Michael Wendt on wed 7 jul 99
James,
Why not have him order the body from
me directly since I mine, mill and mix
Helmer here at the source.
Cost:
38 LB box
$9.50
shipping
$9.30
total
$18.80
He can order just what he needs at the
time he needs it
Ships anywhere in the 48 states, Alaska
or Hawaii for this cost.
The cheapest quote we could get to send
a ton of Helmer to Alfred was $700.
We can mail it for $500 one box at a time.
No old clay. No storage. No money tied
up. Just fresh clay when you need it.
Regards,
Michael Wendt
Wendt Pottery
2729 Clearwater Ave.
Lewiston, Id 83501
U.S.A.
208-746-3724
wendtpot@lewiston.com
http://www.wendtpottery.com
http://UniquePorcelainDesigns.com
James wrote:
Hi, all...
A young wood-fire potter friend of mine is currently in
grad school. His clay body requires a large proportion
of Helmer Kaolin (most of the balance being Custer Spar
and silica). His new school does not stock Helmer, and
he cannot afford to order any. Any ideas on possible
poor-boy substitution? We are thinking #6 Tile Clay
plus a bit of Red Art and a touch of titanium dioxide
or rutile. Chemically, this seems like it would get
close, but not sure about working properties (his work
is probably 98% wheel-thrown).
Any thoughts?
All the best.
...James
Michael Wendt on wed 7 jul 99
Helmer Kaolin (not Helmar... never was Helmar)
I named it that because it is mined at Helmer,Idaho.
Not just for wood fire anymore...
Helmer is a huge deposit. Bore holed on 50 foot
centers, it has known reserves at the surface of
1.6 million tons. Additional layers go down many
feet. Some of that clay is even better than the top
layer but the cost of extraction is too high for this
sales volume. We mine 500 tons per year.
At that rate, the supply will last 3200 years.
Even if demand grew ten fold, we would still
be able to supply the identical clay composition
for 320 years... longer than most of us will live.
The decline in availability is a consequence of
high shipping rates so we have now offered
to ship small quantities via US Mail for the flat
rate price of $18.80 per box anywhere in the 48
States, Alaska and Hawaii. That's the clay AND
the shipping.
It saves huge amounts of space, avoids the drying
out issue and ties up no extra money.
Try it, you will like it.
Regards,
Michael Wendt
Wendt Pottery
2729 Clearwater Ave.
Lewiston, Id 83501
U.S.A.
208-746-3724
wendtpot@lewiston.com
http://www.wendtpottery.com
http://UniquePorcelainDesigns.com
Caleb wrote:
Helmar kaolin is unique for its impurities. It has
also seen a surge of popularity among potters in the
last ten years while at the same time the supply has
noticeably diminished. My substitute for Helmar was a
mix of EPK, Redart, Hawthorne firclay and a smidge of
titanium (not too much or all your pots come out
grey-blue). Unfortunately, much like albany slip,
there are many substitutions, but none are the real
thing.
Caleb
Michael Wendt on thu 8 jul 99
Caleb,
I meant no chastisement. I am trying to clear
up the spelling and pronunciation error that has
crept in that confuses people and makes Helmer
harder to find on the web. What a struggle.
If you come here, it is $4.75 per pug (19 LBS).
Dry Helmer is $6.50 per 50 LB bag.
Regards,
Michael Wendt
Wendt Pottery
2729 Clearwater Ave.
Lewiston, Id 83501
U.S.A.
208-746-3724
wendtpot@lewiston.com
http://www.wendtpottery.com
http://UniquePorcelainDesigns.com
Caleb wrote:
Tee hee. Most educational. I apologize for my
misspelling and general ignorance.
Just out of curiosity, what would it cost to by a
couple hundred pounds if I was passing by the mine and
could drive it home myself?
Thanks,
Caleb
Lee Love on fri 10 oct 08
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Caleb smith wrote:
> Tee hee. Most educational. I apologize for my misspelling and general ignorance.
>
> Just out of curiosity, what would it cost to by a couple hundred pounds if I was passing by the mine and could drive it home myself?
38 X 6 = 228.
6 boxes is rounding up: 6 X 18.80 = $112.8
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James F on fri 10 oct 08
Hi=2C all...
A young wood-fire potter friend of mine is currently in grad school. His c=
lay body requires a large proportion of Helmer Kaolin (most of the balance =
being Custer Spar and silica). His new school does not stock Helmer=2C and=
he cannot afford to order any. Any ideas on possible poor-boy substitutio=
n? We are thinking #6 Tile Clay plus a bit of Red Art and a touch of titan=
ium dioxide or rutile. Chemically=2C this seems like it would get close=2C=
but not sure about working properties (his work is probably 98% wheel-thro=
wn).
Any thoughts?
All the best.
...James
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Caleb smith on fri 10 oct 08
Helmar kaolin is unique for its impurities. It has also seen a surge of po=
pularity among potters in the last ten years while at the same time the sup=
ply has noticeably diminished. My substitute for Helmar was a mix of EPK=
=2C Redart=2C Hawthorne firclay and a smidge of titanium (not too much or a=
ll your pots come out grey-blue). Unfortunately=2C much like albany slip=
=2C there are many substitutions=2C but none are the real thing.
Caleb
> Date: Fri=2C 10 Oct 2008 11:42:03 +0000
> From: jsfreeman@HOTMAIL.COM
> Subject: Helmer Kaolin Substitution?
