James Bretes on thu 27 nov 97
I like to make a request for all of the artists who has been on the jury
or has been in the areas of gallery shows ect.
I have a large question: I have been doing pots for about 12
years and
I have been doing stoneware and raku. I am at a point of doing larger
shows and have taken slides of both stoneware and raku. Booth slides
are in comb. and raku and stoneware seprately...
QUESTION??????: When is it right to add 1 or 2 slides, of each?,
in a
jurying if it only requires the process of 3 or 4 slides total.? should
your booth slide show a combination of both,? or just send in either
stoneware, or raku booth slides? Some shows I will enter just raku
ect... but the others I would like to enter both... How would that be
listed on applications? My stronger seems towards raku but I also don't
like to limit my possibilities in working with clay..
Any help will greatly enhance my brain cells...
thanks
jim
Carolynn Palmer on fri 28 nov 97
It is my experience that if you include slides of both types of work it will
greatly reduce your chances of getting into shows.
Most jurists are looking for a "body" of work in the slide presentation - and
they are able to look at your slides for only a very short time; therefore,
it is better to have a more homoginized look to the slide presentation in
general. This includes the booth slide.
By showing two types of work that are so distinctly different in one slide
presentation, you are only going to look schizophrenic.
My experiences are and recommendation is: make up your mind which type of
work you wish to exhibit and sell, and send in only those slides that
represent that type. Either/Or and not both.
Clayphil on sat 29 nov 97
>QUESTION??????: When is it right to add 1 or 2 slides, of each?,
>in a
>jurying if it only requires the process of 3 or 4 slides total.?
Though I'm by no means an expert, if they ask for 3 slides, they want 3
slides. More may automatically disqualify your work from the jurying process.
It is also my understading that one of the purposes of a booth shot is to give
the jury a glimpse of the range of the artists work, amoung other things. So
send them what they ask for, nothing more, nothing less. And if you cannot
take professional quality slides, hire someone who can. Those 3-4 slides have
to represent your work and compete with other artists for a few slots.
Phil in Chicago
James Bretes on sat 29 nov 97
Carolynn Palmer wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> It is my experience that if you include slides of both types of work it will
> greatly reduce your chances of getting into shows.
>
> Most jurists are looking for a "body" of work in the slide presentation - and
> they are able to look at your slides for only a very short time; therefore,
> it is better to have a more homoginized look to the slide presentation in
> general. This includes the booth slide.
>
> By showing two types of work that are so distinctly different in one slide
> presentation, you are only going to look schizophrenic.
>
> My experiences are and recommendation is: make up your mind which type of
> work you wish to exhibit and sell, and send in only those slides that
> represent that type. Either/Or and not both.
I would like to add a little more info... I know that consistent and
homogenous is essential in doing slides for jurors. On the other side
of the coin is the development of both types of clay, (RAKU &
stoneware). I have had approx. 20% of return customers prefer to buy
both types. While I have been doing shows I have approx 70% of either
one, To my own experience, It will depends on the shows I have
attended. At times I will sell almost all of RAKU and about 10% of
stoneware and others I will sell no RAKU. That 10% could be the break
even point? or could be the cost of expenses of doing that show??
Is it wrong, to try to sell to the customers, of what they would like
to buy or to choose from. By giving them a choice of 2 completely
different styles.??? I really don't know how many times I have had
people come up to me and commented on the different styles and enjoy
looking at something different.
I know I am breaking tradition by not choosing one or the other right
now...but I am there at the (art shows) to please happy customers and
make lots of MONEY. Is it wrong to have the "Best of both worlds"
I would like to have some more input of this situation, that I am
toiling with. Maybe others had similiar problems?
Thanks again
Jim
Eleanora Eden on wed 3 dec 97
I have been browsing this thread with interest. I do alot of different
"looks" and as it is imperative to focus on the best possibility for
entertainin the jury with the "look" and not the scope of the body of work
it leaves some guesswork as to what to bring with you.
