Vince Pitelka on sun 7 sep 08
Ric Swenson wrote:
"So, if I read correctly ......in the right margin....the Picasso quote was
fiction and purportedly made up by anti-communists who wanted to discredit
him....Right? Vince, don't file it away too quickly."
Well, I have to say that I am glad it is a hoax. I couldn't really imagine
Picasso saying such things, and if he had, I suspected it might have been
tongue-in-cheek, his own hoax on the interviewer. He was such a passionate
and committed artist, so it would have been entirely out of character for
him to say such things. I think I will write to someone at the Freer
gallery and see if they know that the quote is a hoax.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
Lee Love on sun 7 sep 08
James, there are many more quotes than two. I am too busy now, but
try different search options. I have come up with a dozen in just 5
minutes of searching.
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 8:04 AM, James F wrote:
>anyone provide any authority or proof source? It seems odd that a "charlatan" or "mountebank" >would publish a Mea Culpa over 20 years before his death and while still actively engaged in his >supposed hoax. If genuine, it is the map to El Dorado!
>
Why not? He knew what his serious work was and what was for the
"cutting edge" critics. It simply supports his genius in the land of
Lilliputians.
--
Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://heartclay.blogspot.com/
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do.
There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
Lee Love on sun 7 sep 08
Okay. Doing your work for you.;^) I just searched (took me 2
minutes)and found 171 entries. Here is the source:
Picasso Confesses
from an article by John Garth,
Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts, in the ARGONAT.
In his book LIBRO NERO=B9, =B2, the Italian author Giovanni Papini gives
this report of an interview he had with the top god of modern art,
Pablo Picasso. Here is what Picasso reportedly thinks of himself:
http://www.peacasso.com/Pablo_Confess.asp
--
Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://heartclay.blogspot.com/
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do.
There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
Gary Wagoner on sun 7 sep 08
If you look at the marginal notations on the web page linked in Lee =20
Love's post, you will see clearly stated that the Picasso "interview" =20=
is a work of fiction-- perhaps even an attempt to discredit the left-=20
leaning artist by our own government.
Gary Wagoner
On Sep 7, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Lee Love wrote:
> Okay. Doing your work for you.;^) I just searched (took me 2
> minutes)and found 171 entries. Here is the source:
>
> Picasso Confesses
> from an article by John Garth,
> Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts, in the ARGONAT.
>
> In his book LIBRO NERO=B9, =B2, the Italian author Giovanni Papini =
gives
> this report of an interview he had with the top god of modern art,
> Pablo Picasso. Here is what Picasso reportedly thinks of himself:
>
> http://www.peacasso.com/Pablo_Confess.asp
>
>
> --
> Lee Love in Minneapolis
> http://heartclay.blogspot.com/
> http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
> http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
>
> "Let the beauty we love be what we do.
> There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
Lee Love on sun 7 sep 08
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Gary Wagoner wrote:
> If you look at the marginal notations on the web page linked in Lee Love's
> post, you will see clearly stated that the Picasso "interview" is a work of
> fiction-- perhaps even an attempt to discredit the left-leaning artist by
> our own government.
> Gary Wagoner
Thanks Gary! Isn't the web wonderful!
--
Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://heartclay.blogspot.com/
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do.
There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
Lee Love on sun 7 sep 08
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Ric Swenson wrote:
> So, if I read correctly ......in the right margin....the Picasso quote was fiction and purportedly >made up by anti-communists who wanted to discredit him....
If you read closely, it is what is reported to the owner of the web
page by a third party. I went to the author's webpage to see the
source and it is all in Italian, so I cannot corroborate it.
How about you doing some research for us Ric?
Hey, we got anybody fluent in Italian here?
--
Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://heartclay.blogspot.com/
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do.
There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
Lee Love on sun 7 sep 08
Here is a google translation of the previous mentioned webpage:
http://tinyurl.com/Giovanni-Papini
Maybe that will give us some leads.
--
Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://heartclay.blogspot.com/
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do.
There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
Lee Love on sun 7 sep 08
Found another lead! This is becoming more interesting all the time!
