back and forth on this issue.
the mining of clayart names has been awful, and
we are doing everything we can to stop it....and, it
seems like at present, i want to keep that stuff at
bay.
i know other lists open it...but.....
yahoo archives can be reached by anyone.
even google keeps a great deal.
so. for present we are just going to try and keep
clayart pumping out for members, then address this
issue in a few months.
mel/moderator
as many of you know, just getting all the new software
and getting it working to our own specs has been hell.
without maurice and lots of patience, i would be in a
home for insane potters. of course, that home has a
hell of a lot of people....potters, many just there because
of art fairs. (therapy is loading a vw bus with pots 12 times
a day, then setting up a display on a street corner.)
from minnetonka:
website http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
clayart site:
http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
jonathan byler on thu 17 jul 08
and it's not like this is some kind of exclusive club or anything...
you want to see the archives, it is not that hard to join. or have
things changed as of late?
jon byler
3-D Building Coordinator
Art Department
Auburn University, AL 36849
On Jul 17, 2008, at 9:28 AM, mel jacobson wrote:
> i am going back and forth on this issue.
>
> the mining of clayart names has been awful, and
> we are doing everything we can to stop it....and, it
> seems like at present, i want to keep that stuff at
> bay.
>
> i know other lists open it...but.....
> yahoo archives can be reached by anyone.
> even google keeps a great deal.
>
> so. for present we are just going to try and keep
> clayart pumping out for members, then address this
> issue in a few months.
> mel/moderator
> as many of you know, just getting all the new software
> and getting it working to our own specs has been hell.
> without maurice and lots of patience, i would be in a
> home for insane potters. of course, that home has a
> hell of a lot of people....potters, many just there because
> of art fairs. (therapy is loading a vw bus with pots 12 times
> a day, then setting up a display on a street corner.)
>
>
> from minnetonka:
> website http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
> clayart site:
> http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
Lois Ruben Aronow on fri 18 jul 08
I am pretty sure that the archives are public anyway. I have found many an
old post just by googling. so have my non-clayart friends. The archives
themselves are not even password protected.
Nothing on the internet is a secret, and nothing on the internet ever goes
away. The best way for members to protect themselves against clayart spam
is to have separate email address just for the group. Use kill filters.
I am still shocked that people expect any sort of privacy from the internet.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
> mel jacobson
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:29 AM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: opening clayart archives to the public
>
> i am going back and forth on this issue.
>
> the mining of clayart names has been awful, and we are doing
> everything we can to stop it....and, it seems like at
> present, i want to keep that stuff at bay.
>
> i know other lists open it...but.....
> yahoo archives can be reached by anyone.
> even google keeps a great deal.
>
> so. for present we are just going to try and keep clayart
> pumping out for members, then address this issue in a few months.
> mel/moderator
> as many of you know, just getting all the new software and
> getting it working to our own specs has been hell.
> without maurice and lots of patience, i would be in a
> home for insane potters. of course, that home has a
> hell of a lot of people....potters, many just there because
> of art fairs. (therapy is loading a vw bus with pots 12
> times a day, then setting up a display on a street corner.)
>
>
> from minnetonka:
> website http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
> clayart site:
> http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
Antoinette Badenhorst on fri 18 jul 08
Mel, anyone that are seriously interested in clayart archives should go through the trouble of signing up for clayart. As it is it is a free service to potters. Going through a little bit of trouble to get the info one need is the least one can do.
I am not sure if you'll be able to protect clayart e-mails even with your biggest effort, since nothing in this world is safe and secure any more.
My mouth dropped open several times now when we moved twice in two years to see how mail follows us and since e-mail are so much more vulnerable, it is so much more important to try to protect it. It is complete as if there is tracker systems planted in one's name!
Thank you for all you and your team are doing. I am not sure if we always appreciate it as we should.
--
Antoinette Badenhorst
www.clayandcanvas.com
www.studiopottery.co.uk
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: mel jacobson
> i am going back and forth on this issue.
>
> the mining of clayart names has been awful, and
> we are doing everything we can to stop it....and, it
> seems like at present, i want to keep that stuff at
> bay.
>
> i know other lists open it...but.....
> yahoo archives can be reached by anyone.
> even google keeps a great deal.
>
> so. for present we are just going to try and keep
> clayart pumping out for members, then address this
> issue in a few months.
> mel/moderator
> as many of you know, just getting all the new software
> and getting it working to our own specs has been hell.
> without maurice and lots of patience, i would be in a
> home for insane potters. of course, that home has a
> hell of a lot of people....potters, many just there because
> of art fairs. (therapy is loading a vw bus with pots 12 times
> a day, then setting up a display on a street corner.)
>
>
> from minnetonka:
> website http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
> clayart site:
> http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
WJ Seidl on fri 18 jul 08
I don't personally have a problem with the archives staying "closed to
the public".
However (you knew this was coming, dintcha)
is there a way for a statement to be put on the page? The page that
tells prospective browsing potters and interested others that the
archives are available only by registration should also point out with a
simple disclaimer that registration is free, and done to protect the
identity/ email addresses of all who use them. Then, a simple "click
here to register" could direct them, should they be so inclined. Fast,
easy, a no-brainer.
I've gotten wailed in the past (no doubt by someone mining email
addresses from one of the lists I'm on) and do not have a problem with
those who would try to protect my email address. Having an electronic
bouncer at the door is fine, but give others a chance to join the party.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
watching wild turkeys sitting in the fields behind the house, in the
(much needed) rain
Waite, Maine
Lee Love on fri 18 jul 08
Just mundge the addresses, if Listserve can do this.
--
Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do.
There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
Ivor and Olive Lewis on mon 21 jul 08
Just a thought.
Subscribers to Clayart have created what many believe is a unique
record of the arts, crafts, technologies and sciences relating to the
processing of ceramic materials.
But who is the Copyright owner ?
Is it the Moderator?
Potter's Council ?
American Ceramics Society ?
Any ideas out there?
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis.
Redhill,
South Australia.
John Hesselberth on mon 21 jul 08
On Jul 20, 2008, at 11:57 PM, Ivor and Olive Lewis wrote:
> But who is the Copyright owner ?
> Is it the Moderator?
> Potter's Council ?
> American Ceramics Society ?
Hi Ivor,
An interesting question. I'm pretty sure each of us retains copyright
ownership to our postings. My recollection is that in the U.S. (and
probably most of the rest of the world--copyright laws are fairly
standardized) you can't transfer permanent copyright rights except by
written contract. Any article you submit to a magazine, for example,
is for single use rights unless there is a written agreement that
states otherwise. Some magazines, though, play pretty loose with this.
John
John Hesselberth
http://www.frogpondpottery.com
http://www.masteringglazes.com
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