Peggy Thompson on wed 13 aug 08
I am getting my granddaughter a kiln wired, new line, in their garage the
kiln label says 16 amps,[440, I think hubby called up to me ?], SO THE 200
AMP BOX HAS 2 EMPTY SLOTS EACH SIDE AT BOTTOM. I am wondering if 220/20amps
is adequate BREAKER and how far to locate kiln from the box and door [this
is near house to garage door from home ,back from distant overhead garage
doors] should I specify a seperate cut off breaker box next to the kiln as
well as a dedicated breaker in the panel.I am thinking I may need a
couple seperate 110 lines put in for an eventual wheel and maybe fan. What
about where to locate a co3 /smoke/fire alarm ? This is a typical 20'' x
20'' or so double garage in Atlanta area. Does anyone know an electrican in
the 30041 zip,any chance?
I want to have this done reasonably an also need to know the wire size to
use and type.
Thanks,
Meg from Cumming,GA
John Rodgers on wed 13 aug 08
You want to be sure ou specify to the electrician that you want copper
wiring, not aluminum. Local code may require copper, but better nothing
left to chance. Tell him.
As far as the breaker goes, if your installer is a licensed
electricain, he will know what breaker to install to give you the
required margin for 16 amps. There is a chart that he will refer to to
determine the correct diameter wire and the correct breaker for the
distance involved. You will need a dedicated breaker in the box, and a
fused pull handle box where the kiln plugs in may be a code requirement.
Even if it is not code - it's a good idea in any case.
My $0.02!
Good luck.
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL
Peggy Thompson wrote:
> I am getting my granddaughter a kiln wired, new line, in their garage the
> kiln label says 16 amps,[440, I think hubby called up to me ?], SO THE 200
> AMP BOX HAS 2 EMPTY SLOTS EACH SIDE AT BOTTOM. I am wondering if 220/20amps
> is adequate BREAKER and how far to locate kiln from the box and door [this
> is near house to garage door from home ,back from distant overhead garage
> doors] should I specify a seperate cut off breaker box next to the kiln as
> well as a dedicated breaker in the panel.I am thinking I may need a
> couple seperate 110 lines put in for an eventual wheel and maybe fan. What
> about where to locate a co3 /smoke/fire alarm ? This is a typical 20'' x
> 20'' or so double garage in Atlanta area. Does anyone know an electrican in
> the 30041 zip,any chance?
> I want to have this done reasonably an also need to know the wire size to
> use and type.
> Thanks,
> Meg from Cumming,GA
>
>
>
Karin Givon on wed 13 aug 08
I have a 50 amp breaker dedicated to my kiln. I hooked it up to my
( 20 year old!) HEAVY DUTY extension cord that my fab geek son made
for me in 1988.....and it works perfectly, winter and summer. The
electrician who wired the breaker freaked out and asked me " Does the
extension cord get hot when you fire?" and I didn't know, at the
time. I told him I'd never thought to touch it. Which is true. But
then, of course , I did. It dOES NOT get warm, much less hot. BUT
the cord to the plug from the NEW ELECTONIC fancy dancy kiln gets
pretty warm! So? I don't know. Thought this might be of some help
tho. BTW, my extension cord is about 25 feet long. People, many many
people, tell me I LOOOSE energy that way....well, I fire to 10 and
it's no problem. OF course, it IS a gnarly extension cord! I use
dryer plugs on it.....
Hope this info helps. You can do about anything, if you're determined
and don't listen to the nay-sayers.
BTY again: I just fired some glazes from "mastering ^6" and WOWIE!
Gives me hope and all sorts of ideas. THANK YOU GUYS! This is SO MUCH
FUN!
Karin
DancingDragonPottery.net
Nevada City, CA 95959
On Aug 13, 2008, at 6:22 PM, Peggy Thompson wrote:
I am getting my granddaughter a kiln wired, new line, in their garage
the
kiln label says 16 amps,[440, I think hubby called up to me ?], SO
THE 200
AMP BOX HAS 2 EMPTY SLOTS EACH SIDE AT BOTTOM. I am wondering if
220/20amps
is adequate BREAKER and how far to locate kiln from the box and
door [this
is near house to garage door from home ,back from distant overhead
garage
doors] should I specify a seperate cut off breaker box next to the
kiln as
well as a dedicated breaker in the panel.I am thinking I may need a
couple seperate 110 lines put in for an eventual wheel and maybe fan.
