gayle bair on wed 24 sep 08
Funny you mention that Vince.
About 25 years ago I made a logo for a steel pipe and tube company.
It was draw cut and paste when it was mechanical draw, cut with a
blade and rubber cement paste was exactly that...... no computer
involved.
The ability to see a level line has never abandoned me.... just ask my
husband when he's straightening a frame on the wall for me!
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island WA
Tucson AZ
gayle@claybair.com
www.claybair.com
On Sep 24, 2008, at 6:36 PM, Vince Pitelka wrote:
> Warning, curmudgeon alert, warning!
>
> I do not see any reason to use a gauge or template to divide up
> decorations
> on a pottery form. Do you really need to get it that accurate? If
> you
> trust your eyes, you will learn to do decorations that are divided
> very
> accurately, and you will never need a gauge or template. It is easy
> to
> divide a circle into halves and then quarters and then eights, etc.
> It is a
> little more difficult to divide into thirds or sixths but not that
> difficult, and with a little care you can get it very accurate.
> Once you
> learn to do it by eye, it is much faster than using a template or
> gauge.
>
> If you rely on templates to do this you will never learn to do it by
> eye.
> Down with templates. Trust your eyes.
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft
> Tennessee Tech University
> vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
James F on wed 24 sep 08
Clayart Folk...
Clayarter Lou Turner has created a spreadsheet that generates printable tem=
plates with any number of divisions you desire. In addition to the "pie ch=
art" division lines=2C the templates also have concentric circles which all=
ow you to easily mark divisions on any size piece. They also make the temp=
lates useful for laying out spirals and other patterns.
The spreadsheet has tabs along the bottom. The first tab contains the inst=
ructions=2C while the other tabs contain preformatted templates in several =
divisions.
As I seem to have become the repository for electronic clayart tools=2C Lou=
's spreadsheet is available for download on my clayart page at www.jamesfre=
emanstudio.com/clayart. I hope you find it as useful as I do.
All the best.
...James
_________________________________________________________________
See how Windows connects the people=2C information=2C and fun that are part=
of your life.
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Vince Pitelka on wed 24 sep 08
Warning, curmudgeon alert, warning!
I do not see any reason to use a gauge or template to divide up decorations
on a pottery form. Do you really need to get it that accurate? If you
trust your eyes, you will learn to do decorations that are divided very
accurately, and you will never need a gauge or template. It is easy to
divide a circle into halves and then quarters and then eights, etc. It is a
little more difficult to divide into thirds or sixths but not that
difficult, and with a little care you can get it very accurate. Once you
learn to do it by eye, it is much faster than using a template or gauge.
If you rely on templates to do this you will never learn to do it by eye.
Down with templates. Trust your eyes.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
Ivor and Olive Lewis on thu 25 sep 08
Dear Vince Pitelka,
In principle I agree with you. Spatial instincts in humans are
relatively dominant. Gravity, horizons and our larger circular
astronomical objects, especially the behaviour of the Moon, must have
assisted in their development. But as I recall the person who posed
the problem wished for a greater number of segments including some odd
numbers, even prime numbers. In such circumstances small errors
multiply and the differences become prominent distractions.
I have a decorative design that is based on five similar segments. Not
an easy one to attain with an scriber, a straight edge and compass.
But I manage quite well without those aids and knowledge handed down
over the centuries.
But if pressures compress the time available then I think we should
allow a person a little leeway and permit the use of geometric aids.
Just received the recent CM. You student has produced admirable work.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis.
Redhill,
South Australia.
Jennifer Boyer on thu 25 sep 08
Eleanora probably won't answer this, but she does some incredibly
intricate brushwork. When I've tried intricate patterns I have seen
that a small miss step in the layout can ruin the rhythm of the piece.
I see no problem with having another TOOL in the collection of aids to
making a living.
Here's an example of Eleanora's work, which she has been cranking out
in high volume to make a living for many decades:
http://www.eleanoraeden.com/g/fc/fc1047_fruit_medallion_low_bowl.htm
On Sep 24, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Vince Pitelka wrote:
> Warning, curmudgeon alert, warning!
>
> I do not see any reason to use a gauge or template to divide up
> decorations
> on a pottery form. Do you really need to get it that accurate? If
> you
> trust your eyes, you will learn to do decorations that are divided
> very
> accurately, and you will never need a gauge or template. It is easy
> to
> divide a circle into halves and then quarters and then eights, etc.
> It is a
> little more difficult to divide into thirds or sixths but not that
> difficult, and with a little care you can get it very accurate.
> Once you
> learn to do it by eye, it is much faster than using a template or
> gauge.
>
> If you rely on templates to do this you will never learn to do it by
> eye.
> Down with templates. Trust your eyes.
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft
> Tennessee Tech University
> vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
***************************
Jennifer Boyer
Thistle Hill Pottery
Montpelier, VT
http://thistlehillpottery.com
http://jboyerdesign.com
http://artisanshand.com
***************************
Elizabeth Priddy on thu 25 sep 08
I differ with Vince on his opinion here.
=A0
I think that if you get off on that kind of precision and laying in taped l=
ines
or generating mathematically correct spirals or series .....then you should=
do that.
=A0
Doing it "by eye" has advantages only for those that want their work to loo=
k more
natural.=A0 For those who want their work to look more precise, use a ruler=
.
=A0
And if our form is on a circle, use a circular ruler.