The english translation is from:
Robertson Davies What's Bred in the Bone
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Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://heartclay.blogspot.com/
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do.
There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
Lee Love on sun 7 sep 08
I think I found some more authoritative sources:
Fake Picasso
"Sir: Robin Simon in his review (Arts, 18 April) repeats Picasso's
supposed description of himself as `only a joker who had understood
his epoch and has extracted all he possibly could from the stupidity,
greed and vanity of his contemporaries'.
The quotation occurs in an 'interview' with an Italian journalist
named Giovanni Papini. It was published in 1951 in a volume of
Papini's collected journalism entitled II Libro Nero: Nuovo Diario di
Gog, a copy of which is in the British Library.
That interview is a notorious fake. According to Pierre Daix, in his
respected 1977 biography of Picasso, the artist knew about II Libro
Nero, but ignored it until 1955, when it was used against him by
Franco's government. Because Picasso was a communist and this was the
height of the Cold War, it was further disseminated by Nato
intelligence.
At this point Picasso asked Daix to expose the whole affair, which
Daix did in a series of articles in Les Lettres franqaises between
1962 and 1965. In the biography Daix described the contents of II
Libro Nero as `imaginary interviews and false confessions'.
Papini was not a fraud, but a journalist who used the literary device
of the pretend interview to write profiles of famous people, including
Kafka, Tolstoy, Freud, Molotov, Hitler, Cervantes, Goethe, William
Blake and Robert Browning. Picasso never met Papini and never said the
words Papini attributed to him."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3724/is_199805/ai_n8802446/pg_2
--
Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://heartclay.blogspot.com/
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do.
There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
Kathy Forer on mon 8 sep 08
On Sep 7, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Lee Love wrote:
> "Sir: Robin Simon in his review (Arts, 18 April) repeats Picasso's
> supposed description of himself as `only a joker who had understood
> his epoch and has extracted all he possibly could from the stupidity,
> greed and vanity of his contemporaries'.
I never met him of course, but the words are unlike anything Picasso
would have said. He was notoriously poorly-spoken. Not inarticulate,
but with a bad command of French and poor vocabulary, also a non-
intellectual's aversion to analysis. He would never have used words
like "epoch, extracted, possibly, contemporaries." Maybe "stupidity,
greed and vanity".... As for "joker," Picasso would have laughed,
hard-pressed to label himself anything, much less joker.
Kathy Forer
Ric Swenson on mon 8 sep 08
as we used to say...."RIGHT ON!" Vince.....
I too could not believe it....and I do not. he would be capable of self derision....but tongue in cheek.
Ric
"...then fiery expedition be my wing, ..." -Wm. Shakespeare, RICHARD III, Act IV Scene III Richard H. ("Ric") Swenson, Teacher, Office of International Cooperation and Exchange of Jingdezhen Ceramic Institute, TaoYang Road, Eastern Suburb, Jingdezhen City.JiangXi Province, P.R. of China. Postal code 333001. Mobile/cellular phone : 86 13767818872 < RicSwenson0823@hotmail.com> http://www.jci.jx.cn/http://www.ricswenson.com
> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:37:04 -0700> From: vpitelka@DTCCOM.NET> Subject: Re: Picasso Quote: was The voice of the Clay Or "Just a tool" - Pat's observation...> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG> > Ric Swenson wrote:> "So, if I read correctly ......in the right margin....the Picasso quote was> fiction and purportedly made up by anti-communists who wanted to discredit> him....Right? Vince, don't file it away too quickly."> > Well, I have to say that I am glad it is a hoax. I couldn't really imagine> Picasso saying such things, and if he had, I suspected it might have been> tongue-in-cheek, his own hoax on the interviewer. He was such a passionate> and committed artist, so it would have been entirely out of character for> him to say such things. I think I will write to someone at the Freer> gallery and see if they know that the quote is a hoax.> - Vince> > Vince Pitelka> Appalachian Center for Craft> Tennessee Tech University> vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
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Ric Swenson on mon 8 sep 08
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