mel jacobson on tue 26 aug 08
hmmm, note this:
professional, trained potter teaching children to throw.
nice.
of course she can get kids to throw on a the wheel.
she understands it. way to go elizabeth.
i can teach almost anyone to throw.
even the blind.
i am talking about general art education
in schools.
elementary teachers, without training.
i thought i said that.
using an arm to center.
if i taught 8 year olds to throw, i suppose
i would have success.
but, in an average school, with an elementary
teacher. hmmm.
miss the point?
my point was wheels in elementary schools.
i bet earl can get kids to throw,.
elementary teacher that is a potter.
nice.
a trained potter/educator is not the same
as `any elementary teacher`.
and, i will stand by my theory...small kids and
hand building...even my own grand kids...make stuff...
imagination....not fine craft.
wait for it..then it sticks for life.
just my opinion.
mel
and bill schran:
can i get some ready made tiles, buy some
crystal glazes from laguna, fire them in a
perfectly controlled, computer kiln and have
them shown in your show? hey, i picked out
the colors.
from minnetonka:
website http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
clayart site:
http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
Weiland, Jeff on tue 26 aug 08
I think that the key to this whole thread is the qualifications and
creative energy of the teacher. I have taught high school now for
eighteen years and K-12 before that. I remember teaching the students a
wide variety of things that most art teachers would not touch until high
school. Techniques like monoprinting, lino printed cards with 5th and
6th graders, simple 1pt perspective, weaving, etc. I really get ill at
all the elementary art that is limited to paper plates, cotton balls,
and wiggly eyes, although the eyes do look cool on aliens made out of
glued-together computer junk. Every school I have worked at has had
money problems. You have to be resourceful. Dumpster dive!!! Free rolls
of paper from a printer, discarded couch foam for sponge material, copy
machine and computer parts, etc. The same hold true for working with
clay. Let them have at it. If it cracks, breaks, slumps, it is a lesson
learned. I have the same approach when teaching my high school students
how to create glaze. Pick a glaze and test. Adjust flux, more opacifier,
less colorant, and mix again. What happened? Quality education is a
careful balancing act between creative freedom and guided technical
instruction. Too much either way and you are wasting time. Most people
hit where they are aiming. Aim high!!!
Jeff Weiland
Greenfield-Central High School
810 North Broadway
Greenfield, Indiana 46140
317-462-9211
jweiland@gcsc.k12.in.us
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of mel
jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:28 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: teaching children the wheel
hmmm, note this:
professional, trained potter teaching children to throw.
nice.
of course she can get kids to throw on a the wheel.
she understands it. way to go elizabeth.
i can teach almost anyone to throw.
even the blind.
i am talking about general art education
in schools.
elementary teachers, without training.
i thought i said that.
using an arm to center.
if i taught 8 year olds to throw, i suppose
i would have success.
but, in an average school, with an elementary
teacher. hmmm.
miss the point?
my point was wheels in elementary schools.
i bet earl can get kids to throw,.
elementary teacher that is a potter.
nice.
a trained potter/educator is not the same
as `any elementary teacher`.
and, i will stand by my theory...small kids and
hand building...even my own grand kids...make stuff...
imagination....not fine craft.
wait for it..then it sticks for life.
just my opinion.
mel
and bill schran:
can i get some ready made tiles, buy some
crystal glazes from laguna, fire them in a
perfectly controlled, computer kiln and have
them shown in your show? hey, i picked out
the colors.
from minnetonka:
website http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
clayart site:
http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
Elizabeth Priddy on tue 26 aug 08
If your point was that elementary schools should allocate=20
their resources more effectively than on wheels for grade=20
school, you might be right.
=A0
But if you were saying, which is the impression I got, that the
reason not to teach it is because they are not ready or able to
learn it at that age, then you would be wrong.
=A0
Whichever is ok with me.=A0 I just want it out there that I have taught
them with a simple video.=A0 And that is indirect learning.=A0 For direct l=
earning,
hundreds of cases tell me they can with age appropriate instruction.
Elizabeth Priddy
Beaufort, NC - USA
Workshops and pottery online at:
http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
Natural Instincts Conference Information:
http://downtothepottershouse.com/NaturalInstincts.html
Kiln pictures and such:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7973282@N03/
--- On Tue, 8/26/08, Weiland, Jeff wrote:
From: Weiland, Jeff
Subject: Re: teaching children the wheel
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 11:21 AM
I think that the key to this whole thread is the qualifications and
creative energy of the teacher. I have taught high school now for
eighteen years and K-12 before that. I remember teaching the students a
wide variety of things that most art teachers would not touch until high
school. Techniques like monoprinting, lino printed cards with 5th and
6th graders, simple 1pt perspective, weaving, etc. I really get ill at
all the elementary art that is limited to paper plates, cotton balls,
and wiggly eyes, although the eyes do look cool on aliens made out of
glued-together computer junk. Every school I have worked at has had
money problems. You have to be resourceful. Dumpster dive!!! Free rolls
of paper from a printer, discarded couch foam for sponge material, copy
machine and computer parts, etc. The same hold true for working with
clay. Let them have at it. If it cracks, breaks, slumps, it is a lesson
learned. I have the same approach when teaching my high school students
how to create glaze. Pick a glaze and test. Adjust flux, more opacifier,
less colorant, and mix again. What happened? Quality education is a
careful balancing act between creative freedom and guided technical
instruction. Too much either way and you are wasting time. Most people
hit where they are aiming. Aim high!!!
Jeff Weiland
Greenfield-Central High School
810 North Broadway
Greenfield, Indiana 46140
317-462-9211
jweiland@gcsc.k12.in.us
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of mel
jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:28 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: teaching children the wheel
hmmm, note this:
professional, trained potter teaching children to throw.
nice.
of course she can get kids to throw on a the wheel.
she understands it. way to go elizabeth.
i can teach almost anyone to throw.
even the blind.
i am talking about general art education
in schools.
elementary teachers, without training.
i thought i said that.
using an arm to center.
if i taught 8 year olds to throw, i suppose
i would have success.
but, in an average school, with an elementary
teacher. hmmm.
miss the point?
my point was wheels in elementary schools.
i bet earl can get kids to throw,.
elementary teacher that is a potter.
nice.
a trained potter/educator is not the same
as `any elementary teacher`.
and, i will stand by my theory...small kids and
hand building...even my own grand kids...make stuff...
imagination....not fine craft.
wait for it..then it sticks for life.
just my opinion.
mel
and bill schran:
can i get some ready made tiles, buy some
crystal glazes from laguna, fire them in a
perfectly controlled, computer kiln and have
them shown in your show? hey, i picked out
the colors.
from minnetonka:
website http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
clayart site:
http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
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