What
about where to locate a co3 /smoke/fire alarm ? This is a typical 20'' x
20'' or so double garage in Atlanta area. Does anyone know an
electrican in
the 30041 zip,any chance?
I want to have this done reasonably an also need to know the wire
size to
use and type.
Thanks,
Meg from Cumming,GA
Peggy Thompson on wed 13 aug 08
thanks,John, definitely copper.I just did not know if 10 or 8 wire was the
one required for 16 amps.
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:19 PM, John Rodgers wrote:
> You want to be sure ou specify to the electrician that you want copper
> wiring, not aluminum. Local code may require copper, but better nothing
> left to chance. Tell him.
>
> As far as the breaker goes, if your installer is a licensed
> electricain, he will know what breaker to install to give you the
> required margin for 16 amps. There is a chart that he will refer to to
> determine the correct diameter wire and the correct breaker for the
> distance involved. You will need a dedicated breaker in the box, and a
> fused pull handle box where the kiln plugs in may be a code requirement.
> Even if it is not code - it's a good idea in any case.
>
> My $0.02!
>
> Good luck.
>
> John Rodgers
> Chelsea, AL
>
>
> Peggy Thompson wrote:
>
>> I am getting my granddaughter a kiln wired, new line, in their garage the
>> kiln label says 16 amps,[440, I think hubby called up to me ?], SO THE
>> 200
>> AMP BOX HAS 2 EMPTY SLOTS EACH SIDE AT BOTTOM. I am wondering if
>> 220/20amps
>> is adequate BREAKER and how far to locate kiln from the box and door
>> [this
>> is near house to garage door from home ,back from distant overhead garage
>> doors] should I specify a seperate cut off breaker box next to the kiln
>> as
>> well as a dedicated breaker in the panel.I am thinking I may need a
>> couple seperate 110 lines put in for an eventual wheel and maybe fan. What
>> about where to locate a co3 /smoke/fire alarm ? This is a typical 20'' x
>> 20'' or so double garage in Atlanta area. Does anyone know an electrican
>> in
>> the 30041 zip,any chance?
>> I want to have this done reasonably an also need to know the wire size to
>> use and type.
>> Thanks,
>> Meg from Cumming,GA
>>
>>
>>
>>
Peggy Thompson on wed 13 aug 08
ok, this is ad I posted to craigslist, just tell me anything you think I
missed or haave incorrect.Meg
''I wish to locate ceramic single phase kiln, 10 feet from 200amp house
panel[in garage] with own cut off breaker, in a box before recepticle, on
General Electric copper line.
Panel is very neat, with 2 open breaker slots each side at bottom.
Want local liscensed master electrician.
Also, need 2 seperate 20 amp lines ,each on own breaker for future 1 hsp
motor driven pottery wheels, maybe up to 5 and 15 feet ,each from main box.
Please respond with quote for labor and materials.Can you do it THIS
Saturday?
8037276213 CELL''
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Karin Givon wrote:
> I have a 50 amp breaker dedicated to my kiln. I hooked it up to my
> ( 20 year old!) HEAVY DUTY extension cord that my fab geek son made
> for me in 1988.....and it works perfectly, winter and summer. The
> electrician who wired the breaker freaked out and asked me " Does the
> extension cord get hot when you fire?" and I didn't know, at the
> time. I told him I'd never thought to touch it. Which is true. But
> then, of course , I did. It dOES NOT get warm, much less hot. BUT
> the cord to the plug from the NEW ELECTONIC fancy dancy kiln gets
> pretty warm! So? I don't know. Thought this might be of some help
> tho. BTW, my extension cord is about 25 feet long. People, many many
> people, tell me I LOOOSE energy that way....well, I fire to 10 and
> it's no problem. OF course, it IS a gnarly extension cord! I use
> dryer plugs on it.....
> Hope this info helps. You can do about anything, if you're determined
> and don't listen to the nay-sayers.
> BTY again: I just fired some glazes from "mastering ^6" and WOWIE!
> Gives me hope and all sorts of ideas. THANK YOU GUYS! This is SO MUCH
> FUN!
