steve graber on thu 9 oct 08
i was lucky to get a nearly free walker pug mill in 1994.=A0 prior to that =
i never imagined having a pug mill.=A0 since then i don't know what i'd do =
without one.=A0 i used it for 10 years before i heard it was dangerous.=A0 =
i always just figured keep my F%^& hands away from the blades.=A0 no instru=
ctions needed for that!=A0 =0A=0Ayet i gave away my table saw because it ju=
st plain scares me.=A0 =0A=0Asee ya=0A=A0Steve Graber, Graber's Pottery, In=
c=0AClaremont, California USA=0AThe Steve Tool - for awesum texture on pots=
! =0Awww.graberspottery.com steve@graberspottery.com =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Orig=
inal Message ----=0AFrom: mel jacobson =0ATo: CLAYART@LS=
V.CERAMICS.ORG=0ASent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 4:30:16 PM=0ASubject: meat=
grinders for clay=0A=0Ai was lucky enough to see and use the first=0Awalke=
r pug mill, that was designed from a=0Asausage making machine.=0A=0Ait was =
at the university of minneosta. 1950's.=0Aall cobbled together.=0Astrange b=
east.=0Aand rust and spotting was one of the factors=0Ain re/design.=0A=0At=
he walker with the big hopper is still the best=0Aof all worlds.=A0 of cour=
se dangerous in the hands of=0Aa fool.=0A=0Athe walker was a clay mixer and=
a pug mill mixed.=0Ai still have mine after years....never put may hands=
=0Abelow the hopper.=A0 i have a large wooden handled=0Ascraper that i use =
to pry out clay if i fill it too much.=0Aof course, turn it off when doing =
any strange fixing.=0Aand unplug it.=0A=0Aa fine fellow at a near by clay c=
ompany got his arm ripped off=0Aby a walker.=A0 his own fault..he knew it t=
he minute it happened.=0Aand he killed himself two years later.=A0 sad.=A0 =
accident.=0A=0Aas i have said many times...tools are dangerous.=A0 and with=
=0Aa fool at the helm...really bad.=0Ayou must think like a pilot...`it can=
always go wrong`...prepare=0Afor it.=0Achain saws, table saws, routers..ki=
lns and..cars.=0Aall can kill you.=0Amel=0A=0Afrom minnetonka:=0Awebsite ht=
tp://www.visi.com/~melpots/=0Aclayart site:=0Ahttp://www.visi.com/~melpots/=
clayart.html=0A=0A=0A=0A
mel jacobson on thu 9 oct 08
i was lucky enough to see and use the first
walker pug mill, that was designed from a
sausage making machine.
it was at the university of minneosta. 1950's.
all cobbled together.
strange beast.
and rust and spotting was one of the factors
in re/design.
the walker with the big hopper is still the best
of all worlds. of course dangerous in the hands of
a fool.
the walker was a clay mixer and a pug mill mixed.
i still have mine after years....never put may hands
below the hopper. i have a large wooden handled
scraper that i use to pry out clay if i fill it too much.
of course, turn it off when doing any strange fixing.
and unplug it.
a fine fellow at a near by clay company got his arm ripped off
by a walker. his own fault..he knew it the minute it happened.
and he killed himself two years later. sad. accident.
as i have said many times...tools are dangerous. and with
a fool at the helm...really bad.
you must think like a pilot...`it can always go wrong`...prepare
for it.
chain saws, table saws, routers..kilns and..cars.
all can kill you.
mel
from minnetonka:
website http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
clayart site:
http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
Shula on fri 10 oct 08
I don't know whether it is still true, but in the 80's when I visited Japan frequently, the police were very strict about drunken driving as well. Road blocks were frequently set up (at least in Tokyo) where drivers would be tested for alcohol on their breath. And the consequences for a drunk driver were severe - or at least that's what I was told.
