Antoinette Badenhorst on thu 21 aug 08
Okay.....we did not make it into 2009. Are we going to try again for 2010?
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Antoinette Badenhorst
www.clayandcanvas.com
www.studiopottery.co.uk
Taylor Hendrix on thu 21 aug 08
I say yes we try again in 2010, but who listens to me?
Tay Tay in Rock Rock
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Antoinette Badenhorst
wrote:
> Okay.....we did not make it into 2009. Are we going to try again for 2010?
> --
> Antoinette Badenhorst
...
William & Susan Schran User on thu 21 aug 08
On 8/21/08 3:36 PM, "Taylor Hendrix" wrote:
> I say yes we try again in 2010, but who listens to me?
>
> Tay Tay in Rock Rock
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Antoinette Badenhorst
> wrote:
>> Okay.....we did not make it into 2009. Are we going to try again for 2010?
>> --
>> Antoinette Badenhorst
> ...
Well after Lori and I did all that work (well, when Lori did all that work)
and we had gotten an indication that it might be accepted when we were in
Pittsburgh, then learned about the rejection - that pretty much deflated our
balloons.
I'm in the middle of something big that I'll announce to Clayart real
soon...
Bill
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William "Bill" Schran
wschran@cox.net
wschran@nvcc.edu
http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
Antoinette Badenhorst on fri 22 aug 08
Bill could you ever find out why it was rejected? Also how is it that you had an indication that it was accepted; was it just the grape vines?
--
Antoinette Badenhorst
www.clayandcanvas.com
www.studiopottery.co.uk
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: William & Susan Schran User
> On 8/21/08 3:36 PM, "Taylor Hendrix" wrote:
>
> > I say yes we try again in 2010, but who listens to me?
> >
> > Tay Tay in Rock Rock
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Antoinette Badenhorst
> > wrote:
> >> Okay.....we did not make it into 2009. Are we going to try again for 2010?
> >> --
> >> Antoinette Badenhorst
> > ...
>
> Well after Lori and I did all that work (well, when Lori did all that work)
> and we had gotten an indication that it might be accepted when we were in
> Pittsburgh, then learned about the rejection - that pretty much deflated our
> balloons.
>
> I'm in the middle of something big that I'll announce to Clayart real
> soon...
>
> Bill
>
>
> --
> William "Bill" Schran
> wschran@cox.net
> wschran@nvcc.edu
> http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
Vince Pitelka on fri 22 aug 08
Antoinette wrote:
"So let's discuss "new or cutting-edge" and see if we can learn =
something
about this process. Vince please give us some examples of what you would
consider "new or cutting edge"?"
Antoinette -=20
That's a hard question to answer. I am sure that the jury selecting
exhibitions for NCECA from the submitted applicants is looking for =
anything
new, different, or especially interesting, or as I said in the previous
post, a show featuring some superstar or very popular emerging artist.
Every NCECA is filled with examples. Group shows are a dime a dozen =
unless
they offer some new slant. So, one year, they might accept a show of
faculty and alumni from a small group of universities in the Midwest, as
they did in the same complex where the Cyberclay was held in Louisville.
Or, in the same complex, there was an exhibition of pouring vessels. It =
all
depends on who submits the proposal, and how original or interesting the
proposal is. It doesn't make sense to have a particular exhibition =
(such as
a juried exhibition of Clayart members) that is not accepted and to try =
and
think of how you can repackage it in order to get it accepted. The =
solution
is to think of a better idea for an exhibition. "Cyberclay" had a nice =
ring
to it, and it seemed new at the time. =20
You wrote:
"Another point that I want to mention is the proposal ( and I did not =
see
Bill and Lori's clayart entry so this is NOT at all reflection on them) =
and
the way it is presented. I studied Bruce Baker's cds on this subject and =
I
know that presentation is extremely important, particularly if judges =
have
to go through lots of images."
Let's be careful here, Antoinette. Bruce Baker's approach is =
professional
but pretty standardized and clich=E9d. Bill and Lori are both seasoned
professionals in studio and academic clay. They deserve credit for =
doing
this right, and the fact that the exhibition was not accepted is no
reflection on them. They did the best they could with what they had to =
work
with.
It does not make sense to expect NCECA to accept a juried Clayart =
exhibition
as a routine thing. But I think it would be great for Clayart members =
to
brainstorm on exhibition proposals that appeal to the members. We have =
a
lot of very talented and capable clay artists/artisans on this list. =20
- Vince=20
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
William & Susan Schran User on fri 22 aug 08
On 8/21/08 10:35 PM, "Antoinette Badenhorst"
wrote:
> Bill could you ever find out why it was rejected? Also how is it that you had
> an indication that it was accepted; was it just the grape vines?
Have no idea for either question.
Lori perhaps has more information.
Bill
Vince Pitelka on fri 22 aug 08
Antoinette wrote:
"Bill could you ever find out why it was rejected? Also how is it that you
had an indication that it was accepted; was it just the grape vines?"
Antoinette -
There is little gain in questioning the selection process. They are looking
for variety, as they should, and we had the "Cyberclay" exhibition in 2007.
We cannot expect them to accept this exhibition very often. It was novel
when it was proposed, but it is not novel right now. In order to get an
exhibition accepted by NCECA, it needs to be new or cutting-edge, or else it
has to feature a superstar. That's the reality. NCECA does a great job of
accepting interesting exhibitions.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
Vince Pitelka on sat 23 aug 08
Antoinette wrote:
"Now you talk! My dad would have said, such a mouth deserves candy! If you
have to kick off such a brainstorm, what would you say?"