=A0
I am a firm advocate of banding, and the enemy of intricate banding is "eye=
balling"
the placement.
=A0
E
=A0
Elizabeth Priddy
Beaufort, NC - USA
Workshops and pottery online at:
http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
Natural Instincts Conference Information:
http://downtothepottershouse.com/NaturalInstincts.html
Kiln pictures and such:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7973282@N03/
=0A=0A=0A
Eleanora Eden on sun 26 oct 08
James,
Oh, thank you. This is EXACTLY what I was hoping for. As it happens, 40,
44, 26 and 28 are circle divisions that I use in my work and are such a hassle
to develop each time. I just downloaded them all. This is really great.
Eleanora
>Clayart Folk...
>
>Clayarter Lou Turner has created a spreadsheet that generates printable templates with any number of divisions you desire. In addition to the "pie chart" division lines, the templates also have concentric circles which allow you to easily mark divisions on any size piece. They also make the templates useful for laying out spirals and other patterns.
>
>The spreadsheet has tabs along the bottom. The first tab contains the instructions, while the other tabs contain preformatted templates in several divisions.
>
>As I seem to have become the repository for electronic clayart tools, Lou's spreadsheet is available for download on my clayart page at www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/clayart. I hope you find it as useful as I do.
>
>All the best.
>
>...James
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life.
>http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/
--
Bellows Falls Vermont
www.eleanoraeden.com
Eleanora Eden on sun 26 oct 08
As it happens, Vince, I have a very good eye. Got great scores on John Post's
eyeballing test recently. And I do trust my eyes, you can just see it from my work.
You may well be talking to the peanut gallery on this one but you sure are off
base trying to lecture me on this particular front.
Eleanora
>Warning, curmudgeon alert, warning!
>
>I do not see any reason to use a gauge or template to divide up decorations
>on a pottery form. Do you really need to get it that accurate? If you
>trust your eyes, you will learn to do decorations that are divided very
>accurately, and you will never need a gauge or template. It is easy to
>divide a circle into halves and then quarters and then eights, etc. It is a
>little more difficult to divide into thirds or sixths but not that
>difficult, and with a little care you can get it very accurate. Once you
>learn to do it by eye, it is much faster than using a template or gauge.
>
>If you rely on templates to do this you will never learn to do it by eye.
>Down with templates. Trust your eyes.
>- Vince
>
>Vince Pitelka
>Appalachian Center for Craft
>Tennessee Tech University
>vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
>http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
--
Bellows Falls Vermont
www.eleanoraeden.com
Eleanora Eden on sun 26 oct 08
Thankyou, Jennifer, for your kind words. You're right, too, it is amazing that
I saw the posts.....my inbox is always about 1000 messages behind.....I don't
know how you all do it.
It is actually the sunflowers, not the fruit stuff, that want the accurately divided
circle. I go to a great effort to get it to have that rhythm. You got it exactly right.
The evenness of the petals and the dots in the center create a mandala that
I respond to very strongly.
Eleanora
>Eleanora probably won't answer this, but she does some incredibly
>intricate brushwork. When I've tried intricate patterns I have seen
>that a small miss step in the layout can ruin the rhythm of the piece.
>I see no problem with having another TOOL in the collection of aids to
>making a living.
>
>Here's an example of Eleanora's work, which she has been cranking out
>in high volume to make a living for many decades:
>
>http://www.eleanoraeden.com/g/fc/fc1047_fruit_medallion_low_bowl.htm
>
>
>On Sep 24, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Vince Pitelka wrote:
>
>>Warning, curmudgeon alert, warning!
>>
>>I do not see any reason to use a gauge or template to divide up
>>decorations
>>on a pottery form. Do you really need to get it that accurate? If
>>you
>>trust your eyes, you will learn to do decorations that are divided
>>very
>>accurately, and you will never need a gauge or template. It is easy
>>to
>>divide a circle into halves and then quarters and then eights, etc.
>>It is a
>>little more difficult to divide into thirds or sixths but not that
>>difficult, and with a little care you can get it very accurate.
>>Once you
>>learn to do it by eye, it is much faster than using a template or
>>gauge.
>>
>>If you rely on templates to do this you will never learn to do it by
>>eye.
>>Down with templates. Trust your eyes.
>>- Vince
>>
>>Vince Pitelka
>>Appalachian Center for Craft
>>Tennessee Tech University
>>vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
>>http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
>
>***************************
>Jennifer Boyer
>Thistle Hill Pottery
>Montpelier, VT
>http://thistlehillpottery.com
>http://jboyerdesign.com
>http://artisanshand.com
>***************************
--
Bellows Falls Vermont
www.eleanoraeden.com
Vince Pitelka on mon 27 oct 08
Eleanor Eden wrote:
"As it happens, Vince, I have a very good eye. Got great scores on John
Post's
eyeballing test recently. And I do trust my eyes, you can just see it from
my work.
You may well be talking to the peanut gallery on this one but you sure are
off
base trying to lecture me on this particular front."
Dear Eleanora,
I am very familiar with your extraordinary work. I remember the first time
I saw a piece of your work - I believe it was in an exhibition at NCECA Las
Vegas.
But Eleanora, why would you think that the post in question was lecturing
you? There was nothing in the post addressed to you. I was expressing my
own opinion for the benefit of the Clayart membership. Lighten up, please.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
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