Shula
very windy Desert Hot Springs, California USA
-----Original Message-----
>From: Lee Love
>Sent: Oct 10, 2008 6:38 AM
>
>The tool that most often kills us is the automobile. I once thought
>stiffer testing for a license might winnow out idiots, but it is
>harder to get a license in Japan and they seem to be worse drivers
>than folks back home. (divider lines on roads only seem like serving
>suggestions there.)
>
>
Lee Love on fri 10 oct 08
The tool that most often kills us is the automobile. I once thought
stiffer testing for a license might winnow out idiots, but it is
harder to get a license in Japan and they seem to be worse drivers
than folks back home. (divider lines on roads only seem like serving
suggestions there.)
--
Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://heartclay.blogspot.com/
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
http://claycraft.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do.
There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
Doric T. Jemison-Ball ll on fri 10 oct 08
Steve:
I used a "dangerous" WALKER pug mill in the 60's as a student. I'm in total
agreement with your view-it is POTENTIALLY dangerous if you're stupid,
reckless or fatally accident prone. But then so is a garbage disposal if you
put your hand in it while it is running to retieve the spoon you dropped
down it.
I have a PETER PUGGER now that is way safer, but not as effective as those
old ugly Walkers.
P.S. Table saws scare me too. So do power lawn mowers, winches and a whole
lot of other things that can slice and dice you if you aren't careful. But
then, I'm afraid of heights too.
Doric T. Jemison-Ball ll
BBS-LA
P.O. Box 1647
Gualala, CA 95445
707-884-5067 Voice
707-884-4449 FAX
818-606-6678 CELL
buffalo@bbs-la.com
Self-discipline is not adequate to protect capitalism from its own excesses.
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve graber"
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: meat grinders for clay
i was lucky to get a nearly free walker pug mill in 1994. prior to that i
never imagined having a pug mill. since then i don't know what i'd do
without one. i used it for 10 years before i heard it was dangerous. i
always just figured keep my F%^& hands away from the blades. no instructions
needed for that!
yet i gave away my table saw because it just plain scares me.
see ya
Steve Graber, Graber's Pottery, Inc
Claremont, California USA
The Steve Tool - for awesum texture on pots!
www.graberspottery.com steve@graberspottery.com
----- Original Message ----
From: mel jacobson
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 4:30:16 PM
Subject: meat grinders for clay
i was lucky enough to see and use the first
walker pug mill, that was designed from a
sausage making machine.
it was at the university of minneosta. 1950's.
all cobbled together.
strange beast.
and rust and spotting was one of the factors
in re/design.
the walker with the big hopper is still the best
of all worlds. of course dangerous in the hands of
a fool.
the walker was a clay mixer and a pug mill mixed.
i still have mine after years....never put may hands
below the hopper. i have a large wooden handled
scraper that i use to pry out clay if i fill it too much.
of course, turn it off when doing any strange fixing.
and unplug it.
a fine fellow at a near by clay company got his arm ripped off
by a walker. his own fault..he knew it the minute it happened.
and he killed himself two years later. sad. accident.
as i have said many times...tools are dangerous. and with
a fool at the helm...really bad.
you must think like a pilot...`it can always go wrong`...prepare
for it.
chain saws, table saws, routers..kilns and..cars.
all can kill you.
mel
from minnetonka:
website http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
clayart site:
http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
Sherron & Jim Bowen on fri 10 oct 08
"So do power lawn mowers"
A very good friend was killed by a reel type lawnmower last year.
Table saws have claimed many a finger and hand out here, too.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doric T. Jemison-Ball ll"
To:
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: meat grinders for clay
> Steve:
>
> I used a "dangerous" WALKER pug mill in the 60's as a student. I'm in
> total
> agreement with your view-it is POTENTIALLY dangerous if you're stupid,
> reckless or fatally accident prone. But then so is a garbage disposal if
> you
> put your hand in it while it is running to retieve the spoon you dropped
> down it.