> Karin
> DancingDragonPottery.net
> Nevada City, CA 95959
>
> On Aug 13, 2008, at 6:22 PM, Peggy Thompson wrote:
>
> I am getting my granddaughter a kiln wired, new line, in their garage
> the
> kiln label says 16 amps,[440, I think hubby called up to me ?], SO
> THE 200
> AMP BOX HAS 2 EMPTY SLOTS EACH SIDE AT BOTTOM. I am wondering if
> 220/20amps
> is adequate BREAKER and how far to locate kiln from the box and
> door [this
> is near house to garage door from home ,back from distant overhead
> garage
> doors] should I specify a seperate cut off breaker box next to the
> kiln as
> well as a dedicated breaker in the panel.I am thinking I may need a
> couple seperate 110 lines put in for an eventual wheel and maybe fan.
> What
> about where to locate a co3 /smoke/fire alarm ? This is a typical 20'' x
> 20'' or so double garage in Atlanta area. Does anyone know an
> electrican in
> the 30041 zip,any chance?
> I want to have this done reasonably an also need to know the wire
> size to
> use and type.
> Thanks,
> Meg from Cumming,GA
>
Arnold Howard on thu 14 aug 08
From: "Peggy Thompson"
I am wondering if 220/20amps
> is adequate BREAKER and how far to locate kiln from the
> box and door
-----------
Meg, I assume that your A-66B was made during the 70s. (If
so, it will have a gray switch box.)
A-66B: 15 amps
A-66B extension collar: 6.6 amps
Total: 21.6 amps
(The extension collar fits between the top of the kiln and
lid. I don't know if your kiln has the collar.)
Paragon recommends #10 copper wire, 30 amp breaker, and a
4-wire circuit. It would be nice to keep the kiln within 10
feet of the breaker box.
The circuit must be 4-wire, because the kiln is 120/240
volt, which means it operates on 120 volts on low and medium
and 240 volts on high. Therefore, it requires a grounding
wire and line neutral. The fourth wire is essential.
You can download the instruction manual here:
http://www.paragonweb.com/Instruction_Manuals.cfm
Select "A & B Series Instruction & Service Manual." I will
also be happy to mail you a copy.
Sincerely,
Arnold Howard
Paragon Industries, L.P., Mesquite, Texas USA
ahoward@paragonweb.com / www.paragonweb.com
Hank Taylor on thu 14 aug 08
Peggy,
You need to get an electrician involved NOW . Not after buying any =
parts for you new lines
If your label says it is 16 amps and a 440 volt kiln , you must have a =
three phase kiln.
usually, residential systems are single phase. The paragon people =
can help figure it out.
Just give Mr.Howard a call. 16 amps @ 440v =3D 7040 watts ( some =
labels say 460v
and 480v ). Your kiln would need 32 amps of 220v single phase power.
Your kiln probably came from a commercial setting that had 3 phase =
available. It can
be rewired to single phase MUCH cheaper than to try and get 3 phase. If =
you could get
three phase service at the location, the cost of putting a service set =
up for 3 phase , if it
doesn't exist already, would cost way more than a brand new 220v kiln =
of the same wattage
in most locations. And remember where electricity is in the mix bigger =
is not always better,
use the size breaker that is recommended . The breaker is also there to =
protect the kiln
wiring as much as the service wiring
Hank Taylor
Woodshed Pottery
=20
Peggy Thompson wrote:
>
>> I am getting my granddaughter a kiln wired, new line, in their garage =
the
>> kiln label says 16 amps,[440, I think hubby called up to me ?], SO =
THE
>> 200
>> AMP BOX HAS 2 EMPTY SLOTS EACH SIDE AT BOTTOM. I am wondering if
>> 220/20amps
>> is adequate BREAKER and how far to locate kiln from the box and =
door
>> [this
>> is near house to garage door from home ,back from distant overhead =
garage
>> doors] should I specify a seperate cut off breaker box next to the =
kiln
>> as
>> well as a dedicated breaker in the panel.I am thinking I may need a
>> couple seperate 110 lines put in for an eventual wheel and maybe fan. =
What
>> about where to locate a co3 /smoke/fire alarm ? This is a typical =
20'' x
>> 20'' or so double garage in Atlanta
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