But my big question is what does anybody know about the chances of getting
into a show based on when the slides get submitted. Do the jurors just go
for what pleases no matter where it comes in the stack? Do the places get
used up? Do a bunch get saved for later? Do they get brain-dead and go to
sleep? I would like comments on this from people who have done jurying or
know something about it. My experience sheds no light since I've always
been last minute I have nothing to compare to.
Eleanora Eden 802 869-2003
Paradise Hill
Bellows Falls, VT 05101 eden@sover.net
Dannon Rhudy on thu 4 dec 97
Eleanora,
I think that the "place in the stack" does not matter. Most
jurors look at the whole bunch at least twice before they start
to pull out "possibles". (When we send the slides to the juror
for Ceramics USA, they are in carosels, in whatever order they
get opened. We send one or two empty carosels; as the selection
begins, possibilities go into the empty slots.) When the lot have
been gone through a couple of times, and "maybe" and "no" have
been separated, then the juror will likely go through several
more times, removing, until they are at the approximate number
needed for show/exhibit/fair/whatever. It is my best guess that
place-in-line does not matter at all; as it shouldn't. Even
when there are a thousand -plus slides, and more, the process
remains pretty much the same. The juror sees all the slides at
one time; they are not looked at a few-here/few-there.
Dannon Rhudy
potter@koyote.com
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message----------------------------
I have been browsing this thread with interest. I do alot of
different
"looks" and as it is imperative to focus on the best possibility
for
entertainin the jury with the "look" and not the scope of the body
of work
it leaves some guesswork as to what to bring with you.
But my big question is what does anybody know about the chances of
getting
into a show based on when the slides get submitted. Do the jurors
just go
for what pleases no matter where it comes in the stack? Do the
places get
used up? Do a bunch get saved for later? Do they get brain-dead
and go to
sleep? I would like comments on this from people who have done
jurying or
know something about it. My experience sheds no light since I've
always
been last minute I have nothing to compare to.
Eleanora Eden 802 869-2003
Paradise Hill
Bellows Falls, VT 05101 eden@sover.net
douglas gray on thu 4 dec 97
In message Eleanora Eden writes:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> But my big question is what does anybody know about the chances of getting
> into a show based on when the slides get submitted. Do the jurors just go
> for what pleases no matter where it comes in the stack? Do the places get
> used up? Do a bunch get saved for later? Do they get brain-dead and go to
> sleep?
From my experience, working with jurors and jurying shows myself, it seems that
the position of a individual slide in a collection of slides really doesn't make
a difference. The jurors we've hired for CERAMICS USA exhibits usually have a
week or two to look over all the slides. Gathering from the talks I had with
them, they usually look through the entire collection at least a couple of times
before they begin selecting anything. I'm sure the process differs from juror
to juror, but that seems to be the way things have been done for us.
From my personal experience as a juror (little as it may be) I follow that same
practice. It is important to get a feel for the entire collection, before you
start to narrow it down. Once you've gone through the work, you start to get a
feel for what the show should look like as a whole. There are, of course,
certain pieces that jump out at you from the very beginning, either as a "this
is got to be in the show" or (sorry to say) "no way, no can do." Then you
start looking at the rest of the work, which I might add, is usuually the bulk
of things. Depending on the scope of the exhibit, you select as needed, trying
not to weight the show with all the same technique, the same shape, the same
colors. Putting the final grouping together can be a real design challange and
in many ways a true art form.