With the start of the semester and two workshops coming up and a lot of
studio work to do and various writing projects facing deadlines, I have way
too much on my plate. But if others suggest exhibition ideas I'll be happy
to brainstorm.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
Antoinette Badenhorst on sat 23 aug 08
Vince, I agree with you that Bruce Baker might be cliched; I am not trying to sell him or his ideas. What was good for yesterday, will not necessarily be good for tomorrow. I am simply saying that presentation is important. I also mentioned specifically that my comment has nothing to do with Bill and Lori's presentation. So don't get me wrong here; I am cautious.
You wrote:
I am also saying that if a judge have something specifically in mind and I offer him/ her a presentation other than what is expected, I will not make it.
You wrote:
It does not make sense to expect NCECA to accept a juried Clayart exhibition
as a routine thing. But I think it would be great for Clayart members to
brainstorm on exhibition proposals that appeal to the members. We have a
lot of very talented and capable clay artists/artisans on this list.
Now you talk! My dad would have said, such a mouth deserves candy! If you have to kick off such a brainstorm, what would you say?
--
Antoinette Badenhorst
www.clayandcanvas.com
www.studiopottery.co.uk
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Vince Pitelka
> Antoinette wrote:
> "So let's discuss "new or cutting-edge" and see if we can learn something
> about this process. Vince please give us some examples of what you would
> consider "new or cutting edge"?"
>
> Antoinette -
> That's a hard question to answer. I am sure that the jury selecting
> exhibitions for NCECA from the submitted applicants is looking for anything
> new, different, or especially interesting, or as I said in the previous
> post, a show featuring some superstar or very popular emerging artist.
> Every NCECA is filled with examples. Group shows are a dime a dozen unless
> they offer some new slant. So, one year, they might accept a show of
> faculty and alumni from a small group of universities in the Midwest, as
> they did in the same complex where the Cyberclay was held in Louisville.
> Or, in the same complex, there was an exhibition of pouring vessels. It all
> depends on who submits the proposal, and how original or interesting the
> proposal is. It doesn't make sense to have a particular exhibition (such as
> a juried exhibition of Clayart members) that is not accepted and to try and
> think of how you can repackage it in order to get it accepted. The solution
> is to think of a better idea for an exhibition. "Cyberclay" had a nice ring
> to it, and it seemed new at the time.
>
> You wrote:
> "Another point that I want to mention is the proposal ( and I did not see
> Bill and Lori's clayart entry so this is NOT at all reflection on them) and
> the way it is presented. I studied Bruce Baker's cds on this subject and I
> know that presentation is extremely important, particularly if judges have
> to go through lots of images."
>
> Let's be careful here, Antoinette. Bruce Baker's approach is professional
> but pretty standardized and clichéd. Bill and Lori are both seasoned
> professionals in studio and academic clay. They deserve credit for doing
> this right, and the fact that the exhibition was not accepted is no
> reflection on them. They did the best they could with what they had to work
> with.
>
> It does not make sense to expect NCECA to accept a juried Clayart exhibition
> as a routine thing. But I think it would be great for Clayart members to
> brainstorm on exhibition proposals that appeal to the members. We have a
> lot of very talented and capable clay artists/artisans on this list.
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft
> Tennessee Tech University
> vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
Antoinette Badenhorst on sat 23 aug 08
Well there you got it. My guessing answer that I gave to someone earlier today was
kind of following the same lines.
Here is what I've said:
"....I have to say that I have an idea that time
might be a factor when it comes to commenting on NCECA entries.
I do believe though that since Clayart is a huge part of the ceramic world and
since we are a community of students and teachers it is a perfect place to teach
and learn from experience. As far as I know we are also the single biggest group
at NCECA.
Does anybody knows how the judging process takes place for show entries at
NCECA? What is the possibility that shows got juried by themes?
Why don't we see if we can learn from this experience. "
So lets discuss "new or cutting-edge" and see if we can learn something about this process. Vince please give us some examples of what you would consider "new or cutting edge"?
Another point that I want to mention is the proposal ( and I did not see Bill and Lori's clayart entry so this is NOT at all reflection on them) and the way it is presented. I studied Bruce Baker's cds on this subject and I know that presentation is extremely important, particularly if judges have to go through lots of images.
What I would like to see is that Clayart , as it stand it's shoes full in every day ceramic, it also stand it's shoes full in one of a kind ceramic events like NCECA.
I ( and others that I spoke to) do not question the judge's decision. If we know better we can do better. Artists always says that jury selection is subjective and if one is looking for a specific presentation it has to be that way. In South Africa when it was a national show that was open to all ceramic, judges had a little slip to fill out about technical quality, esthetic's,originality etc. Of cause it is harder to do if one has a zillion images to consider.
--
Antoinette Badenhorst
www.clayandcanvas.com
www.studiopottery.co.uk
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Vince Pitelka
> Antoinette wrote:
> "Bill could you ever find out why it was rejected? Also how is it that you
> had an indication that it was accepted; was it just the grape vines?"
>
> Antoinette -
> There is little gain in questioning the selection process. They are looking
> for variety, as they should, and we had the "Cyberclay" exhibition in 2007.
> We cannot expect them to accept this exhibition very often. It was novel
> when it was proposed, but it is not novel right now. In order to get an
> exhibition accepted by NCECA, it needs to be new or cutting-edge, or else it
> has to feature a superstar. That's the reality. NCECA does a great job of
> accepting interesting exhibitions.
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft
> Tennessee Tech University
> vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
Ric Swenson on sun 24 aug 08
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