Lili Krakowski on mon 21 jul 08
Sorry. But by now I am confused and bewildered. Like John Britt I believe
glaze recipes should be free for the asking....
So, as far as that goes, the Archives should be open to all. Anyone.
If Public Access to the Archives makes life harder for the
Moderator[s]--even if only a bit, or a tidge, then THEY should decide if
they want to try for a higher degree of sainthood.
Everyone who writes in to ClayArt is making a donation--either asking a
question whose answer can benefit others, or explaining something and so on.
I know that sometimes the conversation gets personal--divorces, and illness,
and death--but I very much doubt that people looking for information about
Cornwall Stone as replacement for Buckingham Spar would look through
"personal" stuff.
I do not understand either the mentions of copyright. Copyright "protects"
a publisher's investment, and it helps pay for the writer's efforts. But
those of us who write in magazines get paid a flat fee and then anyone can
photocopy our darling precious words as much as they want. They just cannot
sell them!
And if someone wanted to quote, HIS publisher would ask for permission to
do so, and nobody gets a penny from all that.
ClayArt is not an organization with dues. So no one is losing money.
I think public access would be terrific. For one it would give many newbies
access to the wisdom and generosity of people like Ababi, and Martin
Howard--and it would earn a great deal of needed respect for the craft....
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
Lois Ruben Aronow on mon 21 jul 08
So I'm kinda confused.....go to www.potters.org and you can dig up stuff as
far back as the beginning of Clayart. It's only searchable by subject, but
it's there.
Is that not public?
Lee Love on tue 22 jul 08
Isn't Mel the owner? That means he can do what he wants with the
archive. I mean, make it public or get rid of it. That is what
owner means.
As far as publishing things in it, maybe that would be a different story.
--
Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do.
There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
Ivor and Olive Lewis on tue 22 jul 08
Dear Lois Ruben Aronow, and others who have responded to my question.
All I asked was "Who owns the Copyright to the archives".
So far, it would seem as though we do not know who the owner is.
I suspect it is "Big Brother, ACerS"
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis.
Redhill,
South Australia.
Earl Krueger on tue 22 jul 08
It seems to me there are several different questions
being asked/answered here.
I believe the original post was concerned with
harvesting of e-mail addresses by spammers.
If you are interested in selling your wares I would
think that having your e-mail address accessible
by a large population would be a good thing. But
the trade-off is you, and everybody else will have
to live with the spam. Interestingly I do not get
any spam anymore since the changes to ClayArt
occurred, or else it is being filtered out by GMAIL.
I'm not conversant with what the copyright laws are
but to err on the safe side I would assume anything
posted to the Internet to become part of the public
domain. This may not be true but it is safe.
Earl Krueger
Elmira, Oregon, usa
Christine Campbell on tue 22 jul 08
Ivor wrote ...
> All I asked was "Who owns the
> Copyright to the archives".
> So far, it would seem as though
> we do not know who the owner is.
> I suspect it is "Big Brother, ACerS"
I find this 'Big Brother' comment a little
strange ... I don't think most people who
have met the staff from ACERS would think
of them in Orwellian terms.
The question of who owns copyrights to
anything on the Internet is a question that
could likely be fought in International Courts
for the rest of our lifetimes.
In any event, a copyright is only as good as the
cash you want to spend to defend it.
Clayart produces a deluge of information at various
levels of worth which is about all any Forum user
expects.
For all intents and purposes, the archives are
already as public as anything can be ... you do not
have to be a member to access them.
... is there anyone who thought they were just
talking to their best friends?
Chris Campbell - in North Carolina
--
Chris Campbell Pottery LLC
9417 Koupela Drive
Raleigh NC 27615-2233
Designs in Colored Porcelain
1-800-652-1008
Fax : 919-676-2062
website: www.ccpottery.com
wholesale : www.wholesalecrafts.com
John Hesselberth on tue 22 jul 08
On Jul 22, 2008, at 3:03 AM, Ivor and Olive Lewis wrote:
> So far, it would seem as though we do not know who the owner is.
> I suspect it is "Big Brother, ACerS"
Hi Ivor,
I think we do know. Certainly the person who generates a post owns =20
the copyright at the moment of generation.
Following is a short section from the U.S. government's copyright web =20=
site. You can see the whole document at:
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.pdf
> "Transfer of Copyright
>
> Any or all of the copyright owner=92s exclusive rights or any
> subdivision of those rights may be transferred, but the transfer
> of exclusive rights is not valid unless that transfer is in
> writing and signed by the owner of the rights conveyed or
> such owner=92s duly authorized agent......"
I doubt any of us have signed away our exclusive rights by way of =20
written contract to ACerS or anyone else.
Regards,
John
John Hesselberth
http://www.frogpondpottery.com
http://www.masteringglazes.com
June on tue 22 jul 08
It's highly doubtful that Acers can own the copy write to the individual messages which belong to the original contributor; and they may not even own the archive if all the message are, under law, assumed to be the property of the original poster because the archives would not exist without all those individual contributors.
The only way they could obtain copy write to clayart messages would be if the original poster gave up that right as part of an agreement on joining the group or after the fact.
Regards,
June (finally back in the studio (well, I will be after I pick the blueberries!)
http://www.shambhalapottery.com
http://shambhalapottery.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sodasaltfiring/
----- Original Message ----
From: Ivor and Olive Lewis
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:03:57 AM
Subject: Public access to the Archives
Dear Lois Ruben Aronow, and others who have responded to my question.
All I asked was "Who owns the Copyright to the archives".
So far, it would seem as though we do not know who the owner is.
I suspect it is "Big Brother, ACerS"
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis.
Redhill,
South Australia.
May Luk on tue 22 jul 08
David Hewitt from Wales used to contribute a great deal too. A great lost i=
n my glaze diary.
May
Kings County
[...]
> give many newbies
> access to the wisdom and generosity of people like Ababi,
> and Martin
> Howard--and it would earn a great deal of needed respect
> for the craft....
>=20
> Lili Krakowski
>=20
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Gerald Scott O'Sullivan on wed 23 jul 08
As others have commented, everyone who posted an email to Clayart owns
the copyright of that email, so Acers certainly do not own the copyright
to the Archives (though we owe them a big vote of thanks for making the
postings available!).=20
Authors or creators of works of art, literature, sculpture and so on, do
not have to register or apply for a copyright if they live in a country
which adheres to the Berne Convention. As soon as the work is fixed in a
medium (printed, recorded, painted, emailed), the creator owns the
copyright.
But behind the question of =EF=BB=BF"Who owns the Copyright to the archiv=
es"
lurks even more interesting one: "Who owns the copyright to the glaze
recipes?".
Is it even possible to copyright a glaze recipe?=20
The Berne Convention refers to the "production" of a literary or
artistic work. You must produce something: a song, a poem, or a glazed
pot.
The thing must exist. You can't copyright an idea. You copyright the
manifestation of the idea.
Is a glaze recipe the glaze itself, or is it just the "idea" of the
glaze?
Gerald
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