Having said all this, I would like to emphasize the fact that juried exhibitions
are never truly objective, no matter how hard the juror, coordinators, or
gallery personel try. The fact is that any given artist can get into any given
show at any given time, provided circumstances are right. Unfortunately, the
opposite is true as well. My advice to myself and my students is to never let
someone else determine the value and worth of your art work. Encouragement from
a second party is great, but it can't replace good old fashion determination,
self motivation and conviction. So if juried shows are important to your
development as a professional, keep trying and keep entering. Some where I pick
up the advice that if you get in one show for every ten you enter, you are doing
well.
doug
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Douglas E. Gray
Assistant Professor of Art, Ceramics
Francis Marion Univeristy
Florence, South Carolina 29501
dgray@fmarion.edu
J./B. Moore on thu 4 dec 97
> But my big question is what does anybody know about the chances of getting
> into a show based on when the slides get submitted. Do the jurors just go
> for what pleases no matter where it comes in the stack? Do the places get
> used up? Do a bunch get saved for later? Do they get brain-dead and go to
> sleep? I would like comments on this from people who have done jurying or
> know something about it. My experience sheds no light since I've always
> been last minute I have nothing to compare to.
> Eleanora Eden 802 869-2003
> Paradise Hill
> Bellows Falls, VT 05101 eden@sover.net
After having worked with jurors of the Broad Ripple Art Fair for almost
9 years, I can safely state the following:
1) Jurors DO go brain-dead after a while. The limit is about 1 hour
without a good break. Since ceramics is the largest single media
category to jury, we start the 3-D panel with ceramics, have a 20-min.
break that includes some food, and then do jewelry. Then we have a
10-15 minute break, then do everything else in random order.
2) The form brain death takes varies with the individual juror. Some
get less picky on their scores, some get more picky. However, most of
them get more picky because of the "seen it before" syndrome. We try to
counteract this effect by clicking through the entries first so they get
an idea of the scope, and then go through again more slowly.
3) At least at the B.R.A.F., the jurors do not know who gets in. They
just give their scores. We have a rather complicated tallying process
involving averaging three separate scores per entry, and then we take
the top X many to fill the number of artists in the medium being
juried. The jurors rarely stick around for this part. So, the places
don't get used up.
4) It seems to be to the artist's advantage to be EARLIER in the
process rather than later. The jurors are not as tired and are more
likely to be charitable on borderline cases. Also, at least with the
B.R.A.F. we assign booth spaces based on entry number, so the earlier
you are in the process the more likely it is that we can honor any
special requests.
Julia Moore
Indianapolis Art Center
(co-chair, Broad Ripple Art Fair)
Kathi LeSueur on thu 4 dec 97
<into a show based on when the slides get submitted. Do the jurors just go
for what pleases no matter where it comes in the stack? Do the places get
used up? Do a bunch get saved for later? Do they get brain-dead and go to
sleep? >>
Most information about what affects your chances of getting in a show is
anecdotal at best. But I can share what I know. Some shows put slides into
carosels as they come in. Some put them in boxes by medium and then put them
in carosels all at one time. I've heard that being at the front of your media
is not good. Jurors hold their high scores. I've heard that having your
slides seen after one or several sets of mediocre work is an advantage. I've
heard that at some shows with a high volume of submissions, at some point
they say this is all we can review and place the rest in the pile for the
rejection letter.
I do know that jurors get retina fatigue. The do go brain dead. But they also
try to do their best to review slides fairly. Whether or not they go for just
what they like depends on their instuctions.
But......... in the final analysis, jurying is a crap shoot. Getting in
doesn't mean you are good, and getting rejected doesn't mean you are
inferior.
Kathi LeSueur
Carolynn Palmer on fri 5 dec 97
The times I have participated as a juror, all of the slides were organized by
the show organizers prior to my arrival. All of the jurors looked at all of
the slide sets in one sitting (sometimes this can take several days, if it is
a very big show) so, it did not matter when you sent them in (I think) as
long as you made the deadline.
And yes, no matter what, if the show is big, the jurors go brain dead. So
that means your presentation must "wake them up."
No juror has ever gone to sleep that I know of, although, they are in small,
darkened rooms, hmm...no wonder juror number 3 behind me was so quiet...
Carolynn Palmer, Somerset Center, Michigan
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