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>=20
> Hi=2C all...
>=20
> A young wood-fire potter friend of mine is currently in grad school. His=
clay body requires a large proportion of Helmer Kaolin (most of the balanc=
e being Custer Spar and silica). His new school does not stock Helmer=2C a=
nd he cannot afford to order any. Any ideas on possible poor-boy substitut=
ion? We are thinking #6 Tile Clay plus a bit of Red Art and a touch of tit=
anium dioxide or rutile. Chemically=2C this seems like it would get close=
=2C but not sure about working properties (his work is probably 98% wheel-t=
hrown).
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> Any thoughts?
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> All the best.
>=20
> ...James
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Caleb smith on fri 10 oct 08
Tee hee. Most educational. I apologize for my misspelling and general ign=
orance.
Just out of curiosity=2C what would it cost to by a couple hundred pounds i=
f I was passing by the mine and could drive it home myself?
Thanks=2C
Caleb
> Date: Wed=2C 7 Jul 1999 05:06:56 -0700
> From: wendtpot@LEWISTON.COM
> Subject: Re: Helmer Kaolin Substitution?
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>=20
> Helmer Kaolin (not Helmar... never was Helmar)
> I named it that because it is mined at Helmer=2CIdaho.
> Not just for wood fire anymore...
> Helmer is a huge deposit. Bore holed on 50 foot
> centers=2C it has known reserves at the surface of
> 1.6 million tons. Additional layers go down many
> feet. Some of that clay is even better than the top
> layer but the cost of extraction is too high for this
> sales volume. We mine 500 tons per year.
> At that rate=2C the supply will last 3200 years.
> Even if demand grew ten fold=2C we would still
> be able to supply the identical clay composition
> for 320 years... longer than most of us will live.
> The decline in availability is a consequence of
> high shipping rates so we have now offered
> to ship small quantities via US Mail for the flat
> rate price of $18.80 per box anywhere in the 48
> States=2C Alaska and Hawaii. That's the clay AND
> the shipping.
> It saves huge amounts of space=2C avoids the drying
> out issue and ties up no extra money.
> Try it=2C you will like it.
> Regards=2C
> Michael Wendt
> Wendt Pottery
> 2729 Clearwater Ave.
> Lewiston=2C Id 83501
> U.S.A.
> 208-746-3724
> wendtpot@lewiston.com
> http://www.wendtpottery.com
> http://UniquePorcelainDesigns.com
> Caleb wrote:
> Helmar kaolin is unique for its impurities. It has
> also seen a surge of popularity among potters in the
> last ten years while at the same time the supply has
> noticeably diminished. My substitute for Helmar was a
> mix of EPK=2C Redart=2C Hawthorne firclay and a smidge of
> titanium (not too much or all your pots come out
> grey-blue). Unfortunately=2C much like albany slip=2C
> there are many substitutions=2C but none are the real
> thing.
> Caleb
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Vince Pitelka on fri 10 oct 08
James Freeman wrote
"A young wood-fire potter friend of mine is currently in grad school. His
clay body requires a large proportion of Helmer Kaolin (most of the balance
being Custer Spar and silica). His new school does not stock Helmer, and he
cannot afford to order any. Any ideas on possible poor-boy substitution?
We are thinking #6 Tile Clay plus a bit of Red Art and a touch of titanium
dioxide or rutile. Chemically, this seems like it would get close, but not
sure about working properties (his work is probably 98% wheel-thrown)."
James -
Tile-6 doesn't flash very well in salt, soda, and wood. It is quite
plastic, and in the name of particle size distribution I like to include
some in porcelaineous bodies, but I always include a good fraction of EPK or
Grolleg for the flashing. In this case, the Grolleg might be prohibitively
expensive, but Tile-6 and EPK are both very reasonable. I'd make the clay
component of the body 50-50 Tile-6 and EPK.
When I am typing fast I often make mistakes, as you all know very well. I
have been trying to remember to quickly proof my posts. I read this one
over and I had written "Tile-6 doesn't flash very well in salt, soda, and
food." I guess you know what I was thinking about.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
Mayssan Farra on sat 11 oct 08
Hello Michael:=0ASo is it your computer that is seeing this as 1999 all ove=
r again :)=0A=A0=0AMayssan Shora Farra=0Ahttp://www.clayvillepottery.com=0A=
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1999 4:49:38 AM]]=0A=0ASubject: Re: Helmer Kaolin Substitution?=0A=0A=0A =
Ron Roy on sun 19 oct 08
Hi James - I have an experiment for flashing slip coming out of a wood
firing tomorrow - I'll let you know if it worked.
RR
>Hi, all...
>
>A young wood-fire potter friend of mine is currently in grad school. His
>clay body requires a large proportion of Helmer Kaolin (most of the
>balance being Custer Spar and silica). His new school does not stock
>Helmer, and he cannot afford to order any. Any ideas on possible poor-boy
>substitution? We are thinking #6 Tile Clay plus a bit of Red Art and a
>touch of titanium dioxide or rutile. Chemically, this seems like it would
>get close, but not sure about working properties (his work is probably 98%
>wheel-thrown).
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>All the best.
>
>...James
Ron Roy
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1H0
Lee Love on sun 19 oct 08
Helmer substitutes for Avery. Do they have old Avery in the chemical room?
Check out John Britt's glaze book. It has several flashing slip recipes.
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"Let the beauty we love be what we do.
There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." --Rumi
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