>
> I have a PETER PUGGER now that is way safer, but not as effective as those
> old ugly Walkers.
>
> P.S. Table saws scare me too. So do power lawn mowers, winches and a whole
> lot of other things that can slice and dice you if you aren't careful. But
> then, I'm afraid of heights too.
>
> Doric T. Jemison-Ball ll
> BBS-LA
> P.O. Box 1647
> Gualala, CA 95445
>
> 707-884-5067 Voice
> 707-884-4449 FAX
> 818-606-6678 CELL
> buffalo@bbs-la.com
>
> Self-discipline is not adequate to protect capitalism from its own
> excesses.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "steve graber"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:00 PM
> Subject: Re: meat grinders for clay
>
>
> i was lucky to get a nearly free walker pug mill in 1994. prior to that i
> never imagined having a pug mill. since then i don't know what i'd do
> without one. i used it for 10 years before i heard it was dangerous. i
> always just figured keep my F%^& hands away from the blades. no
> instructions
> needed for that!
>
> yet i gave away my table saw because it just plain scares me.
>
> see ya
> Steve Graber, Graber's Pottery, Inc
> Claremont, California USA
> The Steve Tool - for awesum texture on pots!
> www.graberspottery.com steve@graberspottery.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: mel jacobson
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 4:30:16 PM
> Subject: meat grinders for clay
>
> i was lucky enough to see and use the first
> walker pug mill, that was designed from a
> sausage making machine.
>
> it was at the university of minneosta. 1950's.
> all cobbled together.
> strange beast.
> and rust and spotting was one of the factors
> in re/design.
>
> the walker with the big hopper is still the best
> of all worlds. of course dangerous in the hands of
> a fool.
>
> the walker was a clay mixer and a pug mill mixed.
> i still have mine after years....never put may hands
> below the hopper. i have a large wooden handled
> scraper that i use to pry out clay if i fill it too much.
> of course, turn it off when doing any strange fixing.
> and unplug it.
>
> a fine fellow at a near by clay company got his arm ripped off
> by a walker. his own fault..he knew it the minute it happened.
> and he killed himself two years later. sad. accident.
>
> as i have said many times...tools are dangerous. and with
> a fool at the helm...really bad.
> you must think like a pilot...`it can always go wrong`...prepare
> for it.
> chain saws, table saws, routers..kilns and..cars.
> all can kill you.
> mel
>
> from minnetonka:
> website http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
> clayart site:
> http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
>
>
Square Peg Arts on fri 10 oct 08
From: "Sherron & Jim Bowen"
Subject: Re: meat grinders for clay
> Table saws have claimed many a finger and hand out here, too.
> Jim
I've been watching the thread.
My husband and I are building our house, and typically I am the "tool"
person and he is the accountant. I have an impressive array of power tools
for a middle-aged woman, but after putting up the chimney pipe last week,
realized that I needed a new chainsaw if I want to have big crackling fires
in my new fireplace, so off DH and I went to find me my one.
Everyone around here told us to head up the mountain to Terry's Golden
Chainsaw (and chainsaw carvings), so away we went.
Talk about a scene out of a movie!
We opened the door and went in (I swear I heard banjo music playing
somewhere) and were greeted by Terry, or as I am now referring to him, Mr
Stumpy.
Lemme tell you, a grizzled ol' 49er type with not a single digit on either
hand does NOT inspire confidence.
He had a total of 3 saws - not a one under $400, so we went back down the
mountain to our local lumberyard and I am now the proud owner of an 18"
chainsaw. This is my 3rd one and I have a healthy respect for them and very
strict rules about using it (never without boots, gloves and eyewear, never
without someone lese there, and always with my cellphone charged and within
reach) and I'm ready to fell a few trees!
----- Original Message -----
Cathi Newlin, Angels Camp, Ca
www.SquarePegArts.com
yes, that's a straw in my beer.
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